Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Did the Lord fail?

Or did He fulfill the law?
 
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Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
 
DeighAnn said:
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
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Sabbath? twilight fri-twilight Sat. ? required for Christ followers ? yes or no?
 
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Colossians 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to His working, which worketh in me mightily.
 
Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Hebrews 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Hebrews 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Hebrews 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Hebrews 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
You continue to do the nonsense of trying to assume I mean things I do not mean like you have done for along time now I will continue

Once again what did Paul say the purpose of the law was. What is up with you all and never answering questions?
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The law was given to define sin. It is still sin to break the law: 1 John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
 
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lightbearer said:
I done nothing of the sort. You must of forgot. We were in Romans. Here...
So once again in respects to Romans 10:4 Why rip that text out of the context it was written?
Start in 9:30 to let say verse 8 in chapter 10.

What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (word) down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (word) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 9:30-10:8 KJV)

!0:6-8 is a paraphrase of the words spoken in prophecy to Israel and now again to Israel and throughout the whole world.

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
(Deu 30:6 KJV)
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
(Deu 30:10-14 KJV)

The Word, God's commandments and statutes in the the heart and mouth through Christ is the Faith in which we preach Paul said. Israel did not have this faith. The majority refused it and were only trying to follow the letter of the law and not allowing it in the heart.

For Christ (the word, the law in the heart, mind and mouth) is the end of the law (written on tables of stone and parchment) for righteousness to every one that believeth.
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Grandpa said:
You keep posting the same thing over and over
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Because you have not addressed the text and the facts shared until this post here. This also was already pointed out to you.

You are trying to equate the Lord Jesus Christ with the 10 commandments.
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No. This is what was said.
lightbearer said:
The Word, God's commandments and statutes in the the heart and mouth through Christ is the Faith in which we preach Paul said. Israel did not have this faith. The majority refused it and were only trying to follow the letter of the law and not allowing it in the heart.

For Christ (the word, the law in the heart, mind and mouth) is the end of the law (written on tables of stone and parchment) for righteousness to every one that believeth
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You posted....
The Lord Jesus gives us Rest from our work at the 10 commandments.
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By placing His Spirit, the Word, that which was on Parchment and Tables of stone in our hearts, minds, and mouths.

This is what Romans 10:6-8 speaks. Which is why Christ (through which the Word has been placed in the heart and mouth ) is the end of the Law (that which is written of ink and on tables of stone) for righteousness to all that believe. True faith. That which Paul speaks of in Romans 10:8. Christ, through which the word is in the heart and mouth.
A new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
(2Co 5:17-18 KJV)

This Faith, Christ in the heart and mouth through which the word is in the heart and mouth has been available at least at THE BEGINNING of the LORD God's ministry with Israel. This is brought to light by Paul paraphrasing Deut. 30:11-14 in Romans 10:6-8. But they as a whole never let the Lord in their heart.
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Romans 10:1-5
1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

But Christ is the end of the Law for Righteousness. For everyone that believes. Those who believe do not go about establishing their own righteousness by the law. They profess their Righteousness by what they are given freely, by Grace.
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Not I but Christ. Christ in us the Hope of Glory. It is of Faith through Christ dwelling in the the heart; through which the word, the law, that which was on parchment and tables of stone is placed in the heart and mouth. This is the faith in which Paul preached. (Rom 10:8) For it is GOD that worketh in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
(2Co 3:3-5 KJV)
 
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SimpleGardner said:
I pray and hope these will hear the finality of verses like:

Rev 14:12 KJV Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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I love this verse. We will have to spend some time breaking bread over this later.

I have read some accounts, not on this forum, but elsewhere that Revelations or that part of revelations is not from God.
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Me too. All we can do is share and pray. And pray some more rightly dividing the word of truth without holding onto preconceived notions and ideas.


[/QUOTE]Many of us here seek truth where we take scriptural facts and find a conclusive position, but there are many who find a conclusion for which they must find facts to support. This seems to be the quandary many find themselves in. Too often people find themselves rooted in church families that believe a certain way and to be a part of that family they must conform doctrinally. To disagree doctrinally is to be rejected from that family. Hence the the quandary of "a conclusion in search of facts"

So to try to convince some to see the true conclusion of scripture is the same as asking them to be rejected by their church family. These are all steps along the way of course. Jesus Himself was:

Isa 53:3 KJV He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

I would say that being rejected is part of taking up our cross and following Him. I pray that those who argue the facts that come against their conclusions for the sake of being "accepted" will find the moral fortitude to step into the smaller fellowship of believers, fragmented, rejected of men but strong in faith.

As Jesus clarified; these are His true brothers and sisters;

Mat 12:47-50 KJV Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. (48) But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? (49) And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! (50) For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.


I appreciate you brother...:)[/QUOTE]Good post my friend. Thank you for your kind words. The Lord is gracious to allow us to serve Him and one another through His Spirit. Praise GOD and thank you for your service.
 
DeighAnn said:
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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yep. You establish its purpose. It brought you to Christ, It has fulfilled its job in your life.

The simplicity of the gospel..
 
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DeighAnn said:
Maybe if you would start answering our questions it would help.
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Tell that to those who agree with you. Who have been asked numerous questions, yet for some reason, like to side step those questions..


 
DeighAnn said:
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
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Yep. Parts of The law was a SHADOW of things to come..so why are you and others trying to take us back to the shadow. And not worshiping the actual one who the shaldow comes from to begin with.
 
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