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PS said:
You have been born again, but if you did fall away for whatever reason and abandon the faith you would not be able to return.
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Jeremiah 23:7-8 (HCSB)
7 “The days are coming”—the LORD’s declaration—“when it will no longer be said, ‘As the LORD lives who brought the Israelites from the land of Egypt,’
8 but, ‘As the LORD lives, who brought and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the land of the north and from all the other countries where I had banished them.’ They will dwell once more in their own land.”

Jeremiah 3:12 (NASB)
12 "Go and proclaim these words toward the north and say, 'Return, faithless Israel,' declares the LORD; 'I will not look upon you in anger. For I am gracious,' declares the LORD; 'I will not be angry forever.

Ezekiel 16:42 (NCV)
42 Then I will rest from my anger against you, and I will stop being jealous. I will be quiet and not angry anymore.

Ezekiel 16:42 (NJB)
42 Once my fury is exhausted with you, then my jealousy will leave you; I shall be calm and not angry any more.

Micah 7:18 (GWT)
18 Who is a God like you? You forgive sin and overlook the rebellion of your faithful people. You will not be angry forever, because you would rather show mercy.


GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH ISRAEL!


IF you do not Have a bloodline to ISRAEL, you did not become a spiritual Israelite, and GRAPHED IN does not make you part of ISRAEL, just like a English Walnut NEVER produce BLACK WALNUTS even though English Walnuts are Graphed into a Black Walnut Trunk and Root System:

 
dcontroversal

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UnderGrace said:
My ears are hurting :(

At least you yelled with love cause I see you gave three hearts, is one of them for me, just curious?
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and after shaking the dust from her feet <---ooooooooh that really scares me....not really....I have trusted JESUS by faith and not only does he save eternally, he also KEEPS his word.....
 
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Keep spreading truth because, no matter how much travesty people share, the ignore feature will eventually ignore all that, and what remains is truth that we can read, and maybe meditate over and over again
 
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There are other scriptures Fred, I won't post them all but here is another. Perhaps the OSAS people ought to add a caveat?

"If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them."
2 Peter 2:20-22
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Simply unsaved. Wrong soil, tares etc.
Losing Salvation so called is quite impossible by the Words of Christ Himself.
 
VCO

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It is simple. People who belong to the OSAS brigade are saying it matters not, if a born again Christian, defects from the faith, or blasphemes God knowingly and deliberately, they will always be saved.

I do not think Christ will allow that. I do not think Jesus will say, "Well done my good and faithful servant."
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You are TOTALLY CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT WE TEACH, OR YOU ARE LYING. The People who taught you what OSAS Teaches, DID NOT know what we actually TEACH, and ALL OF IT WAS A MADE UP FALSE OPINION about our Beliefs.

What do you call a FALSEHOOD made up about someone else's BELIEFS ? ? ?

HERE IS WHAT GOD CALLS IT:


Proverbs 6:16-19 (ESV)
16 There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him:
17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil,
19 a false witness who breathes out lies, and
one who sows discord among brothers.


WHERE IS YOUR LOVE, . . . . . WE ARE NOT SEEING IT!
 
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BillG said:
Like footwashing?

Something us greasy gracers know nothing about.
After all we can sin all we want and still be saved, as we do not give two hoots.
Yeh party time.
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People do not understand that was a LEGITIMATE NEED. After walking on Dirt Roads all day, they had FILTHY FEET, and most places they stayed had a Servant to WASH their Feet, before they laid on those CLEAN CUSHIONS. It was an example that JESUS was willing to take the ROLE of a SERVANT, to wash their Filthy Feet.


 
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dcontroversal said:
and after shaking the dust from her feet <---ooooooooh that really scares me....not really....I have trusted JESUS by faith and not only does he save eternally, he also KEEPS his word.....
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I think understanding what Jesus accomplished brings tremendous humility, grace and peace, I do not see how one can be humble if one believes salvation is connected to one's self-effort, I just do not see it myself.

Someone once said to me that Paul would not have been able to use the phrase "Grace and Peace" unless salvation is completely secure in Christ, because there is no peace in conditional salvation, how can there be?

There is a huge disconnect in conditional salvation, I cannot wrap my head around it... probably a good thing!!
 
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Imagine if we can't trust the reliability of the ignore feature, yet Jesus is more reliable in sustaining salvation
 
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Debate-wise, how can one win against the opponent with their unfair rule in mind: flip a coin, heads I win, tails you lose
 
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UnderGrace said:
I think understanding what Jesus accomplished brings tremendous humility, grace and peace, I do not see how one can be humble if one believes salvation is connected to one's self-effort, I just do not see it myself.

Someone once said to me that Paul would not have been able to use the phrase "Grace and Peace" unless salvation is completely secure in Christ, because there is no peace in conditional salvation, how can there be?

There is a huge disconnect in conditional salvation, I cannot wrap my head around it... probably a good thing!!
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There is NO peace and or biblical hope in a self maintained salvation or salvation that can be lost...........NONE.....
 
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