PRE- MID- POST TRIBULATION.... JESUS RETURN TO EARTH FOR HIS BRIDE!
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The disclaimer is so effective I am sure.
I am sure I can name more than one.
Chuck Missler’s Cosmic Codes: Hidden Messages from the Edge of Eternity is a 535-page textbook for the Koinonia Institute Bible Course, BTE 620: Introduction to Biblical Cryptology.
What characteristics would an extraterrestrial communication require? How would we recognize an extraterrestrial message if we encountered one?...
Microcodes ("jots and tittles"), Macrocodes (strategic anticipatory structures) and Metacodes (beyond the boundaries of physical reality) are explored.
...It will however, be of paramount importance to first 'blindfold your prejudices' and presuppositions."[xvi] [Bold emphases added]
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Secret knowledge (esoteric knowledge) is not biblical
Isa 45:19 "I have not spoken in secret, In some dark land; I did not say to the offspring of Jacob, 'Seek Me in a waste place'; I, the LORD, speak righteousness, Declaring things that are upright.”
I am sure I can name more than one.
Chuck Missler’s Cosmic Codes: Hidden Messages from the Edge of Eternity is a 535-page textbook for the Koinonia Institute Bible Course, BTE 620: Introduction to Biblical Cryptology.
What characteristics would an extraterrestrial communication require? How would we recognize an extraterrestrial message if we encountered one?...
Microcodes ("jots and tittles"), Macrocodes (strategic anticipatory structures) and Metacodes (beyond the boundaries of physical reality) are explored.
...It will however, be of paramount importance to first 'blindfold your prejudices' and presuppositions."[xvi] [Bold emphases added]
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Secret knowledge (esoteric knowledge) is not biblical
Isa 45:19 "I have not spoken in secret, In some dark land; I did not say to the offspring of Jacob, 'Seek Me in a waste place'; I, the LORD, speak righteousness, Declaring things that are upright.”
Good day cv5,
Yes, you are correct in that, there is no way for us to know how much time there will be from the time that the church is gathered until the antichrist is revealed. However, my own feeling on this is that these events will be in close proximity to one another. My thinking is that the removal of the church which is synonymous with the Restrainer being taken out of the way, would be a perfect time for the man of lawlessness to emerge. He might even come up with some false reason as to what happened to everyone. With the restraining force of the Holy Spirit working through the church removed from the earth, the full force of sin and the man of sin will be revealed and I don't think that there will be much of a hesitation.
Yes, you are correct in that, there is no way for us to know how much time there will be from the time that the church is gathered until the antichrist is revealed. However, my own feeling on this is that these events will be in close proximity to one another. My thinking is that the removal of the church which is synonymous with the Restrainer being taken out of the way, would be a perfect time for the man of lawlessness to emerge. He might even come up with some false reason as to what happened to everyone. With the restraining force of the Holy Spirit working through the church removed from the earth, the full force of sin and the man of sin will be revealed and I don't think that there will be much of a hesitation.
What the heck do you think aliens are? Or are you one that doesn't even believe they exist? Chuck believed rightly IMO that aliens were demonic beings. You DO believe there are demons? Or are they allegorical as well?
BTW. Let us know of some of the Pastors YOU admire so that we can dig through every utterance from them in an attempt to mock them and you. Who are they?
BTW. Let us know of some of the Pastors YOU admire so that we can dig through every utterance from them in an attempt to mock them and you. Who are they?
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This is an interesting article that was brought to my attention:
Excerpts:
First, as we have previously shown, the assumption that “son of God” refers to angels is ill considered. In fact, both the direct expression and the associated concept clearly refer to righteous people or members of God’s covenant people. Such people are necessarily believers.
Second, we recall that one of the chief dangers for believers, one that God repeatedly warns against and is repeatedly shown to have disastrous consequences, is to marry unbelievers. We see this in, inter alia, Exodus 34:14-16; Judges 3:5-7; Ezra 9:1-12; and Nehemiah 13:23-27. This has caused the people of God to stumble again and again. Inasmuch as “sons of God” usually refers to believers in the Bible, could the problem in Genesis 6:1-4 be the first example of believers intermarrying with unbelievers and being led away from God? . . . .
The careless exegete thinks that Psalm 14:1 is teaching the universal sinfulness of all humanity, but the careful exegete who pays attention to the text sees that this is not so. In reality, there are two distinct groups in this passage.
The first group is characterized by a denial of the existence of God, by corruption, by abominable iniquity, and by a complete lack of interest in seeking God. But there is a second group as well, because v. 4 draws a clear distinction between “all the workers of iniquity” (which includes the entire first group because it comprises “all” the workers of iniquity) and “my people.” This distinction is reinforced in the next verse, in which “they” (the first group) are in great fear, because God is with “the generation of the righteous” (the second group).
The second group comprises the righteous, the believers, the people of God, whereas the first group comprises the opposite, those who reject and oppose God – and they are designated “the children of men.” So there is at least one clear example in Scripture of “children of men” referring to unrighteous unbelievers.
With this understanding, the mystery of Genesis 6:1-4 may become much less mysterious. The followers of God are choosing wives based on their appearance, not on their faith, and that leads – as it does throughout Scripture – to large scale apostasy and then to judgment.
Read the full discussion here:
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Excerpts:
First, as we have previously shown, the assumption that “son of God” refers to angels is ill considered. In fact, both the direct expression and the associated concept clearly refer to righteous people or members of God’s covenant people. Such people are necessarily believers.
Second, we recall that one of the chief dangers for believers, one that God repeatedly warns against and is repeatedly shown to have disastrous consequences, is to marry unbelievers. We see this in, inter alia, Exodus 34:14-16; Judges 3:5-7; Ezra 9:1-12; and Nehemiah 13:23-27. This has caused the people of God to stumble again and again. Inasmuch as “sons of God” usually refers to believers in the Bible, could the problem in Genesis 6:1-4 be the first example of believers intermarrying with unbelievers and being led away from God? . . . .
The careless exegete thinks that Psalm 14:1 is teaching the universal sinfulness of all humanity, but the careful exegete who pays attention to the text sees that this is not so. In reality, there are two distinct groups in this passage.
The first group is characterized by a denial of the existence of God, by corruption, by abominable iniquity, and by a complete lack of interest in seeking God. But there is a second group as well, because v. 4 draws a clear distinction between “all the workers of iniquity” (which includes the entire first group because it comprises “all” the workers of iniquity) and “my people.” This distinction is reinforced in the next verse, in which “they” (the first group) are in great fear, because God is with “the generation of the righteous” (the second group).
The second group comprises the righteous, the believers, the people of God, whereas the first group comprises the opposite, those who reject and oppose God – and they are designated “the children of men.” So there is at least one clear example in Scripture of “children of men” referring to unrighteous unbelievers.
With this understanding, the mystery of Genesis 6:1-4 may become much less mysterious. The followers of God are choosing wives based on their appearance, not on their faith, and that leads – as it does throughout Scripture – to large scale apostasy and then to judgment.
Read the full discussion here:
Clickety Click here
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I see the demarcation between the abstract and the literal.... angels are literal.
"Allegory" gets into types of expressive language so that can cloud the discussion since then people mean different things.
Are you upset?
I cannot tell.
If there are aliens I agree they would be demons or it all could be a deception/hoax.... we really do not know.
I have no one I follow per se...... but you can mock John Gill and Albert Barnes, I do read their commentaries from time to time
in spite of their staunch Calvinism
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Good day RickZ,
Am I correct from your post above that you believe that at the time of death that this is what Paul was referring to in 1 Thess.4:16, that at the time of death is when the rapture takes place?
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 and I Corinthians 15:51-53 describes the resurrection of the dead and the living being changed and caught up, both groups receiving their immortal and glorified bodies at that moment. The word "anastasis" translated as "resurrection" has to do with the spirit reentering the same physical body standing and up again, albeit immortal and glorified. In opposition, at the time of death for the believer, the spirit departs from the body and goes to be in the presence of the Lord and their bodies are buried in the earth.
In addition, the scripture clearly shows that when the event of the resurrection and the catching away (rapture) takes place, that it will be group event, with those who have died in Christ rising first and then those who are still alive being changed and caught up with them in clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Since this is the case, if you have believers being individually raptured at the time of death, it is not supported by the details of scripture and it would mean that everyone who has died in Christ has been accumulating in the air and waiting for the rest of us. Here is the scripture:
"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
* The Lord descends from heaven
* The dead in Christ are raised bodily
* The living in Christ are changed and caught up together with them in the clouds
The above definitely takes place as one event.
Regarding this, consider the following scripture:
"For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men. It instructs us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live sensible, upright, and godly lives in the present age, as we await the blessed hope and glorious appearance of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ."
The blessed hope is the event of the appearing of the Lord where at which point is when the resurrection of all the dead in Christ from the beginning of the church takes place and the living believers are all changed at the same time and caught up with them. According to your belief that the rapture takes place at the time of death, there would be no need to wait for the blessed hope, the appearing of our Lord to gather His church.
Also, since the resurrection has to do with the spirit reuniting with the same body that the person died in, except now immortal, then if you have the rapture taking place at the time of each believers death, there would be no body to bury, for their bodies would immediately become immortal. According to your claim, for those who die in Christ, there would be no need to make funeral arrangements, because at the time of death they would simply remain in their bodies changed from mortal it immortal. However, that is not what scripture teaches.
To be clear, if say a believed died on a Wednesday and the Lord appeared the very next day to gather His church, the body of that believer would be gone and that because his spirit would be back in his body, immortal and glorified. The resurrection is a group event, as it will be with those still alive. The whole event will all take place in a nano second.
Jesus is our example. When He died, His body was put into the tomb, but His spirit went to Sheol/Hades. After three days His spirit reentered His body and his body came back to life (stood up again), immoral and glorified.
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Strong's Concordance
anastasis: a standing up, i.e. a resurrection, a raising up, rising
Original Word: ἀνάστασις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: anastasis
Phonetic Spelling: (an-as'-tas-is)
Definition: a standing up, a resurrection, a raising up, rising
Usage: a rising again, resurrection.
HELPS Word-studies
386 anástasis (from 303 /aná, "up, again" and 2476 /hístēmi, "to stand") – literally, "stand up" (or "stand again"), referring to physical resurrection (of the body).
Christ's physical resurrection is the foundation of Christianity, which also guarantees the future resurrection of all believers (see Jn 6:39,40,44).
[386 /anástasis ("resurrection") refers to the physical, bodily resurrection of Christ – and people (both of the redeemed and the unredeemed).]
Am I correct from your post above that you believe that at the time of death that this is what Paul was referring to in 1 Thess.4:16, that at the time of death is when the rapture takes place?
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 and I Corinthians 15:51-53 describes the resurrection of the dead and the living being changed and caught up, both groups receiving their immortal and glorified bodies at that moment. The word "anastasis" translated as "resurrection" has to do with the spirit reentering the same physical body standing and up again, albeit immortal and glorified. In opposition, at the time of death for the believer, the spirit departs from the body and goes to be in the presence of the Lord and their bodies are buried in the earth.
In addition, the scripture clearly shows that when the event of the resurrection and the catching away (rapture) takes place, that it will be group event, with those who have died in Christ rising first and then those who are still alive being changed and caught up with them in clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Since this is the case, if you have believers being individually raptured at the time of death, it is not supported by the details of scripture and it would mean that everyone who has died in Christ has been accumulating in the air and waiting for the rest of us. Here is the scripture:
"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
* The Lord descends from heaven
* The dead in Christ are raised bodily
* The living in Christ are changed and caught up together with them in the clouds
The above definitely takes place as one event.
Regarding this, consider the following scripture:
"For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men. It instructs us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live sensible, upright, and godly lives in the present age, as we await the blessed hope and glorious appearance of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ."
The blessed hope is the event of the appearing of the Lord where at which point is when the resurrection of all the dead in Christ from the beginning of the church takes place and the living believers are all changed at the same time and caught up with them. According to your belief that the rapture takes place at the time of death, there would be no need to wait for the blessed hope, the appearing of our Lord to gather His church.
Also, since the resurrection has to do with the spirit reuniting with the same body that the person died in, except now immortal, then if you have the rapture taking place at the time of each believers death, there would be no body to bury, for their bodies would immediately become immortal. According to your claim, for those who die in Christ, there would be no need to make funeral arrangements, because at the time of death they would simply remain in their bodies changed from mortal it immortal. However, that is not what scripture teaches.
To be clear, if say a believed died on a Wednesday and the Lord appeared the very next day to gather His church, the body of that believer would be gone and that because his spirit would be back in his body, immortal and glorified. The resurrection is a group event, as it will be with those still alive. The whole event will all take place in a nano second.
Jesus is our example. When He died, His body was put into the tomb, but His spirit went to Sheol/Hades. After three days His spirit reentered His body and his body came back to life (stood up again), immoral and glorified.
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Strong's Concordance
anastasis: a standing up, i.e. a resurrection, a raising up, rising
Original Word: ἀνάστασις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: anastasis
Phonetic Spelling: (an-as'-tas-is)
Definition: a standing up, a resurrection, a raising up, rising
Usage: a rising again, resurrection.
HELPS Word-studies
386 anástasis (from 303 /aná, "up, again" and 2476 /hístēmi, "to stand") – literally, "stand up" (or "stand again"), referring to physical resurrection (of the body).
Christ's physical resurrection is the foundation of Christianity, which also guarantees the future resurrection of all believers (see Jn 6:39,40,44).
[386 /anástasis ("resurrection") refers to the physical, bodily resurrection of Christ – and people (both of the redeemed and the unredeemed).]
Good day PennEd,
I also believe that what people call extraterrestrials, are demonic beings (fallen angels). It is amazing to me that people will believe in aliens before they will believe in fallen angels. I also believe that at some point in the future, that this promotion of alien deception is going to be used as some type of deception. After all, we know that angels can take on other forms. Why not little gray men? We also know that angels are mathematically far superior to any scientist on the earth and are therefore capable of creating these UFO's using technology that is far beyond man's abilities. As an example, I personally believe that the great pyramid in Egypt was made by the angels at God's command and that because of the size of the stones and the mathematical precision in which they were laid.
I also believe that what people call extraterrestrials, are demonic beings (fallen angels). It is amazing to me that people will believe in aliens before they will believe in fallen angels. I also believe that at some point in the future, that this promotion of alien deception is going to be used as some type of deception. After all, we know that angels can take on other forms. Why not little gray men? We also know that angels are mathematically far superior to any scientist on the earth and are therefore capable of creating these UFO's using technology that is far beyond man's abilities. As an example, I personally believe that the great pyramid in Egypt was made by the angels at God's command and that because of the size of the stones and the mathematical precision in which they were laid.
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Christ will not come before Satan because there is no point in gathering 1/2 a Bride. The Elect and the 144000 minimum will be here, no point for anyone else to go. It would serve no purpose for God. It is a false doctrine Gods specifically teaches against in
Ezekiel 13:18 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?
Ezekiel 13:19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?
Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
Ezekiel 13:21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Returning as King of kings, on the day of vengeance, which is the 2nd 1/2 of the scripture read in the temple.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of #HEAVEN to the other.
Luke 17:26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man.
27 They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building,
29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all
30 so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
And then will be revealed the lawless [one] whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of the mouth of Him and will annul by the appearing of the coming of Him whose is coming according to [the] working of Satan in every power and in signs and in wonders and of falsehood and in every deceit of wickedness unto those perishing in return for which the love of the truth not they received in order for to be saved them
We go through Tribulation, but it is no problem as Gospel Armor is upon us fending off the firey darts of Satan
Wrath comes after they are not the same.
People will quote 1 thess and leave out 2 thess, These are deceivers wishing Their will, not Gods Will be done.
People with quote and accept verses that fit pre, mid and post, to support their position. If it is not a verse with a specific order of events, fit it in last, don't use it to support a theory. DO NOT ADD.
If a bunch of people disappeared, how would anyone not know that Satan was coming next? If everyone know it is Satan how will he convince anyone he is someone different? Gods Will be done.
Satan is loosed at the end of the millennium to see who he can deceive and who he can't. Those he does deceive go into the lake of fire, those he doesn't are a part of the 2nd resurrection. If everyone has to be tested then, why wouldn't everyone have to be tested now. Makes no sense to come get a 1/2 bride when if you wait just a minute (their time) you get to test your people and when you come you come to stay and you get an entire bride. So simple. Those who have the mark of the beast failed, those who have no marks passed. Judgment super simple. Sheep and goats basically separate themselves. The other way so many questions that the book doesn't answer.
Ezekiel 13:18 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?
Ezekiel 13:19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?
Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
Ezekiel 13:21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Returning as King of kings, on the day of vengeance, which is the 2nd 1/2 of the scripture read in the temple.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of #HEAVEN to the other.
Luke 17:26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man.
27 They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building,
29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all
30 so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
And then will be revealed the lawless [one] whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of the mouth of Him and will annul by the appearing of the coming of Him whose is coming according to [the] working of Satan in every power and in signs and in wonders and of falsehood and in every deceit of wickedness unto those perishing in return for which the love of the truth not they received in order for to be saved them
We go through Tribulation, but it is no problem as Gospel Armor is upon us fending off the firey darts of Satan
Wrath comes after they are not the same.
People will quote 1 thess and leave out 2 thess, These are deceivers wishing Their will, not Gods Will be done.
People with quote and accept verses that fit pre, mid and post, to support their position. If it is not a verse with a specific order of events, fit it in last, don't use it to support a theory. DO NOT ADD.
If a bunch of people disappeared, how would anyone not know that Satan was coming next? If everyone know it is Satan how will he convince anyone he is someone different? Gods Will be done.
Satan is loosed at the end of the millennium to see who he can deceive and who he can't. Those he does deceive go into the lake of fire, those he doesn't are a part of the 2nd resurrection. If everyone has to be tested then, why wouldn't everyone have to be tested now. Makes no sense to come get a 1/2 bride when if you wait just a minute (their time) you get to test your people and when you come you come to stay and you get an entire bride. So simple. Those who have the mark of the beast failed, those who have no marks passed. Judgment super simple. Sheep and goats basically separate themselves. The other way so many questions that the book doesn't answer.
The Didache, last chapter (early 2nd century): There "shall appear the deceiver of the world as a Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders and the earth shall be given over into his hands and he shall commit iniquities which have never been since the world began. Then shall the creation of mankind come to the fiery trial and many shall be offended and be lost, but they who endure in their faith shall be saved by the curse itself. And then shall appear the signs of the truth. First, the sign spread out in Heaven, then the sign of the trumpet, and thirdly the resurrection of the dead: but not all the dead, but as it was said, The Lord shall come, then shall all the world see the Lord coming on the clouds of Heaven."
The Epistle of Barnabus (early 2nd cent)
The Shepard of Hermas (150 AD)
Justin Martyr (150 AD): "He shall come from Heaven with glory, when the man of apostasy, who speaks strange things against the Most High, shall venture to do unlawful deeds on earth against us Christians, who, having learned the true worship of God from the law, and the word which went forth from Jerusalem by means of the apostles of Jesus, have fled for safety to the God of Jacob."
Irenaeus (115-202 AD)
Tertullian (160-240 AD)
Lactantius (late 3rd cent, early 4th)
Hippolytus (early 3rd cent)
I'll let you investigate the others I have mentioned, but they all speak the same, the Christians (that is the Church, the Body of Christ) will suffer at the hands of Antichrist.
The (secret) pre-tribulation advent and rapture was unknown in the Church until the year 1830.
In 1830 Edward Irving was defrocked from the Church of England because his superiors believed that his doctrinal beliefs and preaching on the sinfulness of Christ's nature, was heretical. Irving set up his own church, which he called “The Catholic Apostolic Church,” but which others called “The Irvingites.” In his congregation there was a Scottish girl called Margaret Macdonald; and in one of his services she went into a trance and gave some prophecies. In this trance she said that she saw the people of God going up in the air to meet the Lord. From this “revelation,” Irving preached that the Church would be raptured and miss the great tribulation. Irving went over to the conferences in Ireland at Powerscourt, near Dublin, and preached this doctrine. Ironside, who writes in support of the doctrine of the pretribulation secret rapture of the Church, states that this “blessed doctrine” came to light in the Powerscourt conferences in Ireland in the 1830's. Mr Robert Baxter, a principal leader in this movement, published the doctrine of a secret coming of Christ everywhere he went, and it was quickly received. This view was also adopted by J. N. Darby, and it has been earnestly maintained by many who have studied his writings. Scofield wrote this doctrine into his notes in His Scofield Bible, and Larkin drew some charts; and the doctrine infiltrated into the brethren movement. However, Tregelles, Newton, George Muller, and many others, rejected the revelation and doctrine as unscriptural. They realised that Margaret Macdonald's “revelation,” had brought into the Church a false doctrine, which was previously unknown in Church history, and was a direct contradiction of the Scriptures.
The doctrine, which you believe and are teaching is an evil seed that the Devil put into the Church, the Lord Jesus said it was false prophets who would teach a secret pre-tribulation advent and rapture. Matt 24v23-27.
In 1Tim 1v19,20, we read that Paul delivered Hymenaeus and Alexander to Satan that they might learn not to blaspheme. We learn from 2Tim 2v16-18, that Paul did this because they had overthrown the faith of some Christians, by saying that the resurrection and the second coming of Christ had already taken place. Paul said their wrong doctrine ate like a canker and gangrene, and they died for their dangerous heresy, executed by the operation of God's judgement gifts through Paul. The deaths of Hymenaeus, Philetus, and Alexander, show how serious and dangerous it is to misinterpret prophecy.
You are blatantly teaching lies about the 2nd Coming of Christ, do you think that the Lord Jesus will treat you any differently (than he treated Hymenaeus, Philetus, and Alexander) when your false teaching of the 2nd Coming of Christ overthrows the faith of Christians?
The Epistle of Barnabus (early 2nd cent)
The Shepard of Hermas (150 AD)
Justin Martyr (150 AD): "He shall come from Heaven with glory, when the man of apostasy, who speaks strange things against the Most High, shall venture to do unlawful deeds on earth against us Christians, who, having learned the true worship of God from the law, and the word which went forth from Jerusalem by means of the apostles of Jesus, have fled for safety to the God of Jacob."
Irenaeus (115-202 AD)
Tertullian (160-240 AD)
Lactantius (late 3rd cent, early 4th)
Hippolytus (early 3rd cent)
I'll let you investigate the others I have mentioned, but they all speak the same, the Christians (that is the Church, the Body of Christ) will suffer at the hands of Antichrist.
The (secret) pre-tribulation advent and rapture was unknown in the Church until the year 1830.
In 1830 Edward Irving was defrocked from the Church of England because his superiors believed that his doctrinal beliefs and preaching on the sinfulness of Christ's nature, was heretical. Irving set up his own church, which he called “The Catholic Apostolic Church,” but which others called “The Irvingites.” In his congregation there was a Scottish girl called Margaret Macdonald; and in one of his services she went into a trance and gave some prophecies. In this trance she said that she saw the people of God going up in the air to meet the Lord. From this “revelation,” Irving preached that the Church would be raptured and miss the great tribulation. Irving went over to the conferences in Ireland at Powerscourt, near Dublin, and preached this doctrine. Ironside, who writes in support of the doctrine of the pretribulation secret rapture of the Church, states that this “blessed doctrine” came to light in the Powerscourt conferences in Ireland in the 1830's. Mr Robert Baxter, a principal leader in this movement, published the doctrine of a secret coming of Christ everywhere he went, and it was quickly received. This view was also adopted by J. N. Darby, and it has been earnestly maintained by many who have studied his writings. Scofield wrote this doctrine into his notes in His Scofield Bible, and Larkin drew some charts; and the doctrine infiltrated into the brethren movement. However, Tregelles, Newton, George Muller, and many others, rejected the revelation and doctrine as unscriptural. They realised that Margaret Macdonald's “revelation,” had brought into the Church a false doctrine, which was previously unknown in Church history, and was a direct contradiction of the Scriptures.
The doctrine, which you believe and are teaching is an evil seed that the Devil put into the Church, the Lord Jesus said it was false prophets who would teach a secret pre-tribulation advent and rapture. Matt 24v23-27.
In 1Tim 1v19,20, we read that Paul delivered Hymenaeus and Alexander to Satan that they might learn not to blaspheme. We learn from 2Tim 2v16-18, that Paul did this because they had overthrown the faith of some Christians, by saying that the resurrection and the second coming of Christ had already taken place. Paul said their wrong doctrine ate like a canker and gangrene, and they died for their dangerous heresy, executed by the operation of God's judgement gifts through Paul. The deaths of Hymenaeus, Philetus, and Alexander, show how serious and dangerous it is to misinterpret prophecy.
You are blatantly teaching lies about the 2nd Coming of Christ, do you think that the Lord Jesus will treat you any differently (than he treated Hymenaeus, Philetus, and Alexander) when your false teaching of the 2nd Coming of Christ overthrows the faith of Christians?
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We which are alive and remain............war will be made against the saints of the most high....the Beast will wear us out and overcome us and God will give humanity what it desires....the fallen kingdom of darkness with the suppression and almost annhilation of all vestage of truth....
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