99% of CC BDF First page is "lets figure out salvation"

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preston39

preston39

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Absolutely said:
Why are believers confused over salvation?
We see thread after thread on salvation.
One must go to page 2,or 3 to find another topic.
You have the cross skizm "ohhhh brutha ittttssss the crossssssss"
The works schizm" obey the law"
The greasy grace schizm "all your sins are forgiven,you do not repent. Hey even your future sins are forgiven....just relax,have a cigarrette and enjoy a secular life"

And on and on.
They Can't figure out salvation.
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Folks no longer...and never did properly...study scriptures.

Then you have the new age religion types which throw new , new age religion interpretations of the Bible into the mix. Then there are new Bible editions which are written to support the new, new age religion interpretations.

Example; recently Andy Stanley all of a sudden concludes that the ...Ten Commandments...or...G-d's commandments no longer apply to us under the new covenant, The Pope says...if G-d made you homosexual then He loves you as such. That is an absurd....interpretation;......extension;.....you are a drunkard, thief, murderer, etc, G-d made you that way so He loves you that way, et al.

No wonder the Bible tells us in no less than 14 places to not forget...common sense.
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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Folks no longer...and never did properly...study scriptures.

Then you have the new age religion types which throw new , new age religion interpretations of the Bible into the mix. Then there are new Bible editions which are written to support the new, new age religion interpretations.

Example; recently Andy Stanley all of a sudden concludes that the ...Ten Commandments...or...G-d's commandments no longer apply to us under the new covenant, The Pope says...if G-d made you homosexual then He loves you as such. That is an absurd....interpretation;......extension;.....you are a drunkard, thief, murderer, etc, G-d made you that way so He loves you that way, et al.

No wonder the Bible tells us in no less than 14 places to not forget...common sense.
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Does your church stone to death Adulterers?
Do you beat thieves to death?
What about disobedient children? What do you do to them?
Or how about Liars or those caught practicing witchcraft or Tarot card readings?

You are not under the law nor do you apply your principles in a manner that does not reek of hypocrisy and or error!!
 
Defenderofgrace

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@preston39 there is a way to believe the truth of 1 John 1:10 AND believe that you are saved

this way: believe that Christ had FULLY paid the penalty for your sins past, present, AND FUTURE
 
dcontroversal

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Defenderofgrace said:
@preston39 there is a way to believe the truth of 1 John 1:10 AND believe that you are saved

this way: believe that Christ had FULLY paid the penalty for your sins past, present, AND FUTURE
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When you owe a debt, and you pay the debt off, and get a receipt that says paid in full do you still owe on that debt?

It is finished = paid in FULL......and HE paid for the sin debt of the WHOLE world the bible states

and to the believer--->where sin abounds GRACE abounds the MORE <---this cannot apply to the LOST because they are CONDEMNED under the LAW

Your view totally devalues the work that Christ accomplished on the cross and it waters down HIS BLOOD.............MY bible is clear and MY DEBT has been settled and CANCELLED........

You on the other hand state clearly that YOU are still condemned by the stance you make...........either the blood is applied or it is not....!!
 
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dcontroversal said:
When you owe a debt, and you pay the debt off, and get a receipt that says paid in full do you still owe on that debt?

It is finished = paid in FULL......and HE paid for the sin debt of the WHOLE world the bible states

and to the believer--->where sin abounds GRACE abounds the MORE <---this cannot apply to the LOST because they are CONDEMNED under the LAW

Your view totally devalues the work that Christ accomplished on the cross and it waters down HIS BLOOD.............MY bible is clear and MY DEBT has been settled and CANCELLED........

You on the other hand state clearly that YOU are still condemned by the stance you make...........either the blood is applied or it is not....!!
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He pay the debt only for those who believe in Him, if He pay the whole world, than no body go to hell.

He pay every time we ask forgiveness, for the future debt, we have to repent and ask forgiveness
 
Defenderofgrace

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@Jackson123

we don't want to devalues the work that Christ accomplished on the cross and waters down HIS BLOOD

nor do we want to state that we are still condemned by the stance we make
 
I-Am-Murica

I-Am-Murica

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I have not taken a word you have posted since you first arrived seriously, I certainly see no reason now.

And I am sure Jesus was not laughing when he told this parable.
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Lol that's okay I find that is often the case in my adventures as a fool, despised of men, and a spectacle of men and angels to not be taken seriously. Kinda like a male Christian version of Cassandra of Troy I guess I am. At least you know it is true, a lot of the wicked unbelieving people in both high and low places think I'm just joking. Praise Jesus, you are very smart and correct too that Jesus retold this prophecy to the jews (not a parable, but a prophecy). Though I was moreso referring to the verse in Daniel which that goodly young man told to the very face of the First Beast king and the first man to conqueror the whole earth, Nebuchadnezzar. Down with Babylon, up with Jesus, hail Jesus for eternity.
 
dcontroversal

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Jackson123 said:
He pay the debt only for those who believe in Him, if He pay the whole world, than no body go to hell.

He pay every time we ask forgiveness, for the future debt, we have to repent and ask forgiveness
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Take it up wit GOD....and DO ANY OF YOU ACTUALLY READ AND BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD......I am truly sick of deceivers that DENY obvious scripture to peddle LIES

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
 
dcontroversal

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Defenderofgrace said:
@Jackson123

we don't want to devalues the work that Christ accomplished on the cross and waters down HIS BLOOD

nor do we want to state that we are still condemned by the stance we make
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TOO late he has already denied truth and then flat lied and said that the bible does not say something it states clearly

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
 
Defenderofgrace

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dcontroversal said:
Take it up wit GOD....and DO ANY OF YOU ACTUALLY READ AND BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD......I am truly sick of deceivers that DENY obvious scripture to peddle LIES

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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Propitiation means to atone (from dictionary)
 
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Defenderofgrace said:
@Jackson123

we don't want to devalues the work that Christ accomplished on the cross and waters down HIS BLOOD

nor do we want to state that we are still condemned by the stance we make
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I do not quite understand what do you mean by those statement

1. Jesus say, abide in me or you will,be like a branch that cast to fire

Did I devaluate his accomplished when I believe what He say? I believe when we not abide in Him, we go to fire because he said so.

2. You say we still condemned by the stance we make.

I think we can not make our stance to determine if we still condemned or not. If we not abide in Him than we still condemned. That not our stance or opinion. That is what jesus say in john 15.
 
I-Am-Murica

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dcontroversal said:
Does your church stone to death Adulterers?
Do you beat thieves to death?
What about disobedient children? What do you do to them?
Or how about Liars or those caught practicing witchcraft or Tarot card readings?

You are not under the law nor do you apply your principles in a manner that does not reek of hypocrisy and or error!!
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You know as I go back and read this I see this post and I think to myself, this is probably how ya'll let things get so bad. For clarity we don't need vigilantism, really the government should be cleansing the land and killing all the wicked whores, and faggots, and witches, and adulterers, and pagans, and idol worshippers, etc. They are certainly entrenched across America, particularly the degenerate liberal conquered states that belong now to Babylon and the foreigners as God expressly warned would happen if you did not cleanse the land and put the evil away from us. But the government does not do this but is actually in cahoots with them, meanwhile anyone who will express this fundamental truth will be derided. Oh how the darkness hates the light because their own deeds are so very wicked and deserving of all death! But I just relax because the good Lord Jesus is promised to return to miserably slay all those people and he will make them burn hellfire forever, praise Jesus!
 
Defenderofgrace

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Jackson123 said:
I do not quite understand what do you mean by those statement

1. Jesus say, abide in me or you will,be like a branch that cast to fire

Did I devaluate his accomplished when I believe what He say? I believe when we not abide in Him, we go to fire because he said so.

2. You say we still condemned by the stance we make.

I think we can not make our stance to determine if we still condemned or not. If we not abide in Him than we still condemned. That not our stance or opinion. That is what jesus say in john 15.
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What does 1 John 2:2 mean to you?
 
dcontroversal

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Jackson123 said:
I do not quite understand what do you mean by those statement

1. Jesus say, abide in me or you will,be like a branch that cast to fire

Did I devaluate his accomplished when I believe what He say? I believe when we not abide in Him, we go to fire because he said so.

2. You say we still condemned by the stance we make.

I think we can not make our stance to determine if we still condemned or not. If we not abide in Him than we still condemned. That not our stance or opinion. That is what jesus say in john 15.
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THE CONTEXT is FRUIT NOT SALVATION and IT IS MEN not GOD that casts into the FIRE and 1st CORINTHIANS 3 STATES EVERY MAN'S works will BE TRIED BY FIRE and REWARDED accordingly......WAKE UP man.....your GOSPEL is FALSE and you are CONFLATING two issues and is SO DOING in ERROR.......
 
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I-Am-Murica said:
You know as I go back and read this I see this post and I think to myself, this is probably how ya'll let things get so bad. For clarity we don't need vigilantism, really the government should be cleansing the land and killing all the wicked whores, and faggots, and witches, and adulterers, and pagans, and idol worshippers, etc. They are certainly entrenched across America, particularly the degenerate liberal conquered states that belong now to Babylon and the foreigners as God expressly warned would happen if you did not cleanse the land and put the evil away from us. But the government does not do this but is actually in cahoots with them, meanwhile anyone who will express this fundamental truth will be derided. Oh how the darkness hates the light because their own deeds are so very wicked and deserving of all death! But I just relax because the good Lord Jesus is promised to return to miserably slay all those people and he will make them burn hellfire forever, praise Jesus!
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PETER was clear......should we obey MEN or GOD........if one is UNDER THE LAW they MUST FOLLOW THE LAW......every JOT and TITTLE.....end of story!!!
 
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dcontroversal said:
Take it up wit GOD....and DO ANY OF YOU ACTUALLY READ AND BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD......I am truly sick of deceivers that DENY obvious scripture to peddle LIES

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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Is that verse mean every body in the world go to heaven?

Jesus only pay the sin for the believer not for every body and if you tell,me where the verse come from, I will read the context
 
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