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You are correct. Dt 1:4 Bashan (good job)Bashon! It might not be spelled right. I didn't look it up.
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Regardless of being dealt in measure....faith is faith....and even the smallest amount (mustard seed) can move mountains..........Yes, faith is faith but, there are different levels of faith and in each level there are various measures.
Oftentimes, Yeshua/Jesus would respond, “So be it unto you according to your faith.”
Faith is given to us by our Father in Heaven. It is Heavenly knowledge that we cannot refute or deny - we immediately know it is TRUE and act upon it.
The Father gives faith to us at different levels and measures- it’s how we receive our needs from Him.
Not sure if any of this makes sense to you but, ponder faith and ask the Father questions about it..... enjoy your conversation!
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What did Saul's son Jonathon do that caused him a death penalty that the people had to vote to save him?
He ate some honey after Saul declared a fast?
Question: When Paul was on his sea voyage, what did believers at Cyprus warn him about?
Hmm.......was it that he would be chained and put in prison at Jerusalem?
Hmm.......was it that he would be chained and put in prison at Jerusalem?
I am sorry, I was a little off. They had left Cyprus and the believers were at Tyre. Your answer was close. It just says they warned him not to go to Jerusalem.
The stone was already rolled away.
Question: What did the women do after they notice the stone rolled away?
Actually to fit them both together, you will notice Matt. 28:1 simply states when the women came. Then in verse 2 we are told the reason the stone "was" removed. Past tense. It looks like (28:2) he just did roll it away but that would make John's account in error. The angel descending and the earthquake could have happened way before then. Remember, we are working with second-hand narratives.
Actually to fit them both together, you will notice Matt. 28:1 simply states when the women came. Then in verse 2 we are told the reason the stone "was" removed. Past tense. It looks like (28:2) he just did roll it away but that would make John's account in error. The angel descending and the earthquake could have happened way before then. Remember, we are working with second-hand narratives.
Thanks Deade, I wasn't sure about that but was ready to concede the point however I checked and it is crystal clear that the women (and guards) witness the whole thing - the angel comes and rolls back the stone which frightens them, then talks to them and tells them to not to fear.
Well to that I can only say "no idea". My opinion is that if there was an earthquake it would be quite an oversight for there to be no other record of it even in the other gospels.
If only we knew someone who was actually there we could ask...
@Deade and @SinnerByDesign - Interesting questions you two have got me searching over the order of events at the tomb on resurrection morning. I've listed all the gospel accounts, perhaps all together we can put the events in order..........
Matthew 28:1-10 King James Version (KJV)
28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
Mark 16:1-11 King James Version (KJV)
16 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
Luke 24:1-12 King James Version (KJV)
24 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
8 And they remembered his words,
9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
10 It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
John 20:1-18 King James Version (KJV)
20 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
Matthew 28:1-10 King James Version (KJV)
28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
Mark 16:1-11 King James Version (KJV)
16 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
Luke 24:1-12 King James Version (KJV)
24 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
8 And they remembered his words,
9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
10 It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
John 20:1-18 King James Version (KJV)
20 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
My guess is.....
It is still dark or right before dawn, just as Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James (I think this is Yeshua/Jesus' mother) are approaching they hear and feel the earthquake and discover the stone rolled away and the guards running off so they assume the guards took the Lord's body away and the two Marys immediately turn and run to tell Peter.
Peter and John run to the tomb along with the other women all running back to the tomb too. Peter and John discover it empty. Peter is a bit confused (and feeling a tad guilty because of his denial) but, John is thinking Yeshua/Jesus is possibly alive from the dead. Peter and John leave.
Mary Magdalene is really upset now thinking the Lord's body has been stolen and Peter and John are doing nothing about it. She stoops to peek inside the tomb and sees two angels that ask her why she is weeping. She answers them, "because someone has taken the body of my Lord."
Then, Yeshua/Jesus appears behind her outside the tomb and also asks her why she weeps. Mary Magdalene turns to explain and thinks He is the Gardner. It is Yeshua/Jesus and she recognizes His voice but His appearance is different. He says, "Mary" and she immediately says, "Rabboni, Master!"
Then, the rest of the women who had been focused on the angels turn and see the Lord. All the women fall down and worship Him at His feet but are instructed not to touch Him. He instructs Mary to go and tell His disciples He will meet them in Galilee - first He must ascend to the Father in Heaven.
The angels instruct the other women of the same, to go and tell the disciples that Yeshua/Jesus is alive and He will meet them in Galilee and be sure to tell Peter.
Mary Magdalene and the other women arrive and tell the 11 disciples most of which do not believe. Peter then runs out to the tomb one more time alone only to find the linen clothes just as they were when he and John had seen them earlier.
Later, just as Yeshua/Jesus had said, He meets them in Galilee!
Well, that's my understanding of the order of events so that it makes sense to me. However, we can all easily see it differently.....
It is still dark or right before dawn, just as Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James (I think this is Yeshua/Jesus' mother) are approaching they hear and feel the earthquake and discover the stone rolled away and the guards running off so they assume the guards took the Lord's body away and the two Marys immediately turn and run to tell Peter.
Peter and John run to the tomb along with the other women all running back to the tomb too. Peter and John discover it empty. Peter is a bit confused (and feeling a tad guilty because of his denial) but, John is thinking Yeshua/Jesus is possibly alive from the dead. Peter and John leave.
Mary Magdalene is really upset now thinking the Lord's body has been stolen and Peter and John are doing nothing about it. She stoops to peek inside the tomb and sees two angels that ask her why she is weeping. She answers them, "because someone has taken the body of my Lord."
Then, Yeshua/Jesus appears behind her outside the tomb and also asks her why she weeps. Mary Magdalene turns to explain and thinks He is the Gardner. It is Yeshua/Jesus and she recognizes His voice but His appearance is different. He says, "Mary" and she immediately says, "Rabboni, Master!"
Then, the rest of the women who had been focused on the angels turn and see the Lord. All the women fall down and worship Him at His feet but are instructed not to touch Him. He instructs Mary to go and tell His disciples He will meet them in Galilee - first He must ascend to the Father in Heaven.
The angels instruct the other women of the same, to go and tell the disciples that Yeshua/Jesus is alive and He will meet them in Galilee and be sure to tell Peter.
Mary Magdalene and the other women arrive and tell the 11 disciples most of which do not believe. Peter then runs out to the tomb one more time alone only to find the linen clothes just as they were when he and John had seen them earlier.
Later, just as Yeshua/Jesus had said, He meets them in Galilee!
Well, that's my understanding of the order of events so that it makes sense to me. However, we can all easily see it differently.....
When the women that beheld the holy sepulcher's song as sung by the medieval virgin saints numbered among the 144,000 of the Apocalypse of Christ, praise Jesus!
My guess is.....
It is still dark or right before dawn, just as Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James (I think this is Yeshua/Jesus' mother) are approaching they hear and feel the earthquake and discover the stone rolled away and the guards running off so they assume the guards took the Lord's body away and the two Marys immediately turn and run to tell Peter.
Peter and John run to the tomb along with the other women all running back to the tomb too. Peter and John discover it empty. Peter is a bit confused (and feeling a tad guilty because of his denial) but, John is thinking Yeshua/Jesus is possibly alive from the dead. Peter and John leave.
Mary Magdalene is really upset now thinking the Lord's body has been stolen and Peter and John are doing nothing about it. She stoops to peek inside the tomb and sees two angels that ask her why she is weeping. She answers them, "because someone has taken the body of my Lord."
Then, Yeshua/Jesus appears behind her outside the tomb and also asks her why she weeps. Mary Magdalene turns to explain and thinks He is the Gardner. It is Yeshua/Jesus and she recognizes His voice but His appearance is different. He says, "Mary" and she immediately says, "Rabboni, Master!"
Then, the rest of the women who had been focused on the angels turn and see the Lord. All the women fall down and worship Him at His feet but are instructed not to touch Him. He instructs Mary to go and tell His disciples He will meet them in Galilee - first He must ascend to the Father in Heaven.
The angels instruct the other women of the same, to go and tell the disciples that Yeshua/Jesus is alive and He will meet them in Galilee and be sure to tell Peter.
Mary Magdalene and the other women arrive and tell the 11 disciples most of which do not believe. Peter then runs out to the tomb one more time alone only to find the linen clothes just as they were when he and John had seen them earlier.
Later, just as Yeshua/Jesus had said, He meets them in Galilee!
Well, that's my understanding of the order of events so that it makes sense to me. However, we can all easily see it differently.....
Sounds okay to me. The unbelief is what strikes me as strange. Stranger still is they write this unbelief into their narrative. Humble fellows.
Which Apostle always referred to himself as the one the Jesus loved?
