Nice post. I actually bought the KJV 1611 so I could read the preface. Few hundred more years I should be done. But they even tell us there (you probably know this) that they did their best but they knew they made mistakes and we should always take that into consideration especially when the area is of such importance. I would just be a terrible place to end up least in the kingdom because you taught men to " " the law. (I still don't know what word to use for "dis consider?"
Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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If you teach either one you are in error.
What needs to be taught is to abide in Christ. The law takes care of itself when you are dead to it and instead abide in Christ.
The carnal mind doesn't understand this. How can the law take care of itself? Especially if you aren't working at it and studying it to understand what sin is. Lawlessness the carnal mind says.
But the only ones who actually keep the law are the ones who are dead to it and instead abide in Christ. Doesn't seem fair does it?
What needs to be taught is to abide in Christ. The law takes care of itself when you are dead to it and instead abide in Christ.
The carnal mind doesn't understand this. How can the law take care of itself? Especially if you aren't working at it and studying it to understand what sin is. Lawlessness the carnal mind says.
But the only ones who actually keep the law are the ones who are dead to it and instead abide in Christ. Doesn't seem fair does it?
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The law requires perfection.
Thats your standard,
So to all you people pushing law as a means of righteousness (Christian growth) thats the standard you MUST maintain if you are to be seen as obedient to the law. Even james said, break one, your guilty of all.
Good luck!
Me, I will follow god.
Thats your standard,
So to all you people pushing law as a means of righteousness (Christian growth) thats the standard you MUST maintain if you are to be seen as obedient to the law. Even james said, break one, your guilty of all.
Good luck!
Me, I will follow god.
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Don't take it so seriously, is my advice. Take it as a price of debating over the Internet.
One good thing about engaging with strangers over the Internet is this, you get to interact with people with very different views of life. Often the friends you meet in your daily life either think very much the same as you, for example church friends, or are unwilling to engage you in any deep intellectual topics.
Furthermore, because you know one another in real life, the conversation is often very polite and you won’t really know what the other person really thinks.
But on the Internet, you solve both problems. First, you get to engage with people who think very differently from you. Second, because you will not meet each other in real life, you often get very frank opinions being shared.
There is a flip side to that second point of course, when you know for sure you will never meet them in real life, its much easier for some of them to start insulting you and making other personal remarks while debating, that is unfortunate but is something that is beyond your control.
What is under your control is your own response and I can see the silver lining behind it, it teaches you not to repay like for like, but rather, trains you to truly understand that, you can only control your response to whatever life throws at you.
But the good thing of course, is that only with debating others, that you have an incentive to understand more the other party’s view of the issue, and whether or not you agree with them in the end, your knowledge base expands.
One good thing about engaging with strangers over the Internet is this, you get to interact with people with very different views of life. Often the friends you meet in your daily life either think very much the same as you, for example church friends, or are unwilling to engage you in any deep intellectual topics.
Furthermore, because you know one another in real life, the conversation is often very polite and you won’t really know what the other person really thinks.
But on the Internet, you solve both problems. First, you get to engage with people who think very differently from you. Second, because you will not meet each other in real life, you often get very frank opinions being shared.
There is a flip side to that second point of course, when you know for sure you will never meet them in real life, its much easier for some of them to start insulting you and making other personal remarks while debating, that is unfortunate but is something that is beyond your control.
What is under your control is your own response and I can see the silver lining behind it, it teaches you not to repay like for like, but rather, trains you to truly understand that, you can only control your response to whatever life throws at you.
But the good thing of course, is that only with debating others, that you have an incentive to understand more the other party’s view of the issue, and whether or not you agree with them in the end, your knowledge base expands.
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The Strongs Concordance has a Lexicon in the back of it. The Lexicon is a dictionary and is very useful for us average folk.
Here is his entry in respects to pisteuo
πιστεύω
pisteuō
pist-yoo'-o
From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
It says the same thing you are my friend. As you probably know Fidelity is the quality or state of being faithful. In other words To have faith in, upon or with respect to a person place or thing. The fact that it is a verb the Strongs lexicon does not note. But it does give us from where the word is derived. It comes from 4102. Let's take a look at that to find out what this faith is that we are suppose to have in Christ.
πίστις
pistis
pis'-tis
From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.
Once again we can note that the Strongs does not note the part of speech. However pistis is a noun. A state of being. It is our persuasion, credence our Moral conviction. In other words this state of being governs who we are. Or dare I say is part of who we are since we are typically motivated by our persuasions; our morals in which we have been convicted of, live through.
It also has a root word in which it is from. This primary word is G3982. Let's take a look.
πείθω
peithō
pi'-tho
A primary verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty): - agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be (wax) content, make friend, obey, persuade, trust, yield.
What do you see?
Here is his entry in respects to pisteuo
πιστεύω
pisteuō
pist-yoo'-o
From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
It says the same thing you are my friend. As you probably know Fidelity is the quality or state of being faithful. In other words To have faith in, upon or with respect to a person place or thing. The fact that it is a verb the Strongs lexicon does not note. But it does give us from where the word is derived. It comes from 4102. Let's take a look at that to find out what this faith is that we are suppose to have in Christ.
πίστις
pistis
pis'-tis
From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.
Once again we can note that the Strongs does not note the part of speech. However pistis is a noun. A state of being. It is our persuasion, credence our Moral conviction. In other words this state of being governs who we are. Or dare I say is part of who we are since we are typically motivated by our persuasions; our morals in which we have been convicted of, live through.
It also has a root word in which it is from. This primary word is G3982. Let's take a look.
πείθω
peithō
pi'-tho
A primary verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty): - agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be (wax) content, make friend, obey, persuade, trust, yield.
What do you see?
Very astute observations Guojing, Really well put!,
Blessed are the peacemakers..
However, I do not mind the personal insults, or even those who jump to conclusions as we will eventually work out the details, but I have read several posters in the "all you people" group EG is talking about and nearly all of them went out of their way to clarify that they are not saved by the law but by grace and Justification through Christs Righteousness, and yet he turns around with all of that clarification and accuses them of the opposite!
You know what I miss? And I'm in my 50's, are the days, and I remember them as a child, where everyone was held accountable for what they said.
I am beginning to see what "not under the law" means to some people. They have no fear, (Ecc 12:13) they feel they can "bear false witness, one of the top 10, and that is not an issue they have to be concerned about! Well, it has nothing to do with what I believe, He took our heated and often disrespectful (God forgive us) discussions and took it off the reservation so to speak. He now falsely accuses Gods saints!
Pro 2:8 KJV He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints.
But truly, I agree with your observation about the unique opportunity of these forums and perhaps that's why people who behave like EG has need to be held to account. I want to be held to account for the false things I say too! Truly! And I have, Not for anything so blatant, but I have apologized and quickly. I would gladly forgive him should he be willing to confess his error and ask.
He did say he was going on vacation and perhaps he was having a couple beers to get his nerves from life in general settled down and got a little loose and careless. I am not a man who would judge that error at all should a man just confess and repent and we can all resume discussing, insulting possibly , no eggshells, or probation periods, back to business as usual.
In other words, Im not he type to condemn or hold a grudge as if I'm perfect.
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what e g said was true. you people attach keeping the Law of Moses along with the jewish Sabbath as part of salvation through faith in Christ, and it is not.
I do not think you and some others are meaning anything negative, but what you think is wrong.
it is very simple. when a person truly believes in Christ, then that person receives the Holy Sprit. then that person should consistently ( not perfectly , but consistently ) manifest the Fruits of the Sprit. and, what is not listed as a Fruit of the Spirt ? Sabbath keeping.
so, there you go. e g owes you nothing. you owe yourself a major change in theology. leave Sinai. come to Mt. Zion.
I do not think you and some others are meaning anything negative, but what you think is wrong.
it is very simple. when a person truly believes in Christ, then that person receives the Holy Sprit. then that person should consistently ( not perfectly , but consistently ) manifest the Fruits of the Sprit. and, what is not listed as a Fruit of the Spirt ? Sabbath keeping.
so, there you go. e g owes you nothing. you owe yourself a major change in theology. leave Sinai. come to Mt. Zion.
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