Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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The Socinians held to a rationalistic approach to Scripture and to faith. This philosophical approach, especially in regard to biblical doctrine, declares that all religious matters must be fully reconcilable with human reason, and that theological matters pertaining to the nature of God cannot be beyond the finite understanding of the human mind.
1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Typical responses from followers, or worshippers of "baal!"
Whether they know it, or not? Believe it or not? Or, even care.
Nonetheless? It is true!
Matthew 13
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
This is what baal, the spirit of anti-christ, and other conspirators DO!
2 Thessalonians 2
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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So? In your opinion, Love abolishes, and renders the remaining fruit of the Spirit, as chopped liver?
Inquiring minds, do so want to know!
Inquiring minds, do so want to know!
In my mind, LOVE fullfills the law, Just like Christ said.
If I love you I will not sin against you, in fact, I will not even CONSIDER sin against you, meanign I will nto even be TEMPTED by sin.
But I know. Thats a foriegn idea to you. You think just because you do not commit some sin, your ok..
Well news flash. Your not. It goes much deeper than this.
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if folks would only allow the Holy Sprit to open their minds to what sin really is, then they would understand their desperate need for a Savior.
but, sadly, as long as they minimize what sin truly is, and let their pride, sinful pride that is, rule their minds, they will continue to push self-effort instead of fully trusting Christ.....
but, sadly, as long as they minimize what sin truly is, and let their pride, sinful pride that is, rule their minds, they will continue to push self-effort instead of fully trusting Christ.....
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I'm confused.
You insinuated that not all of Israel was required to keep Deuteronomy 22:11, and then you confirmed that yes, they were.
Also confusing is your analogy - doesn't it equate 'having Christ' with 'keeping Moses' Law'? Because you say, having the Law without having Christ is just as useless as having a prescription but not filling it. The inference is that Christ = being under the Law and fully keeping it all. Which would include Deuteronomy 22:11
Can you just give a clear, pragmatic answer: i am a believer of totally gentile descent. Is it sin for me to wear poly/cotton blend clothes? Am i under the Law of Moses?
You insinuated that not all of Israel was required to keep Deuteronomy 22:11, and then you confirmed that yes, they were.
Also confusing is your analogy - doesn't it equate 'having Christ' with 'keeping Moses' Law'? Because you say, having the Law without having Christ is just as useless as having a prescription but not filling it. The inference is that Christ = being under the Law and fully keeping it all. Which would include Deuteronomy 22:11
Can you just give a clear, pragmatic answer: i am a believer of totally gentile descent. Is it sin for me to wear poly/cotton blend clothes? Am i under the Law of Moses?
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On this I agree! It does go much deeper then that!
The part where you are wrong, EG?
Is when things get "deeper" then where you are?
THEY are WRONG!
And, you? In your rebuking of them? Are not!
So then you run around shouting: "SHOW me where "I'm" wrong!"
And, you know as well as I, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus!
But, by, and in your insinuations, and accusations? You condemn those confessed TO the Father!
My advice? STOP!! LISTEN!! Go TO the Father WITH your cross, ON your own self! Cuz, He is calling you!
DON'T grovel! When the Father saz to you, like He did Job! "STAND UP! "Like a MAN!" "And, "I" will question you!"
Granted, EG, They most likely will not be the same questions, God inquired of Job! But? There WILL be questions Only YOU will be able to answer.
Then, perhaps, you may find yourself a mite less combative!
Or? Stay in the continuing of your allowing for Jesus to carrying your cross for you. Because He SHALL! Even ALL of your cross! For however LONG IT TAKES! Should this be what you REQUIRE!
The part where you are wrong, EG?
Is when things get "deeper" then where you are?
THEY are WRONG!
And, you? In your rebuking of them? Are not!
So then you run around shouting: "SHOW me where "I'm" wrong!"
And, you know as well as I, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus!
But, by, and in your insinuations, and accusations? You condemn those confessed TO the Father!
My advice? STOP!! LISTEN!! Go TO the Father WITH your cross, ON your own self! Cuz, He is calling you!
DON'T grovel! When the Father saz to you, like He did Job! "STAND UP! "Like a MAN!" "And, "I" will question you!"
Granted, EG, They most likely will not be the same questions, God inquired of Job!
But? There WILL be questions Only YOU will be able to answer.Then, perhaps, you may find yourself a mite less combative!
Or? Stay in the continuing of your allowing for Jesus to carrying your cross for you. Because He SHALL! Even ALL of your cross! For however LONG IT TAKES! Should this be what you REQUIRE!
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Lovely isn't it! Many think Grace just exists in the air, a gift to be breathed in, but man MUST acquired/appropriate Grace! And how is Grace acquired? Through Faith! And How is Faith acquired? Through the Words of GOD!
Rom 10:17 KJV So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
So many in an almost arrogant tone blow a horn of personal victory in both understanding and experience as if our walk is not daily, or hourly, even moment to moment sustained by Grace through Faith! This is such a perilous stance. Anyone is subject to falling from grace at an instant especially when a spirit of superiority and arrogance sets in! A life of meaningful fellowship with God through His Holy Spirit which includes personal revelations and witnessing of glorious acts of mercy and restoration builds up our faith. But if anyone then tries to appropriate or take these experiences as a statement of God; "You are one of my Favorites, you have extra liberties" then they are already falling from Grace. We cannot trust in our experiences, we can only trust in God! There's an old saying that came from the times of revival in the UK back in the 1700-1800's that; "everyone needs two conversions: first, from the natural to the supernatural; and second, from the supernatural to the natural." let that one sink in. it makes perfect sense and should humble every one of us!
I don't think that anyone here is saying that the more we study the word of God or the more we pray the more we can appropriate the Grace of God! So for those who assume this shame on you! You are perilously close to discouraging good behaviour and would if it weren't for the fact that many of are knowledgable enough to KNOW that receiving the Grace of God requires Faith which must be fed; and faith cannot be nourished without daily, yes DAILY nourishment from the Word of GOD, and time alone with GOD in prayer every day.
There are without a doubt three things that God does for us:
Salvation
Sanctification
and one day Glorification!
He does all three! completely!
But, When God calls us to Christ for Salvation what is our part?
Repentance
When God through the Holy Spirit walks with us through Sanctification what is our part?
Faith and faith that He is doing it!
But are we to be vigilant, sober knowing that the enemy seeks to destroy us?
Or to be circumspect with relation to Humility knowing God rejects the proud?
This is the top of a ling list!
This list is what was meant by "working out our Salvation with fear and trembling"
When we are brought, by faith to Glorification what is our part?
We must each know this one on our own.
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On this I agree! It does go much deeper then that!
The part where you are wrong, EG?
Is when things get "deeper" then where you are?
THEY are WRONG!
And, you? In your rebuking of them? Are not!
So then you run around shouting: "SHOW me where "I'm" wrong!"
And, you know as well as I, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus!
But, by, and in your insinuations, and accusations? You condemn those confessed TO the Father!
My advice? STOP!! LISTEN!! Go TO the Father WITH your cross, ON your own self! Cuz, He is calling you!
DON'T grovel! When the Father saz to you, like He did Job! "STAND UP! "Like a MAN!" "And, "I" will question you!"
Granted, EG, They most likely will not be the same questions, God inquired of Job! But? There WILL be questions Only YOU will be able to answer.
Then, perhaps, you may find yourself a mite less combative!
Or? Stay in the continuing of your allowing for Jesus to carrying your cross for you. Because He SHALL! Even ALL of your cross! For however LONG IT TAKES! Should this be what you REQUIRE!
The part where you are wrong, EG?
Is when things get "deeper" then where you are?
THEY are WRONG!
And, you? In your rebuking of them? Are not!
So then you run around shouting: "SHOW me where "I'm" wrong!"
And, you know as well as I, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus!
But, by, and in your insinuations, and accusations? You condemn those confessed TO the Father!
My advice? STOP!! LISTEN!! Go TO the Father WITH your cross, ON your own self! Cuz, He is calling you!
DON'T grovel! When the Father saz to you, like He did Job! "STAND UP! "Like a MAN!" "And, "I" will question you!"
Granted, EG, They most likely will not be the same questions, God inquired of Job!
But? There WILL be questions Only YOU will be able to answer.Then, perhaps, you may find yourself a mite less combative!
Or? Stay in the continuing of your allowing for Jesus to carrying your cross for you. Because He SHALL! Even ALL of your cross! For however LONG IT TAKES! Should this be what you REQUIRE!
E
You will never understand. There is no need to try to explain it to you.
Who said they were required to be followed by men? thats not the case.
The case is, YOU HAVE FAILED TO KEEP THE LAW. (If it is something that does not pertain to you, then you can not follow it can you? It will not be held against you then will it?)
It does not mean you obeyed the law because you are exempt from that one command, You still have the other commands that God gave moses that MOSES made them take an oath to OBEY EVERY LETTER! And as Paul said, You must obey ever letter. And as james said, You mess up 1 time on 1 command, your cursed. Guilty of the whole law.
Who said they were required to be followed by men? thats not the case.
The case is, YOU HAVE FAILED TO KEEP THE LAW. (If it is something that does not pertain to you, then you can not follow it can you? It will not be held against you then will it?)
It does not mean you obeyed the law because you are exempt from that one command, You still have the other commands that God gave moses that MOSES made them take an oath to OBEY EVERY LETTER! And as Paul said, You must obey ever letter. And as james said, You mess up 1 time on 1 command, your cursed. Guilty of the whole law.