Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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I will answer it
Yes I have seen it.
1. It proved my guilt
2. It showed me Christ
3. It showed me how desperate my situation was
4. It showed me how far away from God I was
5. It showed me how hopeless I was
6. And it showed me I better stop trying, because I can’t live up. And how I needed christ, who is a far better and living way.
Yes I have seen it.
1. It proved my guilt
2. It showed me Christ
3. It showed me how desperate my situation was
4. It showed me how far away from God I was
5. It showed me how hopeless I was
6. And it showed me I better stop trying, because I can’t live up. And how I needed christ, who is a far better and living way.
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in Matthew 28 He says 'teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you'
to say what you have said, you have to make the leap there that this means Torah, tho it's not specified - and as you pointed to Galatians, you must realize that in the epistles this is not the interpretation and conclusion the apostles drew, but do you infer a difference between how a gentile is saved and how a Jew is saved?
it's worth repeating:
in my understanding the thread title / OP question is a settled one.
yes, look at Hebrews 8:13. God expects us to meditate on His words and put two & two together, just as the author of Hebrews has - i mentioned to someone earlier, tho there's no controversy over whether blood sacrifices must still be made, Christ never explicitly said so; but we all are able to apply our brains to the NT and come away with that conclusion.
altho.. as soon as i say that, watch someone join the forum preaching a return to the daily sacrifices lol -- preaching that we must keep "all the commandments" and being sincere this time, not picking and choosing from them, thinking to teach us all to offer goats and bulls to Jesus. then that person will ask for donations towards rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem...
@NayborBear such a person would def. deserve the 'Hebrew roots' classification
to say what you have said, you have to make the leap there that this means Torah, tho it's not specified - and as you pointed to Galatians, you must realize that in the epistles this is not the interpretation and conclusion the apostles drew, but do you infer a difference between how a gentile is saved and how a Jew is saved?
it's worth repeating:
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another:
just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
(John 13:34)
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying,
"This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you."
(Luke 22:20)
In saying, "new," He has made obsolete the first;
and that which is growing old and aging is near vanishing.
(Hebrews 8:13)
in my understanding the thread title / OP question is a settled one.
yes, look at Hebrews 8:13. God expects us to meditate on His words and put two & two together, just as the author of Hebrews has - i mentioned to someone earlier, tho there's no controversy over whether blood sacrifices must still be made, Christ never explicitly said so; but we all are able to apply our brains to the NT and come away with that conclusion.
altho.. as soon as i say that, watch someone join the forum preaching a return to the daily sacrifices lol -- preaching that we must keep "all the commandments" and being sincere this time, not picking and choosing from them, thinking to teach us all to offer goats and bulls to Jesus. then that person will ask for donations towards rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem...
@NayborBear such a person would def. deserve the 'Hebrew roots' classification
So, Jesus had no more right, in showing "love" for the Lord His GOD, in the making of a whip, and clearing out "those" in the (then) "Temple of God", who were (obviously) involved in money making schemes, therefore "proclaiming themselves AS God"; Then, we as Christians today, show our "love" FOR/TO the Lord our God, to our "neighbors", by allowing them in "stablishing their law", much for, and increasingly TO, Christianity's demise?!
Which causes me to consider 2 things! (Perhaps, PH, you could help me "untangle" my explanations?)
1) WOW! We as Christians today, must REALLY, I mean REALLY "HATE" ourselves, by allowing our neighbors, to whom we are to love as ourselves, carry on in this fashion.
Would it not be to a more expedient "stabishing OF the law", and, Loving the Lord our God, with ALL our strength, in sending our neighbors TO God? IOW?
Can we no longer HOLD our neighbors to accountability, as we "presumably" hold OURSELVES to this SAME accountability? WE MUST REALLY HATE OURSELVES, when we are no longer able to show "Tough LOVE" to our "neighbors!", To me, anyway. This shows that "our neighbors" want Christendom to prove "Unconditional Love" to THEM, and follow them as they keep going deeper into "the pit", that Has NO bottom!
It's GOT to STOP! Unconditional love, has run amuck! Our "neighbors" are taking all the "fruit of the Spirit", as it can get, with it! Sounds like a "plague" of "locusts", at best. More like though, in these end times, the "locust army!" Tree of knowledge, of good and evil? Nebacanezzers dream, of the "statue" with "feet of clay?" (man is "made of clay", are we not?) The "number of a "man!" As it states in Revelation.
And?
2) Apostasy! Via traditions of man, has given cause in its own perpetuations, in "throwing the Father out, after the cleansing blood of the Lamb!" In essence, and much more so in practice, in REPLACING the Father WITH the Son! Showing just how true the words Jude stated in His book.
Jude
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Are we so blind that we cannot see the comparison of the "beast which ascendeth out of the bottomless pit", that hods us in the same EXACT bondage, the children of Israel were under in Egypt?
It is my belief, that there are other people, who see this as I do. And, striving, oh so strenuously striving, in "spiritually sacrificing" in their seeking out OF/FOR the Father! Because, they/I are not seeing the Father IN "the Jesus" that is taught in today's Christendom. Because? After 2,000 YEARS?
The law? Is STILL not "stablished!"
So, are we really loving the Lord our God, with all our "strength?" Or, are we going to allow this locust army in its relentlessly "stripping away" all the "fruit of the Spirit?" So that the "law" may never be stablished?
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Alrighty? Fair enough PH. Fair enough. Jesus "supersedes" the "blood sacrifices" given as "sin offerings" unto God. Just as He, Jesus, "supersedes" any and all of the feasts and celebrations God
Which causes me to consider 2 things! (Perhaps, PH, you could help me "untangle" my explanations?)
1) WOW! We as Christians today, must REALLY, I mean REALLY "HATE" ourselves, by allowing our neighbors, to whom we are to love as ourselves, carry on in this fashion.
Would it not be to a more expedient "stabishing OF the law", and, Loving the Lord our God, with ALL our strength, in sending our neighbors TO God? IOW?
Can we no longer HOLD our neighbors to accountability, as we "presumably" hold OURSELVES to this SAME accountability? WE MUST REALLY HATE OURSELVES, when we are no longer able to show "Tough LOVE" to our "neighbors!", To me, anyway. This shows that "our neighbors" want Christendom to prove "Unconditional Love" to THEM, and follow them as they keep going deeper into "the pit", that Has NO bottom!
It's GOT to STOP! Unconditional love, has run amuck! Our "neighbors" are taking all the "fruit of the Spirit", as it can get, with it! Sounds like a "plague" of "locusts", at best. More like though, in these end times, the "locust army!" Tree of knowledge, of good and evil? Nebacanezzers dream, of the "statue" with "feet of clay?" (man is "made of clay", are we not?) The "number of a "man!" As it states in Revelation.
2) Apostasy! Via traditions of man, has given cause in its own perpetuations, in "throwing the Father out, after the cleansing blood of the Lamb!" In essence, and much more so in practice, in REPLACING the Father WITH the Son! Showing just how true the words Jude stated in His book.
It is my belief, that there are other people, who see this as I do. And, striving, oh so strenuously striving, in "spiritually sacrificing" in their seeking out OF/FOR the Father! Because, they/I are not seeing the Father IN "the Jesus" that is taught in today's Christendom. Because? After 2,000 YEARS?
The law? Is STILL not "stablished!"
So, are we really loving the Lord our God, with all our "strength?" Or, are we going to allow this locust army in its relentlessly "stripping away" all the "fruit of the Spirit?" So that the "law" may never be stablished?
Which causes me to consider 2 things! (Perhaps, PH, you could help me "untangle" my explanations?)
1) WOW! We as Christians today, must REALLY, I mean REALLY "HATE" ourselves, by allowing our neighbors, to whom we are to love as ourselves, carry on in this fashion.
Would it not be to a more expedient "stabishing OF the law", and, Loving the Lord our God, with ALL our strength, in sending our neighbors TO God? IOW?
Can we no longer HOLD our neighbors to accountability, as we "presumably" hold OURSELVES to this SAME accountability? WE MUST REALLY HATE OURSELVES, when we are no longer able to show "Tough LOVE" to our "neighbors!", To me, anyway. This shows that "our neighbors" want Christendom to prove "Unconditional Love" to THEM, and follow them as they keep going deeper into "the pit", that Has NO bottom!
It's GOT to STOP! Unconditional love, has run amuck! Our "neighbors" are taking all the "fruit of the Spirit", as it can get, with it! Sounds like a "plague" of "locusts", at best. More like though, in these end times, the "locust army!" Tree of knowledge, of good and evil? Nebacanezzers dream, of the "statue" with "feet of clay?" (man is "made of clay", are we not?) The "number of a "man!" As it states in Revelation.
2) Apostasy! Via traditions of man, has given cause in its own perpetuations, in "throwing the Father out, after the cleansing blood of the Lamb!" In essence, and much more so in practice, in REPLACING the Father WITH the Son! Showing just how true the words Jude stated in His book.
It is my belief, that there are other people, who see this as I do. And, striving, oh so strenuously striving, in "spiritually sacrificing" in their seeking out OF/FOR the Father! Because, they/I are not seeing the Father IN "the Jesus" that is taught in today's Christendom. Because? After 2,000 YEARS?
The law? Is STILL not "stablished!"
So, are we really loving the Lord our God, with all our "strength?" Or, are we going to allow this locust army in its relentlessly "stripping away" all the "fruit of the Spirit?" So that the "law" may never be stablished?
Alrighty? Fair enough PH. Fair enough. Jesus "supersedes" the "blood sacrifices" given as "sin offerings" unto God. Just as He, Jesus, "supersedes" any and all of the feasts and celebrations God commanded. Right?
So, Jesus had no more right, in showing "love" for the Lord His GOD, in the making of a whip, and clearing out "those" in the (then) "Temple of God", who were (obviously) involved in money making schemes, therefore "proclaiming themselves AS God"; Then, we as Christians today, show our "love" FOR/TO the Lord our God, to our "neighbors", by allowing them in "stablishing their law", much for, and increasingly TO, Christianity's demise?!
Which causes me to consider 2 things! (Perhaps, PH, you could help me "untangle" my explanations?)
1) WOW! We as Christians today, must REALLY, I mean REALLY "HATE" ourselves, by allowing our neighbors, to whom we are to love as ourselves, carry on in this fashion.
Would it not be to a more expedient "stabishing OF the law", and, Loving the Lord our God, with ALL our strength, in sending our neighbors TO God? IOW?
Can we no longer HOLD our neighbors to accountability, as we "presumably" hold OURSELVES to this SAME accountability? WE MUST REALLY HATE OURSELVES, when we are no longer able to show "Tough LOVE" to our "neighbors!", To me, anyway. This shows that "our neighbors" want Christendom to prove "Unconditional Love" to THEM, and follow them as they keep going deeper into "the pit", that Has NO bottom!
It's GOT to STOP! Unconditional love, has run amuck! Our "neighbors" are taking all the "fruit of the Spirit", as it can get, with it! Sounds like a "plague" of "locusts", at best. More like though, in these end times, the "locust army!" Tree of knowledge, of good and evil? Nebacanezzers dream, of the "statue" with "feet of clay?" (man is "made of clay", are we not?) The "number of a "man!" As it states in Revelation.
And?
2) Apostasy! Via traditions of man, has given cause in its own perpetuations, in "throwing the Father out, after the cleansing blood of the Lamb!" In essence, and much more so in practice, in REPLACING the Father WITH the Son! Showing just how true the words Jude stated in His book.
Jude
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Are we so blind that we cannot see the comparison of the "beast which ascendeth out of the bottomless pit", that hods us in the same EXACT bondage, the children of Israel were under in Egypt?
It is my belief, that there are other people, who see this as I do. And, striving, oh so strenuously striving, in "spiritually sacrificing" in their seeking out OF/FOR the Father! Because, they/I are not seeing the Father IN "the Jesus" that is taught in today's Christendom. Because? After 2,000 YEARS?
The law? Is STILL not "stablished!"
So, are we really loving the Lord our God, with all our "strength?" Or, are we going to allow this locust army in its relentlessly "stripping away" all the "fruit of the Spirit?" So that the "law" may never be stablished?
So, Jesus had no more right, in showing "love" for the Lord His GOD, in the making of a whip, and clearing out "those" in the (then) "Temple of God", who were (obviously) involved in money making schemes, therefore "proclaiming themselves AS God"; Then, we as Christians today, show our "love" FOR/TO the Lord our God, to our "neighbors", by allowing them in "stablishing their law", much for, and increasingly TO, Christianity's demise?!
Which causes me to consider 2 things! (Perhaps, PH, you could help me "untangle" my explanations?)
1) WOW! We as Christians today, must REALLY, I mean REALLY "HATE" ourselves, by allowing our neighbors, to whom we are to love as ourselves, carry on in this fashion.
Would it not be to a more expedient "stabishing OF the law", and, Loving the Lord our God, with ALL our strength, in sending our neighbors TO God? IOW?
Can we no longer HOLD our neighbors to accountability, as we "presumably" hold OURSELVES to this SAME accountability? WE MUST REALLY HATE OURSELVES, when we are no longer able to show "Tough LOVE" to our "neighbors!", To me, anyway. This shows that "our neighbors" want Christendom to prove "Unconditional Love" to THEM, and follow them as they keep going deeper into "the pit", that Has NO bottom!
It's GOT to STOP! Unconditional love, has run amuck! Our "neighbors" are taking all the "fruit of the Spirit", as it can get, with it! Sounds like a "plague" of "locusts", at best. More like though, in these end times, the "locust army!" Tree of knowledge, of good and evil? Nebacanezzers dream, of the "statue" with "feet of clay?" (man is "made of clay", are we not?) The "number of a "man!" As it states in Revelation.
And?
2) Apostasy! Via traditions of man, has given cause in its own perpetuations, in "throwing the Father out, after the cleansing blood of the Lamb!" In essence, and much more so in practice, in REPLACING the Father WITH the Son! Showing just how true the words Jude stated in His book.
Jude
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Are we so blind that we cannot see the comparison of the "beast which ascendeth out of the bottomless pit", that hods us in the same EXACT bondage, the children of Israel were under in Egypt?
It is my belief, that there are other people, who see this as I do. And, striving, oh so strenuously striving, in "spiritually sacrificing" in their seeking out OF/FOR the Father! Because, they/I are not seeing the Father IN "the Jesus" that is taught in today's Christendom. Because? After 2,000 YEARS?
The law? Is STILL not "stablished!"
So, are we really loving the Lord our God, with all our "strength?" Or, are we going to allow this locust army in its relentlessly "stripping away" all the "fruit of the Spirit?" So that the "law" may never be stablished?
I didn't read all of this, but will, but noticed your question about the Jews vs the "ethnos" that word gentiles has a questionable derivation.
Alrighty? Fair enough PH. Fair enough. Jesus "supersedes" the "blood sacrifices" given as "sin offerings" unto God. Just as He, Jesus, "supersedes" any and all of the feasts and celebrations God commanded. Right?
So, Jesus had no more right, in showing "love" for the Lord His GOD, in the making of a whip, and clearing out "those" in the (then) "Temple of God", who were (obviously) involved in money making schemes, therefore "proclaiming themselves AS God"; Then, we as Christians today, show our "love" FOR/TO the Lord our God, to our "neighbors", by allowing them in "stablishing their law", much for, and increasingly TO, Christianity's demise?!
Which causes me to consider 2 things! (Perhaps, PH, you could help me "untangle" my explanations?)
1) WOW! We as Christians today, must REALLY, I mean REALLY "HATE" ourselves, by allowing our neighbors, to whom we are to love as ourselves, carry on in this fashion.
Would it not be to a more expedient "stabishing OF the law", and, Loving the Lord our God, with ALL our strength, in sending our neighbors TO God? IOW?
Can we no longer HOLD our neighbors to accountability, as we "presumably" hold OURSELVES to this SAME accountability? WE MUST REALLY HATE OURSELVES, when we are no longer able to show "Tough LOVE" to our "neighbors!", To me, anyway. This shows that "our neighbors" want Christendom to prove "Unconditional Love" to THEM, and follow them as they keep going deeper into "the pit", that Has NO bottom!
It's GOT to STOP! Unconditional love, has run amuck! Our "neighbors" are taking all the "fruit of the Spirit", as it can get, with it! Sounds like a "plague" of "locusts", at best. More like though, in these end times, the "locust army!" Tree of knowledge, of good and evil? Nebacanezzers dream, of the "statue" with "feet of clay?" (man is "made of clay", are we not?) The "number of a "man!" As it states in Revelation.
And?
2) Apostasy! Via traditions of man, has given cause in its own perpetuations, in "throwing the Father out, after the cleansing blood of the Lamb!" In essence, and much more so in practice, in REPLACING the Father WITH the Son! Showing just how true the words Jude stated in His book.
Jude
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Are we so blind that we cannot see the comparison of the "beast which ascendeth out of the bottomless pit", that hods us in the same EXACT bondage, the children of Israel were under in Egypt?
It is my belief, that there are other people, who see this as I do. And, striving, oh so strenuously striving, in "spiritually sacrificing" in their seeking out OF/FOR the Father! Because, they/I are not seeing the Father IN "the Jesus" that is taught in today's Christendom. Because? After 2,000 YEARS?
The law? Is STILL not "stablished!"
So, are we really loving the Lord our God, with all our "strength?" Or, are we going to allow this locust army in its relentlessly "stripping away" all the "fruit of the Spirit?" So that the "law" may never be stablished?
So, Jesus had no more right, in showing "love" for the Lord His GOD, in the making of a whip, and clearing out "those" in the (then) "Temple of God", who were (obviously) involved in money making schemes, therefore "proclaiming themselves AS God"; Then, we as Christians today, show our "love" FOR/TO the Lord our God, to our "neighbors", by allowing them in "stablishing their law", much for, and increasingly TO, Christianity's demise?!
Which causes me to consider 2 things! (Perhaps, PH, you could help me "untangle" my explanations?)
1) WOW! We as Christians today, must REALLY, I mean REALLY "HATE" ourselves, by allowing our neighbors, to whom we are to love as ourselves, carry on in this fashion.
Would it not be to a more expedient "stabishing OF the law", and, Loving the Lord our God, with ALL our strength, in sending our neighbors TO God? IOW?
Can we no longer HOLD our neighbors to accountability, as we "presumably" hold OURSELVES to this SAME accountability? WE MUST REALLY HATE OURSELVES, when we are no longer able to show "Tough LOVE" to our "neighbors!", To me, anyway. This shows that "our neighbors" want Christendom to prove "Unconditional Love" to THEM, and follow them as they keep going deeper into "the pit", that Has NO bottom!
It's GOT to STOP! Unconditional love, has run amuck! Our "neighbors" are taking all the "fruit of the Spirit", as it can get, with it! Sounds like a "plague" of "locusts", at best. More like though, in these end times, the "locust army!" Tree of knowledge, of good and evil? Nebacanezzers dream, of the "statue" with "feet of clay?" (man is "made of clay", are we not?) The "number of a "man!" As it states in Revelation.
And?
2) Apostasy! Via traditions of man, has given cause in its own perpetuations, in "throwing the Father out, after the cleansing blood of the Lamb!" In essence, and much more so in practice, in REPLACING the Father WITH the Son! Showing just how true the words Jude stated in His book.
Jude
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Are we so blind that we cannot see the comparison of the "beast which ascendeth out of the bottomless pit", that hods us in the same EXACT bondage, the children of Israel were under in Egypt?
It is my belief, that there are other people, who see this as I do. And, striving, oh so strenuously striving, in "spiritually sacrificing" in their seeking out OF/FOR the Father! Because, they/I are not seeing the Father IN "the Jesus" that is taught in today's Christendom. Because? After 2,000 YEARS?
The law? Is STILL not "stablished!"
So, are we really loving the Lord our God, with all our "strength?" Or, are we going to allow this locust army in its relentlessly "stripping away" all the "fruit of the Spirit?" So that the "law" may never be stablished?
Notes as I read:
Not "Unconditional Love" It is "unconditional tolerance"
If a man is willing to see it, our nations (USA) laws were patterned after the Torah. What is happening, and has been happening for over 150 years has been the removal and or alteration of those Torah inspired laws down into something that is no longer "Godly" Literally hundreds of laws. We were a nation of LAWS not laws, but LAWS! Godly LAWS! Many of the LAWS were defeated through the courts by arguing that this country had no right to legislate obviously Christian and OT LAWS into the fabric of this nation! So they are systematically being removed! For all those who despise the Torah are you pleased that men and men are now allowed to marry? Are you pleased that parents are losing rights to raise up their children in the way they should go? Are you pleased that the Bible itself and any mention of it is prohibited from public display?
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Unkind?
You continually refusing to answer questions is Kind?
Once again, You need to look in the mirror my friend..
And again, Can you show us a post where someone said that?
Or once again are you going to show you keep making accusations against people. But have no proof to back your claims?
You continually refusing to answer questions is Kind?
Once again, You need to look in the mirror my friend..
And again, Can you show us a post where someone said that?
Or once again are you going to show you keep making accusations against people. But have no proof to back your claims?
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Alrighty? Fair enough PH. Fair enough. Jesus "supersedes" the "blood sacrifices" given as "sin offerings" unto God. Just as He, Jesus, "supersedes" any and all of the feasts and celebrations God commanded. Right?
So, Jesus had no more right, in showing "love" for the Lord His GOD, in the making of a whip, and clearing out "those" in the (then) "Temple of God", who were (obviously) involved in money making schemes, therefore "proclaiming themselves AS God"; Then, we as Christians today, show our "love" FOR/TO the Lord our God, to our "neighbors", by allowing them in "stablishing their law", much for, and increasingly TO, Christianity's demise?!
Which causes me to consider 2 things! (Perhaps, PH, you could help me "untangle" my explanations?)
1) WOW! We as Christians today, must REALLY, I mean REALLY "HATE" ourselves, by allowing our neighbors, to whom we are to love as ourselves, carry on in this fashion.
Would it not be to a more expedient "stabishing OF the law", and, Loving the Lord our God, with ALL our strength, in sending our neighbors TO God? IOW?
Can we no longer HOLD our neighbors to accountability, as we "presumably" hold OURSELVES to this SAME accountability? WE MUST REALLY HATE OURSELVES, when we are no longer able to show "Tough LOVE" to our "neighbors!", To me, anyway. This shows that "our neighbors" want Christendom to prove "Unconditional Love" to THEM, and follow them as they keep going deeper into "the pit", that Has NO bottom!
It's GOT to STOP! Unconditional love, has run amuck! Our "neighbors" are taking all the "fruit of the Spirit", as it can get, with it! Sounds like a "plague" of "locusts", at best. More like though, in these end times, the "locust army!" Tree of knowledge, of good and evil? Nebacanezzers dream, of the "statue" with "feet of clay?" (man is "made of clay", are we not?) The "number of a "man!" As it states in Revelation.
And?
2) Apostasy! Via traditions of man, has given cause in its own perpetuations, in "throwing the Father out, after the cleansing blood of the Lamb!" In essence, and much more so in practice, in REPLACING the Father WITH the Son! Showing just how true the words Jude stated in His book.
Jude
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Are we so blind that we cannot see the comparison of the "beast which ascendeth out of the bottomless pit", that hods us in the same EXACT bondage, the children of Israel were under in Egypt?
It is my belief, that there are other people, who see this as I do. And, striving, oh so strenuously striving, in "spiritually sacrificing" in their seeking out OF/FOR the Father! Because, they/I are not seeing the Father IN "the Jesus" that is taught in today's Christendom. Because? After 2,000 YEARS?
The law? Is STILL not "stablished!"
So, are we really loving the Lord our God, with all our "strength?" Or, are we going to allow this locust army in its relentlessly "stripping away" all the "fruit of the Spirit?" So that the "law" may never be stablished?
So, Jesus had no more right, in showing "love" for the Lord His GOD, in the making of a whip, and clearing out "those" in the (then) "Temple of God", who were (obviously) involved in money making schemes, therefore "proclaiming themselves AS God"; Then, we as Christians today, show our "love" FOR/TO the Lord our God, to our "neighbors", by allowing them in "stablishing their law", much for, and increasingly TO, Christianity's demise?!
Which causes me to consider 2 things! (Perhaps, PH, you could help me "untangle" my explanations?)
1) WOW! We as Christians today, must REALLY, I mean REALLY "HATE" ourselves, by allowing our neighbors, to whom we are to love as ourselves, carry on in this fashion.
Would it not be to a more expedient "stabishing OF the law", and, Loving the Lord our God, with ALL our strength, in sending our neighbors TO God? IOW?
Can we no longer HOLD our neighbors to accountability, as we "presumably" hold OURSELVES to this SAME accountability? WE MUST REALLY HATE OURSELVES, when we are no longer able to show "Tough LOVE" to our "neighbors!", To me, anyway. This shows that "our neighbors" want Christendom to prove "Unconditional Love" to THEM, and follow them as they keep going deeper into "the pit", that Has NO bottom!
It's GOT to STOP! Unconditional love, has run amuck! Our "neighbors" are taking all the "fruit of the Spirit", as it can get, with it! Sounds like a "plague" of "locusts", at best. More like though, in these end times, the "locust army!" Tree of knowledge, of good and evil? Nebacanezzers dream, of the "statue" with "feet of clay?" (man is "made of clay", are we not?) The "number of a "man!" As it states in Revelation.
And?
2) Apostasy! Via traditions of man, has given cause in its own perpetuations, in "throwing the Father out, after the cleansing blood of the Lamb!" In essence, and much more so in practice, in REPLACING the Father WITH the Son! Showing just how true the words Jude stated in His book.
Jude
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Are we so blind that we cannot see the comparison of the "beast which ascendeth out of the bottomless pit", that hods us in the same EXACT bondage, the children of Israel were under in Egypt?
It is my belief, that there are other people, who see this as I do. And, striving, oh so strenuously striving, in "spiritually sacrificing" in their seeking out OF/FOR the Father! Because, they/I are not seeing the Father IN "the Jesus" that is taught in today's Christendom. Because? After 2,000 YEARS?
The law? Is STILL not "stablished!"
So, are we really loving the Lord our God, with all our "strength?" Or, are we going to allow this locust army in its relentlessly "stripping away" all the "fruit of the Spirit?" So that the "law" may never be stablished?
Did my reply come across messed up?
Looking back over it and can't make sense of what I sent.
Apologies for any confusion.
SG
The question asked was 'if the law is spiritual how can YOU tell Posthuman that wearing a poly/cotton blend is sin?'
Did you just not understand the question?
Or do you really think that a spiritual person is one who refrains from wearing clothes that have different types of cloth in them?
Since you do NOT know that the Law is Spiritual and don't really know what Spiritual even is then you DON'T know what the Law says and you don't know what sin is.
IF you could fulfill the Spiritual Law by a mere carnal means, such as wearing a 100% cotton shirt, then the Law is NOT spiritual but it is a carnal law.
I don't expect you to understand this. You've already shown that you do not.
Some of us understand this.
Some of us do not.
If you actually knew what sin was it might be a good thing.
Then if you actually knew the remedy it might be a good thing as well.
But you don't understand what you say or what you affirm. Just like the bible has told us.
This is EXACTLY what I mean when I say you have turned the Scripture on its head trying to make it say 180 degrees of what it REALLY says.
You may THINK that you obey the law. The carnal mind often does. Because the carnal mind doesn't understand the Spiritual law. The carnal mind thinks it fulfills the Spiritual law by its carnal acts. Such as not wearing a poly/cotton blend.
The carnal mind often thinks it is better than it really is. The Lord actually cautions that thinking if you want go check.
What Paul is saying here is NOT that those who follow a carnal law are spiritual because they follow a carnal law. Paul is saying that your carnality, your work and understanding of the Law, can never fulfill the Spirituality required by that Law.
The Torah is ONLY in letter form.
The Torah was NEVER made flesh. GOD was made flesh.
The Torah is NOT Spirit. The Torah is the Letter.
In order to be spiritual, in order to gain a spiritual understanding YOU MUST COME TO CHRIST. Only Christ can give you a spiritual understanding. The Torah can't do this for you.
2 Peter 3:17-18
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Beware against being led away with the error of the wicked. Those who DON'T understand that those who are of the works of the law are under the curse. Those who attempt to entangle the Christian back into the Yoke of Bondage from which they were delivered.
What is the SOLUTION for being led away with the error of the wicked? Or as your VERY poor translation calls it "error of the lawless"?
Its not working at the law. Its Growing in Grace and in the Knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Did you just not understand the question?
Or do you really think that a spiritual person is one who refrains from wearing clothes that have different types of cloth in them?
Since you do NOT know that the Law is Spiritual and don't really know what Spiritual even is then you DON'T know what the Law says and you don't know what sin is.
IF you could fulfill the Spiritual Law by a mere carnal means, such as wearing a 100% cotton shirt, then the Law is NOT spiritual but it is a carnal law.
I don't expect you to understand this. You've already shown that you do not.
Some of us understand this.
Some of us do not.
If you actually knew what sin was it might be a good thing.
Then if you actually knew the remedy it might be a good thing as well.
But you don't understand what you say or what you affirm. Just like the bible has told us.
This is EXACTLY what I mean when I say you have turned the Scripture on its head trying to make it say 180 degrees of what it REALLY says.
You may THINK that you obey the law. The carnal mind often does. Because the carnal mind doesn't understand the Spiritual law. The carnal mind thinks it fulfills the Spiritual law by its carnal acts. Such as not wearing a poly/cotton blend.
The carnal mind often thinks it is better than it really is. The Lord actually cautions that thinking if you want go check.
What Paul is saying here is NOT that those who follow a carnal law are spiritual because they follow a carnal law. Paul is saying that your carnality, your work and understanding of the Law, can never fulfill the Spirituality required by that Law.
The Torah is ONLY in letter form.
The Torah was NEVER made flesh. GOD was made flesh.
The Torah is NOT Spirit. The Torah is the Letter.
In order to be spiritual, in order to gain a spiritual understanding YOU MUST COME TO CHRIST. Only Christ can give you a spiritual understanding. The Torah can't do this for you.
2 Peter 3:17-18
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Beware against being led away with the error of the wicked. Those who DON'T understand that those who are of the works of the law are under the curse. Those who attempt to entangle the Christian back into the Yoke of Bondage from which they were delivered.
What is the SOLUTION for being led away with the error of the wicked? Or as your VERY poor translation calls it "error of the lawless"?
Its not working at the law. Its Growing in Grace and in the Knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
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If I am any indication of what men in general want, it is to be able to overcome everything in my path, in one way or another.
But with Gods Spiritual Law I was not able to do that. Ever.
There was a time when I thought I could. But what I had done was bring Gods Law down to my level so I would just "think" that I was fulfilling it.
Gods Spiritual Law puts a stop to EVERYONES mouth. Christian, Buddhist, whatever. ALL MOUTHS are stopped before God. No one can say to God "What else would you like me to do, I've already accomplished these first 10".
With all that being said, the wish in my heart is that I COULD stand on my own. That I was the One who is Strong. That I was the One who Provides. That I was the One who Protects. That I was the One with Wisdom and Knowledge.
But I am still that small child that must come to the Throne and ask for His Strength, His Provision, His Protection and His Knowledge and Wisdom. (Little ones to Him belong, they are weak but He is Strong)
I don't want to. Not really. The carnal mind fights against this. I want to be The One.
But over the years I've been taught humility. As you can probably imagine I desperately needed it....
But with Gods Spiritual Law I was not able to do that. Ever.
There was a time when I thought I could. But what I had done was bring Gods Law down to my level so I would just "think" that I was fulfilling it.
Gods Spiritual Law puts a stop to EVERYONES mouth. Christian, Buddhist, whatever. ALL MOUTHS are stopped before God. No one can say to God "What else would you like me to do, I've already accomplished these first 10".
With all that being said, the wish in my heart is that I COULD stand on my own. That I was the One who is Strong. That I was the One who Provides. That I was the One who Protects. That I was the One with Wisdom and Knowledge.
But I am still that small child that must come to the Throne and ask for His Strength, His Provision, His Protection and His Knowledge and Wisdom. (Little ones to Him belong, they are weak but He is Strong)
I don't want to. Not really. The carnal mind fights against this. I want to be The One.
But over the years I've been taught humility. As you can probably imagine I desperately needed it....
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EG your cold and calculated aggression is a blemish on this thread.
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