4 of Satan’s biggest lies to born-again believers

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TheDivineWatermark

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Nehemiah6 said:
How is this relevant?
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It's not.

It's more like stepping foot [by faith] onto a "high-speed rail" and being assured of your destination-point. During the ride, you might decide to go against the "rules" of this rail, by standing on your head (thus likely needing the barf bag), hanging from the ceiling (thus bludgeoning the other nearby passengers in the head), sticking your arms out the windows (thus potentially loosing limbs), running up and down the aisle (thus hindering others and blocking any of the stewards/stewardesses [if there is such a thing on those rails, I've never been on one, lol]), taking up a whole row of seats as you spread out to lounge (thus costing others a seat and wasting space or making the old lady that was supposed to sit there, have to sit on Fred's lap)... [etc]


[Jesus = the "high-speed rail"... "I AM THE WAY" (NO "failure" there!)]
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Paul said 3 times we are sealed UNTIL the day of redemption. And in no case any time did he give any exception which would cause that seal to be lost. Before that time.

I suggest you listen to paul. And not the ones telling you this stuff. Because they are wrong.
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Providing YOU maintain and YOU don't break the seal.
You serve no purpose by spinning G-d's intent.
 
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preston39 said:
Providing YOU don't break the seal.
You serve no purpose by spinning G-d's intent.
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Paul never said that

Your adding to the word

Paul said all 3 times, We are SEALED UNTIL the day of redemption. At no time did he says unless we break the seal.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Paul never said that

Your adding to the word

Paul said all 3 times, We are SEALED UNTIL the day of redemption. At no time did he says unless we break the seal.
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Amen! In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
 
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^ Yep, "...of the purchased/acquired possession [one word in the Grk, G4047 peripoieseos/peripoiesis]..." (I love that part!)


"4047 peripoíēsis (from 4012 /perí, "all-around" and 4160 /poiéō, "make") – properly, make one's own; completely obtain, i.e. as a full possession (to real advantage, LS) [...]"
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
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It's not......and exactly why the salvation losers and workers for will find out one day that their dogma was false.....they devalue JESUS down to stupid worldly examples with no bearing whatsoever at all on the truthful concept that JESUS saves eternally by faith.......and if he needs our help to keep us saved he is a very weak god with a small "g"
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Paul said 3 times we are sealed UNTIL the day of redemption. And in no case any time did he give any exception which would cause that seal to be lost. Before that time.

I suggest you listen to paul. And not the ones telling you this stuff. Because they are wrong.
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These guys act like salvation is washing machine on the East SIDE......clean, dirty, lost, re-saved.....clean, dirty, lost, re-saved etc. and the funny thing...NONE of them have ever lost salvation..........they always walk righteous and holy........makes me want to spew
 
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Gregoryp said:
Just because Jesus has refurbished you back to new, doesn't mean he has the responsibility of keeping you that way , you have to be as sin free as possible, worship God etc, do all the things that the bible tells you to do . Its a gift, its up to you to maintain it. Saving puppies and kittens from the animal shelter won't get you to heaven either
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Wrong....he refurbished nothing...we are a NEW creation in Christ JESUS
wrong.....It is all his work and sustaining power...He that began a new work in you WILL complete it
Wrong....Where sin abounds grace abounds the more <--written to believers
Wrong...We maintain nothing.....HE upholds us by his power and KEEPS us by his power

The only thing you said that was correct....the bolded.....!!
 
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BCsenior said:
FYI, this verse refers to people before they become born-again.
Then, at that instant, they are declared righteous, and etc.

After, if they're practicing righteousness, they remain righteous in God's eyes!
Would you like to see ALL of the NT verses about "practicing righteousness".
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FALSE.......JESUS, while on the planet with saved immersed disciples and apostles said there was none good but GOD.......and even said this in light of the rich dude calling him GOOD master.........
 
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dcontroversal said:
Would you like to see ALL of the NT verses about "practicing righteousness".

FALSE.......
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Then, is there any hope for people like you?
Ignoring and rejecting NT verses which are there to help you!
Deceived, lied to, brainwashed, ignorant, stubborn, prideful, stupid, not a BAC?
This is a multiple choice question ... How many of these apply?
 
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BCsenior said:
Then, is there any hope for people like you?
Ignoring and rejecting NT verses which are there to help you!
Deceived, lied to, brainwashed, ignorant, stubborn, prideful, stupid, not a BAC?
This is a multiple choice question ... How many of these apply?
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here is a question for you that none of you sinless perfectionist will answer-

if an amount of sin that a person commits will disqualify them from salvation, how much, how often, how many times does the person get forgiveness if they confess and ask?
 
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BCsenior said:
Are you involved in habitual sin, i.e. unrepentant sin?
If so, you are NOT in a state (condition) of salvation ...
UNTIL you sincerely repent, i.e. stop doing that sin, or those sins.

Now, perhaps the LORD will not allow such a person to die ...
UNTIL he/she sincerely repents, i.e. stops doing that sin, or those sins.
That's entirely possible.
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For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
Romans 7:14‭-‬25 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/rom.7.14-25.NASB
 
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gb9 said:
here is a question for you that none of you sinless perfectionist will answer-

if an amount of sin that a person commits will disqualify them from salvation, how much, how often, how many times does the person get forgiveness if they confess and ask?
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Yes it is true, we have asked repeatedly and what have we noticed @gb9 they have no answer.
 
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BCsenior said:
How many trillions of times do I have to repeat ...

All of your above was true INITIALLY when you were born-again (if you actually were).
However, all that you initially received must be MAINTAINED through obedience, etc.
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BC senior,
I am with you that Scripture does not teach once saved, always saved. We are saved by grace through faith and not of works. I completely agree with you on the importance and on the blessing of works for the Christian life.

I, however, do not believe that works are what keep us saved - or, in other words, we do not do works to maintain our salvation. Our salvation was by grace through faith: this is the say way that we stay saved - by grace through faith: the works then are God working through us - Eph. 2:10 - we are his workmanship.

Gal 3:2,3: This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Chester
 
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BCsenior said:
Then, is there any hope for people like you?
Ignoring and rejecting NT verses which are there to help you!
Deceived, lied to, brainwashed, ignorant, stubborn, prideful, stupid, not a BAC?
This is a multiple choice question ... How many of these apply?
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You need to wash your mouth out man.. This is not becoming of a child of God.

And you claim to be sinless?? (If this is what you claim??) :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 
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gb9 said:
here is a question for you that none of you sinless perfectionist will answer-

if an amount of sin that a person commits will disqualify them from salvation, how much, how often, how many times does the person get forgiveness if they confess and ask?
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LOL! I am not a sinless perfectionist; nor am I a OSAS, and neither am I a "works to maintain salvationer", but your question is an easy one to answer.

Forgivness is not based on a person saying the right words to God! Forgiveness is based on a person having faith in Jesus in Jesus blood sacrifice and agreeing with God (confession) about sin. My Lord and Saviour is not counting how many times I sin. Every sin I commit as a born again believer is forgiven because of the blood of Jesus. (By the way, I am way over 490 (70 x 7) - I sure am glad He does not count!)
 
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Chester said:
LOL! I am not a sinless perfectionist; nor am I a OSAS, and neither am I a "works to maintain salvationer", but your question is an easy one to answer.

Forgivness is not based on a person saying the right words to God! Forgiveness is based on a person having faith in Jesus in Jesus blood sacrifice and agreeing with God (confession) about sin. My Lord and Saviour is not counting how many times I sin. Every sin I commit as a born again believer is forgiven because of the blood of Jesus. (By the way, I am way over 490 (70 x 7) - I sure am glad He does not count!)
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Yet you think you have to earn your salvation by continuing in faith.

Why do you not trust God to keep you. And not yourself?
 
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