Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[Yahshua]

Yep so why after you repented from sin and came to Christ do you need to know what sin is? Did you forget?

The purpose of the law is to bring us to Christ. Why do you need it after it completed its job in your life?

Because the law isn't the problem. You are. I am.

The obedience to the law is what leads to everlasting life. That's why we need Christ in our lives...to empower us to do what Christ did...obey.

This is how Christ saved us, to give us his Spirit, to walk as he walked in the flesh.

The job isn't complete until you're dead or transformed.

"He that endures to the end, the same shall be saves."

 

[DeighAnn]

In the progression of the thread's conversation - as what typically happens - I've said more on this. In fact, it's the reason for so many replies to me. I don't mean to make you feel left out by not quoting you specifically, if that's what you're feeling. I assumed it would be easy to continue to read the conversation since you answered my question. Apologies.

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The reason why I asked the question is because Israel was given a code to operate by. Gentiles were not. Israel was promised gifts. Gentiles were not. Israel was promised Christ. Gentiles were not. If one isn't part of Israel fabrics are irrelevant.

But Yah's people, Israel, are to be set apart. To be holy and pure and separate. They are not to do the things the world does. There's no such thing as a follower of Yah (Israel) who operates no differently than a gentile in EVERY facet of life, like wearing mixed fabrics or eating pork or shaving the sides of their heads etc.

Every moment the follower of Yah (Israel) walks around they take on the name of the Father and the Son and reflect who he is, as priests to the world. At every turn they are representing The Almighty and The Redeemer.

As such, a newborn into ISRAEL (a gentile believer) is perfectly accepted as they are, receiving Christ. No one is turned away. Being forgiven of their sins...but are then are expected to learn and GROW in holiness, not stay where they are. Not remain gentile babes. They are ISRAEL now, Yah's beloved jewels. They are to conform to the body of Yah's firstborn. This is what the counsel in Acts was partly all about.

So for gentile believers who are born into this family, into ISRAEL, who do not yet know all the ways, who are still on milk, they are not held to a higher standard yet; on them is placed no greater burden yet, as was determined by that meeting.

Only the truth they know in their conscience becomes the FULL code by which they are weighed, as explained by Paul. The only things they are responsible for are the basics they are taught, as enumerated by James.

And then in the progression of time, they are purposed to learn more and more of Yah's ways (which is what James concludes when he said the law is preached every sabbath day)...until such time as they conform to the perfect image of the son, as part of his body.

Why?

Answer: Because man lives by every word, every word, every word that proceeds from the Father.

Every word.

I think this is the best explanation I have read.

 

[Yahshua]

Why did you pick your screen name?

Are we really having this conversation about screen names?

I explained why in 2013 when I joined. Posted it on the introductions thread. Posted it again in the singles board and this board in 2015.

...and the most asounding part is Yahshua isn't even the name Jesus. So someone as learned as you (and EG apparently) shouldn't take issue with it.

If (forgive me) a Mexican who's name was Jesus by birth, but never told you he was Mexican or explained his background, signed up with the screenname Jesus, you'd probably falsely judge their intent too.

Come on.

"You've a picture a skeleton, and i have deceased family members so I find that image offensive. Why'd you pick it? Probably to offend all those with deceased relatives. So I'll interact with you from now on as if that's the case."

^ how would you respond if i said such ridiculousness?

 

[DeighAnn]

I think it applies to all 13 tribes. But for many of the tribes, it might only be a remnant, the descendants of the small number of people from the northern tribes who left that kingdom when it went bad.

2 Chronicles 11: 16. And after them, from all the tribes of Israel, all those whose hearts were fixed and true to the Lord, the God of Israel, came to Jerusalem to make offerings to the Lord, the God of their fathers.

Will be as stars of sky, dust of earth. I take this to mean Gods people are prevalent, always. I just don't think anyone realizes who they are. The Northern tribes are not really spoken of past the captivity in the land. Didn't God scatter them all through out the world? I think of them as the Christians of today. Question Do you think that there is" thought" process that distinctly separates Gods elect for the rest of Israel and the grafted in Gentiles? I will find a law question.

 

[NayborBear]

That's what you are inferring.

From EG's post you have assumed that those who do not work at the law and who are not Judaizers will continue in sin.

EG has shown that the only way to NOT continue in sin is to abide solely in Christ and NOT in working at the law in your own (failed) understanding and strength.

Let us rather "cut to the chase", so to speak, eh? Or, try to, anyway. (gonna be a long post, methinks) And, being such? I fully expect some to, not so much "pick apart" this post. But, as has been shown me more times then I care to mention, come away seeing only that which they want to see. Thus, disregarding the rest.

In "venues" such as this, there are people of many many different levels of faith, and Spiritual growth, and I want to "bring it back" to what Paul was trying to explain in Romans 11.
Romans 11
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

I think we can all agree that upon accepting Christ, that that particular part/branch/limb/twig/piece, of a gentile's "wild olive tree", is GRAFTED into the TRUE vine, as Jesus called it. Olive tree, is what Paul called it.
6 of one? Half dozen of another! Yet? This is only a PART, of a gentile's "wild olive tree!" NOT THE WHOLE, as some gentiles, would want some to think. This is the very BEGINNING, of this "grafting process", and NOT the "end", as some gentiles would have one prescribe/ascribe to.
AFTER, this initial grafting? The converted gentile SHOULD start to SENSE the "unction" of the Holy Spirit, in STRIVING in "trying to connect up with" THE ROOT! Or? He who SENT Jesus of Nazareth. As Jesus called Him: "My Father in Heaven." Or? "If you believe in God?" "Believe also, in Me." "For I come FROM God."
Romans 11
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF thou continue in his goodness: OTHERWISE(?) thou also shalt be cut off.

All this while, the gentile is warring against the "rest" of the gentile's wild olive tree. That is to say, the outer man! As well, as the INNER man, that has not yet been overcome!

FROM THE INSIDE OUT! FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP?
Is how JEHOVAH "builds" His Priests!
Romans 11
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

What happens, is that the gentile falls victim to: "Why can't YOU be like the "other" christians?" "You can STOP this at ANY time, yanno?" "You ARE saved, yanno?" "Might, MAKES right, yanno?"
Something to be said here concerning traditions of man, making void the Word of God.

Matthew 7
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The more and more the successfulness, the inner man, has in overcoming, by the gentile's continued perseverance of the grafting taking hold, in the gentile's ability of abolishing the wild olive tree of his wild olive tree nature, or outer man?
The gentile cannot help himself, in "gravitating" CLOSER TO THE ROOT! Or? He who sent Jesus of Nazareth!
Romans 3
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
31 Do we then make VOID the law THROUGH faith? God forbid(!): yea, we ESTABLISH the law.

WHAT LAW? The law of Moses! The very ROOT! Of the which, there would BE no Christianity!

How FORTUNATE we ALL are! That the GOD of our Salvation, in His LOVING KINDNESS, which ENDURES FOREVER for "those" called by His Name! Has seen FIT, that even us GENTILES should have so hard a task in overcoming? That He has "set aside" an "everlasting", aka "thousand years", wherein the serpent/dragon/devil/beezelbub/ADVERSARY, is to be INCARCERATED, during "this time of teaching!"

Revelation 2
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

These "warnings and rewards" sure seems to be directed towards THIS SIDE of the "Millennial Age" aka "everlasting." Don't it?













Of course, the "rest" of the gentile's wild olive tree, wants NOTHING to do with this!

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[eternally-gratefull]

Because the law isn't the problem. You are. I am.

The obedience to the law is what leads to everlasting life. That's why we need Christ in our lives...to empower us to do what Christ did...obey.

This is how Christ saved us, to give us his Spirit, to walk as he walked in the flesh.

The job isn't complete until you're dead or transformed.

"He that endures to the end, the same shall be saves."

There you go folks. Nothing more needs said.

This person believes the law is what saves, their you have it in his own words.

 

[Dan_473]

In the progression of the thread's conversation - as what typically happens - I've said more on this. In fact, it's the reason for so many replies to me. I don't mean to make you feel left out by not quoting you specifically, if that's what you're feeling. I assumed it would be easy to continue to read the conversation since you answered my question. Apologies.

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The reason why I asked the question is because Israel was given a code to operate by. Gentiles were not. Israel was promised gifts. Gentiles were not. Israel was promised Christ. Gentiles were not. If one isn't part of Israel fabrics are irrelevant.

But Yah's people, Israel, are to be set apart. To be holy and pure and separate. They are not to do the things the world does. There's no such thing as a follower of Yah (Israel) who operates no differently than a gentile in EVERY facet of life, like wearing mixed fabrics or eating pork or shaving the sides of their heads etc.

Every moment the follower of Yah (Israel) walks around they take on the name of the Father and the Son and reflect who he is, as priests to the world. At every turn they are representing The Almighty and The Redeemer.

As such, a newborn into ISRAEL (a gentile believer) is perfectly accepted as they are, receiving Christ. No one is turned away. Being forgiven of their sins...but are then are expected to learn and GROW in holiness, not stay where they are. Not remain gentile babes. They are ISRAEL now, Yah's beloved jewels. They are to conform to the body of Yah's firstborn. This is what the counsel in Acts was partly all about.

So for gentile believers who are born into this family, into ISRAEL, who do not yet know all the ways, who are still on milk, they are not held to a higher standard yet; on them is placed no greater burden yet, as was determined by that meeting.

Only the truth they know in their conscience becomes the FULL code by which they are weighed, as explained by Paul. The only things they are responsible for are the basics they are taught, as enumerated by James.

And then in the progression of time, they are purposed to learn more and more of Yah's ways (which is what James concludes when he said the law is preached every sabbath day)...until such time as they conform to the perfect image of the son, as part of his body.

Why?

Answer: Because man lives by every word, every word, every word that proceeds from the Father.

Every word.

Hi, thanks for the reply! No, I wasn't feeling left out, it's that on a fast-moving thread like this, I don't read every post. I tend to just check my alerts page, because anytime someone quotes a post that I wrote, it shows up there. So if someone doesn't reply to my post, I probably won't see their response.


It sounds like in your view, then, a mature believer, someone who has read the commandment about not mixing wool and linen, if they then wear clothes made of linen and wool blends, they are not following the written prescription that you talked about in your analogy. They are not living by every word.

Am I understanding you correctly?

And in your view, does this also apply to Cotton and polyester blends?

 

[NayborBear]

You responded as if the portion you quoted was the only thing I said. That, my dear brother, is called dishonest dialog it's actually why you're having trouble with understanding Paul and the scriptures. We have a bad habit of pulling passages out of their context and then making doctrine out of them.

Happens QUITE OFTEN here in the BDF!
Sad to say!

 

[SimpleGardner]

Hi! Did you want to say more on this?
Does the issue of who was under thecovenant of Sinai when Jesus walked the Earth relate to which laws you feel are to be kept today?

Just came in and also just went back and reread our post volly. Did you ever reply an answer as to who was under the Law covenant at the time Jesus walked among us?

 

[DeighAnn]

Pointing out sin and encouraging bretheren not to sin like we're instructed? On a Christian site? I don't know what I was thinking.

 

[Yahshua]

There you go folks. Nothing more needs said.

This person believes the law is what saves, their you have it in his own words.

Reading is fundamental, lord EG. I'm sure they can read what I said.

Tell me was Israel leaving Egypt the same event as Israel entering the promise land?

 

[Dan_473]

Will be as stars of sky, dust of earth. I take this to mean Gods people are prevalent, always. I just don't think anyone realizes who they are. The Northern tribes are not really spoken of past the captivity in the land. Didn't God scatter them all through out the world? I think of them as the Christians of today. Question Do you think that there is" thought" process that distinctly separates Gods elect for the rest of Israel and the grafted in Gentiles? I will find a law question.

For those people who descended from Jacob, those who stopped following the law of Moses after the northern kingdom split, I believe those people were no longer considered Israelites, the covenant people of God back then.

Certainly after the bulk of them were carried off to Assyria, they stopped keeping even the most basic laws, like circumcision. Why do I think this? because a people group following the law of Moses in a gentile world stick out like sore thumbs.

I think there is something in the old covenant about if you do not practice circumcision, you are cut off from God's people.

I don't think that once Israelites get assimilated, they continue to somehow be hidden Israelites centuries later.

Numbers 23: 9. For from the top of the rocks I see him. From the hills I see him. Behold, it is a people that dwells alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations.

Israel always dwells alone, separately. Even people like Daniel during the Babylonian exile, still lived a very separate lifestyle.

 

[SimpleGardner]

For sure.

Like, find out what caring after your neighbors lost animals, cross dressing, birds with eggs in their nest, parapets on rooves, sowing mixed seed in a field, plowing with an ox and a donkey together, mixed fibers in and tassels on all four corners of garments all have in common and particularly what these things all say together about Christ, because all scripture testifies of Him.

God doesn't happen to be impressing on me that righteousness is achieved or displayed by 100% cotton, tho. He's impressed on me that Deuteronomy 22 isn't a random collection of odd statutes: it's a very deliberately organized picture of the Messiah.

So how does Christ fulfill verse 11? And what does this have to do with taking eggs from a nest while leaving the mother bird?
That's far more important to me than looking down ones nose at someone whose sweatpants contain elastic.

If you read the excerpt I attached and do not see the possible reason God gave these details then just give it time. Maybe you will see it maybe the Holy Spirit will reveal a deeper meaning to you. But if you feel an antagonistic spirit towards words God spoke then perhaps you need to ask for peace relative to that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There you go folks. Nothing more needs said.

This person believes the law is what saves, their you have it in his own words.

I did not know you could see likes and dislikes from ignored people.

Notice. The man said obedience to the law is what leads to everlasting life. And I said this is all we need to know. And he disagreed with me.. I guess naylorbear believes the same thing!! Since he disliked my post. How can you read it any other way?

 

[SimpleGardner]

You responded as if the portion you quoted was the only thing I said. That, my dear brother, is called dishonest dialog it's actually why you're having trouble with understanding Paul and the scriptures. We have a bad habit of pulling passages out of their context and then making doctrine out of them.

Greetings Y,

I wonder if being involved or ascribing to "Reformed Theology" has anything to do with this contention. I am leaning to Yes.

My attituse has not been the best so I cannot say much, but I am embarrassed by many of their misrepresentations and misquotes and outright False accusations. Although, lately they have been a bit more civil I have been on the receiving end of quite a few mean spirited and foul worded replies.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Reading is fundamental, lord EG. I'm sure they can read what I said.

Tell me was Israel leaving Egypt the same event as Israel entering the promise land?

Yep they can

You said obedience to the law is what leads to everlasting life.

Thats a false gospel.. I bet most of them would disagree with you. But you will not ge tthem to acknowledge that. Because you agree with them

 

[posthuman]

"You've a picture a skeleton, and i have deceased family members so I find that image offensive. Why'd you pick it? Probably to offend all those with deceased relatives. So I'll interact with you from now on as if that's the case."

^ how would you respond if i said such ridiculousness?

I would quote scripture explaining my choice and why I think it applicable to and appropriate for myself. This happens to me fairly often.

I wouldn't say 'I explained this once 6 years ago so I'm not going to tell you now'

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Greetings Y,

I wonder if being involved or ascribing to "Reformed Theology" has anything to do with this contention. I am leaning to Yes.

My attituse has not been the best so I cannot say much, but I am embarrassed by many of their misrepresentations and misquotes and outright False accusations. Although, lately they have been a bit more civil I have been on the receiving end of quite a few mean spirited and foul worded replies.

So I quoted him saying obedience to the la leads to eternal life.

Was I wrong?

Or do you agree with him?

 

[SimpleGardner]

I did not know you could see likes and dislikes from ignored people.

Notice. The man said obedience to the law is what leads to everlasting life. And I said this is all we need to know. And he disagreed with me.. I guess naylorbear believes the same thing!! Since he disliked my post. How can you read it any other way?

Are there bonus points for confirmed "condemnation" ? Can you cash them in like the Catholics do their indulgences? You sound like you are savoring your perceived gotcha!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are there bonus points for confirmed "condemnation" ? Can you cash them in like the Catholics do their indulgences? You sound like you are savoring your perceived gotcha!

And you tell me if you agree with the person or not?

Remember, the person denys that what he teaches, then there you have in his own words.

Why do you continue to defend certain people. Yet continue to attack others?