The Bottomless Pit is neither Hades, nor Hell, nor Tartarus

[Nehemiah6]

Is this a black hole where God can get rid of all the evil of the universe?

The Bottomless Pit (filled with smoke) would be under the earth, near the core of the earth (which is extremely hot), and extending far enough so that -- for all intents and purposes -- it has no bottom. Black holes are in outer space. The demons coming out of it in future are a vast number of horrific creatures as described in Revelation 9.

• Their ranks appear as an army of devouring locusts spreading over the earth.
• Their venom is like that of scorpions but without producing instant death.
• They have the bodies of horses.
• They have the faces of men.
• They have hair like women, and crowns on their heads.
• They have teeth like those of lions.
• They have breastplates which appear to be made of iron.
• They have wings which make a tremendous sound.
• They have tails like scorpions, with the stings in their tails.
• Their venom would produce excruciating pain but would not result in death.
• Their work is limited to five months only, during which men would seek death but would not die.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Is the bottomless pit a real place, or is it a reference to Satan on a leash.

Everything tells us that it is a real place, just like Sheol/Hades, Gehenna (the Lake of Fire), and Tartarus are real places. It is God who has given us these revelations.

 

[JamOn]

Post 34

that appears to be joking, he didn’t know about the word he said, and in post 45# the poster thanks the person for telling him, that is what it looks like to me. was there some issues before or something else I’m not seeing it. if it was me I’d probably would have ask what do you mean by got to love it, I can’t see a true negative statement from such a short one.

 

[Nehemiah6]

How does the beast ascend out of the bottomless pit, when Satan is the prince of the power of the air, and walks about, seeking whom he may devour.

It is the Antichrist who ascends out of the Bottomless Pit. Therefore he is a demon who assumes a human body, but is under the total control of Satan, with supernatural powers. Thus he is the Son of Perdition (child of damnation).

 

[Nehemiah6]

that appears to be joking, he didn’t know about the word he said, and in post 45# the poster thanks the person for telling him...

We would be further ahead not to be discussing posters, and then going down that rabbit hole.

 

[JamOn]

We would be further ahead not to be discussing posters, and then going down that rabbit hole.

Maybe so, but it’s a free to speak still isn’t it, one day that probably won’t be either. I’ve ask the question I’ll ask you what different would knowing the pit from hell or hades or anything else in how it’s translated deemed for the damned, I don’t want no parts of it do you?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Is the bottomless pit a real place, or is it a reference to Satan on a leash.

Satan is on a leash right now, and can only influence so much in the world, and cannot influence with all his deception.

Good day Matt!

You are correct! Regarding your concern above, that if Satan is the prince of the power of the air, then how can he be in the Abyss in order to have to come out of it at a future time? The answer to that, is that Satan is not the beast referred to as the one being in the Abyss, but is referring to another fallen angel who once was out in the world, but at some point was Imprisoned in the Abyss.

At the sounding of the 5th trumpet we are given the information regarding these demonic beings representing locusts with tails and stings like that of a scorpion. In Rev.9:11 it states that these demonic beings have a ruler over them, the angel of the Abyss. Since we know that scripture states that Satan roams about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour and that we as believers are warned to take up our shields of faith in order to quell his arrows, then he can't possibly be the angel of that is currently restricted in the Abyss.

In further support of this beast currently being restricted in the Abyss, Rev.11:11 tells us that the beast will come up out of the Abyss and will kill the two witnesses. Likewise Rev.17:8 says "The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The meaning here is that both scriptures show that he will be coming up out of the Abyss demonstrating that he is currently in there. In addition to this, the following scriptures demonstrate that Satan and the beast of the Abyss, as being two individual entities as can be seen from the following:

"The dragon/Satan gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority."

"People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against him?”

In Rev.9:1-2, we see that a key is required to open the Abyss, which means that unless it is opened nothing can come out or go in. Likewise in Rev.20:1-3, we see another angel that, after throwing Satan into the Abyss, it requires a key to lock it back up again.

Also, as Nehemiah was saying, the Abyss is a literal place that is underneath the earth. In support of this, John says that a star/angel had fallen from heaven to the earth and was given the key to the Abyss, where at which time he opens the shaft to the Abyss. The fact that he fell from heaven to the earth would demonstrate that it is not a black hole, but is an opening on the earths surface which leads down into the bowels of the earth and is where these demonic locusts come out of.

In regards to the Abyss being a literal place, we have other scriptures which support this. Consider the following:

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"They sailed to the region of the Gerasenes, across the lake from Galilee. When Jesus stepped ashore, He was met by a demon-possessed man from the town. For a long time this man had not worn clothing or lived in a house, but he stayed in the tombs.

When the man saw Jesus, he cried out and fell down before Him, shouting in a loud voice, “What do You want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You not to torture me!” For Jesus had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. Many times it had seized him, and though he was bound with chains and shackles, he had broken the chains and been driven by the demon into solitary places.

“What is your name?” Jesus asked.

“Legion,” he replied, because many demons had gone into him. And the demons kept begging Jesus not to order them to go into the Abyss.
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In conclusion, Satan is and has been out and about continuing to deceive the inhabitants of the earth. In opposition, this beast who is the angel of the Abyss, will come out at the sounding of the 5th trumpet when the Abyss is opened by that angel. At that time Satan figuratively as the dragon, will give his power, great authority and his throne to the beast. I believe that this beast who comes up out of the Abyss will be the power behind the antichrist, the man of lawlessness.

 

[Journeyman]

First of all, if by saying "Jesus bound Satan" as referring to Him being bound in the Abyss, that is false. Though Jesus overcame Satan and the powers of darkness at the cross, his binding in the Abyss is a future event which will take place when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. To be clear, Satan's binding in the Abyss is not to be spiritualized as taking place at the Cross.

I'm aware of what your understanding is, but we don't need anything except the gospel of our dear Lord Jesus to open the eyes of anyone on earth who believes,

that he should deceive the nations no more Rev.20:3

I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth Isa.49:6

In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one."

So we are told to be on our guard by taking up the shield of faith in order to extinguish the flaming arrows of the evil one.

I understand. Satan is powerless by faith in Jesus.

The Abyss is a literal place. And I never said anything regarding satisfaction. The Abyss is a place where certain demons are imprisoned.

The Abyss is the current place of Apollyon and his army of demons resembling locusts (Rev.9:1-11)

The Abyss is the place that the demons collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to order them into (Luke 8:30)

The Abyss is the place that Satan is going to be thrown into when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age (Rev.20:1-3)

And what's the common denominator in all these things?

 

[Lanolin]

The Bottomless Pit (filled with smoke) would be under the earth, near the core of the earth (which is extremely hot), and extending far enough so that -- for all intents and purposes -- it has no bottom. Black holes are in outer space. The demons coming out of it in future are a vast number of horrific creatures as described in Revelation 9.

• Their ranks appear as an army of devouring locusts spreading over the earth.
• Their venom is like that of scorpions but without producing instant death.
• They have the bodies of horses.
• They have the faces of men.
• They have hair like women, and crowns on their heads.
• They have teeth like those of lions.
• They have breastplates which appear to be made of iron.
• They have wings which make a tremendous sound.
• They have tails like scorpions, with the stings in their tails.
• Their venom would produce excruciating pain but would not result in death.
• Their work is limited to five months only, during which men would seek death but would not die.

Ok
But arent black holes the remnants of collapsed stars or planets.
Also Jesus did mention something about the outer darkness.

He also said something about how heaven and earth will pass away, but my words wont pass away.

The core of the earth...has an intense gravitational pull. That would be like a black hole. No light can escape. Its just darkness. Why assume black holes are only in outer space or future when the Bible seems to describe one right here. Where else would everything not belonging to God go?

 

[Nehemiah6]

But arent black holes the remnants of collapsed stars or planets.

Yes. And the Bottomless Pit is under the earth's surface. No connection.

 

[Lanolin]

Yes. And the Bottomless Pit is under the earth's surface. No connection.

Ok i thought there was cos it sounds Very similar.
You sound suspiciously sure of yourself. Are you right all the time? Have you ever been wrong?

So when heaven and earth pass away, what is left but a black hole? And then the new heaven and earth come with Jesus...as far as I understand it.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I'm aware of what your understanding is, but we don't need anything except the gospel of our dear Lord Jesus to open the eyes of anyone on earth who believes,

that he should deceive the nations no more Rev.20:3

I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth Isa.49:6

I understand. Satan is powerless by faith in Jesus.

And what's the common denominator in all these things?

I don't understand the point of your response here.

My point is that the Abyss is a real place, mentioned in other scriptures.

And since it stated that Satan will be seize and thrown into the literal Abyss, then that is exactly what is going to happen when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. Since Satan will be imprisoned under the earth in the Abyss, he will have no access to the surface of the earth in order to deceive its inhabitants, until the end of the thousand years when he will be released for one last rebellion. Heaven and earth will be Satan free for a thousand years!

 

[Nehemiah6]

So when heaven and earth pass away, what is left but a black hole? And then the new heaven and earth come with Jesus...as far as I understand it.

Here is the definition of a black hole: BLACK HOLES ARE points in space that are so dense they create deep gravity sinks. Beyond a certain region, not even light can escape the powerful tug of a black hole's gravity. And anything that ventures too close—be it star, planet, or spacecraft—will be stretched and compressed like putty in a theoretical process aptly known as spaghettification.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/space/universe/black-holes/

But this is not what will happen when the New Heavens and the New Earth are established. The surface (and probably sub-surface) of the earth and the atmospheric heavens will be supernaturally burned up, all the heavenly bodies will disappear, and then there will be a New Heavens and a New Earth which are completely purified (2 Peter 3). Since there will be no need for Hades, there will also be no need for the Bottomless Pit, or Tartarus. They all will cease to exist.

All evil spirits and demons, and all the unsaved, will be in the Lake of Fire. And only the Lake of Fire will be in outer darkness (probably outside space).

 

[garee]

Make no mistake pal...I was not angry when I posted that

Thanks brother. Man's anger can blind a persons reasoning and he could end up make a fool of himself with a mouthy flippant remark .

For once....What was the point in you saying that?

Proverbs 26:4-5

 

[garee]

There was absolutely no mischaracterization. Did you read this?

"It is not a literal pit and neither is it a literal chain in that parable.. The keys in that parable represent the gospel..."

Garee is misrepresenting God and God's Word with this cavalier painting of everything as non-literal and a parable. He might as well call everything in the Bible a fable.

I am not an artist. I draw stick people. I did not offer that prophecy are simply fables. Its not without fables Christ spoke not. Hiding the spiritual understanding of fables. That would not make any sense.

What would be the purpose for that manner of prophecy?

If parables are fables.. What would we do with the key needed to understand the hidden things of God, the gospel as a another level of understanding. The signified language of God. Define fables?

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

There are many historically true as well as spiritual or gospel revealing true parables .. The word in a figure in the verse below comes from the word parable you could say. . . in a parable the gospel is revealed. Using Abraham to represent our on seen Holy father and Isaac the Son of Man, Jesus. .


Hebrews 11:18-20 King James Version (KJV) Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure. By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.

By faith the unseen workings of God

The same applies to the whole time period in every event When God gave over the faithless Jew to do that which they should not of their became were Kings in Israel a Pagan tradition..


All of the ceremonial laws and every metaphor as a shadow were used as parables to preach the suffering of Christ and the glory that did follow the new reformed government of God. Hebrews speaks of the use of a parable "revealing the spiritual unseen gospel" understanding. Like the book of Revelation introducing the kind of interpretation, the kind of language of parables "signifying" .

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of "reformation". Hebrews 9

According to the historically true parable of that time period the old testemtment saints that had the Spirit of Christ in them had the gospel preached as a living encourage through the various ceremonies. just as we look back from our new testament ceremonies. . . head covered woman, and head unconverted men, along with the bread and wine . it allowed us to look to back and ahead a continuation a sign of the reformation looking and ahead to the wedding supper in our new incorruptible body ..

Prophesied of the grace ahead through the metaphors that signified the power of God.

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.1 Peter1:11

Again the glory that did follow the time reformation.

 

[Journeyman]

I don't understand the point of your response here.

The point is, Jesus did something that is more magnificent than anything that has ever been done. And he did it so that the nations of this world would know the truth. So we would no longer be deceived by the devil.

Jesus said, Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature Mk.16:15

 

[JamOn]

Yes. And the Bottomless Pit is under the earth's surface. No connection.

That doesn’t seem plausible, the earth is not endless, it has a top and bottom, left and right, if the bottomless pit is under the surface it would be a mere portal to the pit, you can’t have a bottomless pit inside a sphere earth.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The point is, Jesus did something that is more magnificent than anything that has ever been done. And he did it so that the nations of this world would know the truth. So we would no longer be deceived by the devil.

Jesus said, Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature Mk.16:15

And what does you answer have do with the literal existence of the Abyss and Satan being cast in there for a literal 1000 years, which is what we have been discussing?

 

[Ahwatukee]

That doesn’t seem plausible, the earth is not endless, it has a top and bottom, left and right, if the bottomless pit is under the surface it would be a mere portal to the pit, you can’t have a bottomless pit inside a sphere earth.

Hello JamOn,

The phrase bottomless is hyperbolic meaning to convey the meaning of being very deep, but not literally bottomless. The meaning is similar to Rev.7:9 which says "behold, a great multitude which no one could count." It isn't that there isn't a specific number to the multitude, but that it is very high number. If I was to compare it to our time it would be like saying, "I have a ton of homework," or "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse." It doesn't convey the meaning of literally having a ton of homework, but a whole lot of it. The reference to eating a horse, is meant to convey being so hungry that they could eat a whole lot.

I hope that this is beneficial

 

[JamOn]

Hello JamOn,

The phrase bottomless is hyperbolic meaning to convey the meaning of being very deep, but not literally bottomless. The meaning is similar to Rev.7:9 which says "behold, a great multitude which no one could count." It isn't that there isn't a specific number to the multitude, but that it is very high number. If I was to compare it to our time it would be like saying, "I have a ton of homework," or "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse." It doesn't convey the meaning of literally having a ton of homework, but a whole lot of it. The reference to eating a horse, is meant to convey being so hungry that they could eat a whole lot.

I hope that this is beneficial

It was beneficial thanks for replying, I can agree with it maybe like what you said just a analogy, some good comparisons by the way,

I know the Bible says under the earth, though I’m not completely sure it’s actually under the surface or actually under the whole earth like in space under it. guess I need ponder on that some more.