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No EG? I truly do not!
Please expound!
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The op is “did jesus ever tell us we do not have to keep the “LAW OF MOSES”
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Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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The op is “did jesus ever tell us we do not have to keep the “LAW OF MOSES”
Can you now understand the context of our discussions?
That's a really good question EG! Was Saul, later Paul thinking of God when he committed the acts as a Pharisee prior to Damascus Road. Right?
Php 3:5-6 KJV Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; (6) Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Okay,
You are saying Saul lived as he did, by following the law. I think that is what you are saying.
So;
Act 26:9-11 NIV "I too was convinced that I ought to do all that was possible to oppose the name of Jesus of Nazareth. (10) And that is just what I did in Jerusalem. On the authority of the chief priests I put many of the saints in prison, and when they were put to death, I cast my vote against them. (11) Many a time I went from one synagogue to another to have them punished, and I tried to force them to blaspheme. In my obsession against them, I even went to foreign cities to persecute them.
He said "I too was convinced" Does Paul, then Saul cite the Torah? If not can you find the scripture justifying Sauls actions under the Torah?
Also; On the "authority of the chief priests". Really?! Did the chief Priests have the authority to send Saul after the "Christians"? I so, where in he Torah is this authority given? I am not saying it isn't but you are saying Saul was "following the Law" so you tell me.
Sorry for any typos...keyboard needs a good replacing!
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eternally-gratefull
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Philippians 3:6
as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless
I think paul shows both.. and also showed he followed the law.
The Father who thought it was so important, came down to give it to Moses.
Saw it corrupted by man, so in an effort for us to get the Spirit of if, and to KNOW the importance of it, as The Son, wrote it in our hearts and minds.
And when He left, sent the Comforter to help us walk this flesh life in obedience to it.
The only way for a Christian to deny the law written upon the heart and mind, is a TO NOT BE A CHRIST MAN.
The will of our fathers we will do.
But He answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them for this is the law and the prophets.
What is contained in the 2 commandments? To deny them is to deny Christ.
Who denies Christ?
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.
If you ARE NOT SERVING GOD, WHO ARE YOU SERVING?
Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
I am responsible for BECOMING a better, more like Christ person. With the help of the Holy Spirit I put this flesh in obedience, I want God to count on me when I am in my celestial body to reign with Christ for the Lords Day.
Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that He feared;
Hebrews 5:8 Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which he suffered
Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him
Hebrews 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
If God, the Son, while in the flesh learned obedience, and became the author unto them that obey, I thank God daily for the Comforter, the Holy Spirit that I depend on to keep me on that path, who without, I would not stand a chance. For me the Holy Spirit is "this little souls, this little creation of Gods' Guide, but the work is all mine as I progress toward perfection hopefully, knowing full good and well that even doing my absolute best, compared to the righteousness I will be meeting, it is all just filthy rags. But you know what? I am going to have a lot of filthy rags. As many as I can. Worst thing gonna happen is they all get tossed in the trash as I walk on past. But what if, and I can hope, those filthy rags get washed? What if???
I rejoice and Praise the Lord. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Satan, most definitely not here in person, but his spirit walks among us. The spiritual war is a lot more intense than I ever gave it credit for, but I don't anymore.
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Saw it corrupted by man, so in an effort for us to get the Spirit of if, and to KNOW the importance of it, as The Son, wrote it in our hearts and minds.
And when He left, sent the Comforter to help us walk this flesh life in obedience to it.
The only way for a Christian to deny the law written upon the heart and mind, is a TO NOT BE A CHRIST MAN.
The will of our fathers we will do.
But He answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them for this is the law and the prophets.
What is contained in the 2 commandments? To deny them is to deny Christ.
Who denies Christ?
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.
If you ARE NOT SERVING GOD, WHO ARE YOU SERVING?
Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
I am responsible for BECOMING a better, more like Christ person. With the help of the Holy Spirit I put this flesh in obedience, I want God to count on me when I am in my celestial body to reign with Christ for the Lords Day.
Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that He feared;
Hebrews 5:8 Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which he suffered
Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him
Hebrews 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
If God, the Son, while in the flesh learned obedience, and became the author unto them that obey, I thank God daily for the Comforter, the Holy Spirit that I depend on to keep me on that path, who without, I would not stand a chance. For me the Holy Spirit is "this little souls, this little creation of Gods' Guide, but the work is all mine as I progress toward perfection hopefully, knowing full good and well that even doing my absolute best, compared to the righteousness I will be meeting, it is all just filthy rags. But you know what? I am going to have a lot of filthy rags. As many as I can. Worst thing gonna happen is they all get tossed in the trash as I walk on past. But what if, and I can hope, those filthy rags get washed? What if???
I rejoice and Praise the Lord. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Satan, most definitely not here in person, but his spirit walks among us. The spiritual war is a lot more intense than I ever gave it credit for, but I don't anymore.
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
Will also add. That I think paul understood that although he was blameless according to the law. he was also guilty, which is why he needed Gods grace,
Can you give me something more than "I think" in reference to the acts of Saul and the High Priest? We are not talking about Paul, but Saul. You seem to be asserting that Saul "lived as he did, by following the law"? Is this what you were saying that Saul's and the High Priests actions were guided by the Torah?
Can we get past this point please?
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eternally-gratefull
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Paul told you how he lived
Phil 3: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee; 6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.
I am not going to try to twist pauls words and make him say something he never said. He spoke of his life as a pharisee
Once again, His ZEAL (persecuion) was not according to the law. But as a pharisee, He was blamless accordimg to the law.
Why can you not just take Paul at his word?
Okay, so you are saying that the Torah or the Law justified his actions, but that the Holy Spirit convicted him?
That's what I thought you were saying and I'm not jumping up and down saying Oh Boy, I got you now! I'm just trying to understand how you confirm that the Law justified His actions.
You mean don't do this?;
Act 17:11 NIV Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
You are not making sense. Paul commends, almost insists that we be like the Bereans and when I ask where you confirmed your assertion of what you feel Paul claimed was justification for what Saul did you say; "Why can you not just take Paul at his word?" [/QUOTE]
I don't think so EG, please take the time to backup your assertion of simply retract it.
The spiritual man knows where his righteousness comes from.
The spiritual man knows that it is NOT from a written law.
It's written in the bible. I've shown you.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
No
i am saying paul thought he was righteous according to the law
But when he was convicted, He understand the law he THOUGHT made him righteous. Actually PROVED how unrighteous he was.
In his own words the law acted as a schoolmaster to lead him to christ. But after that, he no longer needed a schoolmaster, it had completed its job. Now the life he lives, he lives to christ by walking in the spirit by doing thigs by which no law could help
As a pharisee, he thought he was perfect
As a believer in christ he realized he was unrighteous and how the law which he thought made him righteous. Instead convicted and condemned him. As Moses said. If they do nt. O bey every letter. They are cursed.
Okay, That's an important aspect of your walk that helps me know your take on many things. I appreciate you sharing this.
Do you identify with or claim any particular religion or denomination?
Sincerely SG
Romans 1:7
To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people
Romans 1:14-15
I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish.
Romans 1:16
to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
Romans 2:17
Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God
Romans 6:3
all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus
Romans 8:23
we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit
Also @SimpleGardner
Notice this:
Romans 9:3-4
For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race, the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.
He says of 'his own people'
"theirs"
not "ours"
from this we may conclude he is not using divided kingdom terminology but strictly united, and that he is not speaking only Hebrew people but mixed ethnicity.
I did not mean to send that question. It was for something else and I thought I erased it, but when I get done making my fermented sauerkraut I will get after it, and get to the matter together with you! Thanks Brother!
SG
I did not mean to send that question. It was for something else and I thought I erased it, but when I get done making my fermented sauerkraut I will get after it, and get to the matter together with you! Thanks Brother!
I love sauerkraut!
Not in my opinion! 
But many call picked Kraut legit. Hey it is sour-sauer cabbage-kraut, but not in the traditional sense. Tasty I'm sure but no live cultures huh?
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Karraster
Guest
Once it's pasteurized, what's the point? Just another dead food item we purchase off the shelf that doesn't nourish our body. Making it at home is wonderfully, good for you. Have you tried Kimchee? I make the vegan style imitation, so good!
But many call picked Kraut legit. Hey it is sour-sauer cabbage-kraut, but not in the traditional sense. Tasty I'm sure but no live cultures huh?
I'll be checking back to see what you have to say about Paul. He's probably the most controversial person in the scripture. I don't understand all he says, but one thing I know for sure...unless one has a good grasp on Torah there is no way to understand Paul.