Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

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Nat2019

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mailmandan said:
Not at all, yet one of your main purposes here is to destroy OSAS which doesn't surprise me since you teach salvation by faith + WORKS. Those who live in fear and bondage to IN-security because they are trusting in their performance to save them are usually quick to attack those who have assurance of salvation through faith IN CHRIST ALONE.
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Believing in Christ alone (minus) love or any other good works. What good is OSAS doing for the world, when they are so against good works. Good works are legalism, good works are self righteousness etc ect. Theres nothing wrong with good works or obediance to God. It's not legalism, it's not self righteousness. If the world was full of OSAS- anti good works believers, what kind of world would it be now:(
 
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Nat2019 said:
Yes no modifications. Faith alone- love= OSAS doctrine. No works, no love.

OSAS believers dont believe in "good works" and it shows by their behavior. Good works = legalism. NO LOVE= OSAS gospel.
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There is no need for your straw man arguments. Salvation is through FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE which means the moment that we place our faith (belief, trust, reliance) in CHRIST ALONE for salvation, we are saved. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Praise God! :)

Trusting in works for salvation instead of in CHRIST ALONE is legalism.

In regards to love: Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

1 John 4:19 - We love Him because He first loved us.
 
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Nat2019 said:
Believing in Christ alone (minus) love or any other good works. What good is OSAS doing for the world, when they are so against good works. Good works are legalism, good works are self righteousness etc ect. Theres nothing wrong with good works or obediance to God. It's not legalism, it's not self righteousness. If the world was full of OSAS- anti good works believers, what kind of world would it be now:(
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Nat2019 said:
Yes no modifications. Faith alone- love= OSAS doctrine. No works, no love.

OSAS believers dont believe in " good works" and it shows by their behavior. Good works = legalism. NO LOVE= OSAS gospel.
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This shows a total misunderstanding.

Not only of Salvation but of Christianity in general.
 
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mailmandan said:
There is no need for your straw man arguments. Salvation is through FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE which means the moment that we place our faith (belief, trust, reliance) in CHRIST ALONE for salvation, we are saved. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Praise God! :)

Trusting in works for salvation instead of in CHRIST ALONE is legalism.

In regards to love: Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

1 John 4:19 - We love Him because He first loved us.
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Theres nothing wrong with Good works that God want us to do. Its not legalism or selfrighteosness. Its loving God.
 
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Nat2019 said:
Judas lost his thrown through denying Jesus and committing suicide.
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Scripture says this, instead: "[another] to take the place of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas turned aside to go to the own place" (or, in the ylt, ..."[another] to receive the share of this ministration and apostleship, from which Judas, by transgression, did fall, to go on to his proper place;" Acts 1:25... so this is just saying, he turned aside from what he had (not the far-future thing [1 of the 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel] he didn't have [and wouldn't have])
 
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I never knew you.

If once saved always saved were indeed true, that is a statement that could never be made. Or "saved" is not being taught correctly.

The man came to the wedding without a garment. He thought he was supposed to be there. Someone must have not explained what "saved" really was, he thought..but

The virgins didn't have enough oil in their lamps.

many are called few chosen.

otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
 
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DeighAnn said:
I never knew you.

If once saved always saved were indeed true, that is a statement that could never be made. Or "saved" is not being taught correctly.

The man came to the wedding without a garment. He thought he was supposed to be there. Someone must have not explained what "saved" really was, he thought..but

The virgins didn't have enough oil in their lamps.

many are called few chosen.

otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
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Yes some will be "cut off"
 
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mailmandan said:
Faith works through love (Galatians 5:6) and faith IN CHRIST ALONE saves. (Ephesians 2:8,9) What did Paul say in Ephesians 2:8-9? Saved through faith plus works? NO. Faith "apart from additions or modifications." Faith (rightly understood) IN CHRIST ALONE. (y)
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Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

1. Faith expressed through love - perfect, not love being expressed through faith.

2. Love and faith are two different things, love being the greatest of the two.

3. There's no way salvation can be through faith alone if faith is expressed through love yet love and faith are two different things.(logic)

4. Absolutely no connection between faith (inward conviction) and good works. There's however, a connection between love and good works.

5. The verses you quoted do not support salvation through faith alone but faith together with love.
 
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mailmandan said:
There is no need for your straw man arguments. Salvation is through FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE which means the moment that we place our faith (belief, trust, reliance) in CHRIST ALONE for salvation, we are saved. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Praise God! :)

Trusting in works for salvation instead of in CHRIST ALONE is legalism.

In regards to love: Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

1 John 4:19 - We love Him because He first loved us.
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So if someone is not showing love constantly are they born of God?
 
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DeighAnn said:
guts don't fall out when you hang yourself
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Acts 1
Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
 
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DeighAnn said:
Acts 1
Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
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There are two different scriptures. Weird
 
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