Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

[Leastamongmany]

Already been there and done that....he saved me eternally by faith....
you should try faith and the Jesus of the bible.
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Oh I see,played right into your hands huh? Guess again!

 

[dcontroversal]

you could do with letting the Holy Spirit lead you!

He has and does every day to embrace truth as opposed to you which defends and sides with deception.....

 

[dcontroversal]

I PUT YOU AND YOURS INTO THE LORD'S HANDS. HE DEALS JUSTLY!

Hahhahahahahahahahhahahahaha He has seen the whole convo and rejecting truth will not turn his ear your way

 

[Nat2019]

Do you feel you benefited a lot from reading the ot? I know I do.

A new bible won't do you any good. You need to get genuinely born again and receive forgiveness for you sin. You need to become the new creature in Christ by Gods hand and not the religious creature you have fashioned from you own imagination.

Those who know the new birth in Christ have no doubt that they are changed and no longer under condemnation. They know because the Holy Spirit witnesses with their spirit that they are saved. That assurance of salvation is unshakeable.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

not the religious creature you have fashioned from you own imagination.

Luke 23:34 New International Version (NIV)
34 Jesus said, “Father,forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”[a] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

Dear Father forgive them, Amen

 

[dcontroversal]

To me it is hilarious that those who teach or believe salvation can be lost or must be maintained by works are offended that I designate them salvation losers or workers for.....why is that offensive or deemed calling names????

 

[Nat2019]

Romans 14:10-13
Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.

 

[Nat2019]

To me it is hilarious that those who teach or believe salvation can be lost or must be maintained by works are offended that I designate them salvation losers or workers for.....why is that offensive or deemed calling names????

Matthew 7:1-2
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

 

[Nat2019]

A new bible won't do you any good. You need to get genuinely born again and receive forgiveness for you sin. You need to become the new creature in Christ by Gods hand and not the religious creature you have fashioned from you own imagination.

Those who know the new birth in Christ have no doubt that they are changed and no longer under condemnation. They know because the Holy Spirit witnesses with their spirit that they are saved. That assurance of salvation is unshakeable.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Genesis 1:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 So God createdmankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and femalehe created them.

I am not a creature by the way. Show kindness thank you

 

[dcontroversal]

Matthew 7:1-2
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

That does not say to not judge, but rather be careful how you judge...and I can judge one's dogma by the bible and or HOW THEY TWIST, EMBELLISH AND DECIEVE

If one teaches they do not believe in eternal security they are a salvation loser and if One teaches FAITH must be embellished with works they are a worker for....get over your fear of calling a spade a spade!!!!

 

[Nat2019]

That does not say to not judge, but rather be careful how you judge...and I can judge ones dogma by the bible and or HOW THEY TWIST, EMBELLISH AND DECIEVE

If one teaches they do not believe in eternal security they are a salvation loser and if One teaches FAITH must be embellished with works they are a worker for....get over your fear of calling a spade a spade!!!!

2 Timothy 2:14
Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers.

 

[Nat2019]

2 Timothy 2:14
Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers.

Proverbs 26:21
As charcoal to hot embers and wood to fire, so is a quarrelsome man for kindling strife.

 

[Nat2019]

Proverbs 15:1
A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

 

[dcontroversal]

Proverbs 26:21
As charcoal to hot embers and wood to fire, so is a quarrelsome man for kindling strife.

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

 

[OneOfHis]

Acts 13:39
39 And by Him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses

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John 3:15-17
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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hebrews 10

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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john 6


28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us

 

[Nat2019]

@Nat2019 btw.... there is only one "grace" and it is not a license to sin.

Paul dealt with those same false accusations that you make, interesting how the same attacks occur on the gospel to this day.

Do you feel you benefited a lot from reading the ot? I know I do.

Yes there are some very good books in the old testament I like psalms and proverbs. I also like the story of Joseph and Jeremiah. What are your FAVOURITE books

 

[Chester]

False again......maybe read and study a little more.....do you believe the word of God

Therefore, we conclude a man is justified by faith WITHOUT the deeds/works of the law

and

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness

The expression "faith without works" conveys a very different meaning than "faith alone."

Example: "roast beef without mashed potatoes" means something very different than "roast beef alone"!

 

[Nat2019]

Let me see if I got the picture. You have been here less than 70 hrs, and have well over 100 posts.

No introduction. No greeting. NO LOVE toward anybody.
Just jump right into one of the more contentious issues like a bull in a china closet. Accusing. Maligning. Purposefully twisting others words and intentions.

You have gone after one member in particular, because you read his statements "over the internet".

I'm thinking this verse, unfortunately fits you pretty well:

Romans 16:17-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
Avoid Divisive Persons
17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. 18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord [a]Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.

(You have gone after one member in particular, because you read his statements "over the internet". )

Well I didnt Go after him another thing is he goes after everyone else. So you dont need to view this man as a "victim". Because he surely isnt one. I don't fall for emotional blackmail

 

[OneOfHis]

@Nat2019 btw.... there is only one "grace" and it is not a license to sin.

Paul dealt with those same false accusations that you make, interesting how the same attacks occur on the gospel to this day.

Spot on, seeing His mercy as license to sin = no chastening from God and no new heart...

A Father who doesn't throw his son in a lake of fire for stealing a cookie isn't giving His child a license to steal.

He will chasten and reprove His children. Maybe even much harsher discipline to the "hard headed".


hebrews 12

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.



He chastens us when as His children when we are His but He does not forsake His own.

He is faithful and keeps His promises.



(@Leastamongmany which clearly shows the "sin and lose salvation" is wrong... He doesn't chasten for righteousness and anything less is sin or "missing the mark")

 

[Nat2019]

If you can read the dialogue between us and then argue for the deception and twist and embellished convo we have had....very tragic and also speaks to your honesty as well....and you guys claim to be believers.....wow

You are Gods chosen elect because he favours you for some reason over all human beings. WOW. I guess the rest us are destined for hell arent we.

Yet nothing from you seems Christ like whatever

 

[Nat2019]

Spot on, seeing His mercy as license to sin = no chastening from God and no new heart...

A Father who doesn't throw his son in a lake of fire for stealing a cookie isn't giving His child a license to steal.

He will chasten and reprove His children. Maybe even much harsher discipline to the "hard headed".


hebrews 12

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.



He chastens us when as His children when we are His but He does not forsake His own.

He is faithful and keeps His promises.



(@Leastamongmany which clearly shows the "sin and lose salvation" is wrong... He doesn't chasten for righteousness and anything less is sin or "missing the mark")

Your entitled to your opinions