Works can NEVER earn salvation
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Cain could have had faith in God. And by this faith, be saved like abel. And through this faith, also do like God asked. Instead of trying to pervert Gods grace and offer human good.
If you notice heb 11. Abel had FAITH, Cain did NOT.
How do we as hmans know who had faith?
Abel did what God asked, Abel rebelled and did his own thing.
If you notice heb 11. Abel had FAITH, Cain did NOT.
How do we as hmans know who had faith?
Abel did what God asked, Abel rebelled and did his own thing.
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I believe we have free will. I believe when we chose to accept Jesus, He will come to our heart and we will bear loving fruit, not killing or rob the bank, because good tree produce good fruit
A bout selection, I believe God select whosoever believe in Jesus, like what Jesus say in john 3:16
A bout selection, I believe God select whosoever believe in Jesus, like what Jesus say in john 3:16
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Abel’s offering gave evidence that he was a righteous man, --- Agreed
but his offering did not make him become a righteous man --- Agreed
It was by or "out of" faith that Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain --- Agreed
but that was not the point/moment of becoming righteous. --- Agreed
As you can tell, I agree with all four of your points but you simply cannot see the forest for the trees.
Here's the verse:
By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. Hebrews 11:4
When did God commend Abel's? Was it before or after the act of sacrifice was done? After of course.
The verse clearly and purposely points out that God looked with favor towards Abel because he did the proper sacrifice.
God certainly knew of Abel's faith and righteousness before the physical sacrifice but it was the sacrifice that God chose to use as the event to commend Abel. Abel's sacrifice was one of obedience, Cain's was not.
Without the proper act of sacrifice by a righteous Abel there would have been no commendation.
Cain was not told to have faith but to do in order to be accepted.
Here's the verse:
Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.” Genesis 4:6-7
I truly cannot make this any clearer.
but his offering did not make him become a righteous man --- Agreed
It was by or "out of" faith that Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain --- Agreed
but that was not the point/moment of becoming righteous. --- Agreed
As you can tell, I agree with all four of your points but you simply cannot see the forest for the trees.
Here's the verse:
By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. Hebrews 11:4
When did God commend Abel's? Was it before or after the act of sacrifice was done? After of course.
The verse clearly and purposely points out that God looked with favor towards Abel because he did the proper sacrifice.
God certainly knew of Abel's faith and righteousness before the physical sacrifice but it was the sacrifice that God chose to use as the event to commend Abel. Abel's sacrifice was one of obedience, Cain's was not.
Without the proper act of sacrifice by a righteous Abel there would have been no commendation.
Cain was not told to have faith but to do in order to be accepted.
Here's the verse:
Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.” Genesis 4:6-7
I truly cannot make this any clearer.
The doing would demonstrate faith. But to say "Cain was not told to have faith" means that you are ignoring the necessity of faith BEFORE the sacrifice is made.
Abel had faith in God BEFORE he made his offering. Cain had none. In fact the Bible tells us that Cain was under the control of the Wicked One -- the devil. Therefore Cain ignored God's requirement for a proper burnt offering, and decided that the fruit of the earth should be acceptable. Then he learned the error of his ways, and instead of turning to God, he killed his brother, thus compounding his sins. That is how wicked this man was.
And you are attempting to reverse what the Bible has revealed, and make Cain look like one of the good guys. I wonder why.
Abel had faith in God BEFORE he made his offering. Cain had none. In fact the Bible tells us that Cain was under the control of the Wicked One -- the devil. Therefore Cain ignored God's requirement for a proper burnt offering, and decided that the fruit of the earth should be acceptable. Then he learned the error of his ways, and instead of turning to God, he killed his brother, thus compounding his sins. That is how wicked this man was.
And you are attempting to reverse what the Bible has revealed, and make Cain look like one of the good guys. I wonder why.
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And to take it even further....faith places us into the vine.....the ROOT (JESUS) is the one that PRODUCES the FRUIT....we as branches do nothing more that BEAR the fruit that the ROOT produces in US.......
ALL glory goes to JESUS and exactly why works do not save or keep saved.......it is ALL his work...it is ALL CHRIST or it is fraudulent.....
ALL glory goes to JESUS and exactly why works do not save or keep saved.......it is ALL his work...it is ALL CHRIST or it is fraudulent.....
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