What does this mean?
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Wht do you mean what does it mean??
The gentiles got to believe. And they were glad! Remember The prophecy about Jesus that he was to be a light to the Gentiles.
It was all coming to pass.
They were probably jumping up and down with joy and shouting praises to God, in unknown tongues too. Everyone else probably thought they were mad. But these were GENTILES. The jews kinda wanted God just for themselves, they did not think the gentiles were special to God in any way. Well they were wrong!
The gentiles got to believe. And they were glad! Remember The prophecy about Jesus that he was to be a light to the Gentiles.
It was all coming to pass.
They were probably jumping up and down with joy and shouting praises to God, in unknown tongues too. Everyone else probably thought they were mad. But these were GENTILES. The jews kinda wanted God just for themselves, they did not think the gentiles were special to God in any way. Well they were wrong!
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Yes, but I believe there is another way that "know" is used, and that is, with regard to those who are [or, were at one time] in special relationship to Him (that is, in a certain place and time/-history), as in:
Amos 3 -
"3:1 Hear this word that the Lord hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying,
2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
That ^ is who I believe Romans 11:2 is specifically referring to, with its "[His people] whom He foreknew" phrase (meaning, "to know before"... meaning, "before," as in, OT times that Amos 3:1-2 is pointing out). They were "His people," and then it was said unto them "ye are not My people" ['Lo ammi'], and again in the future they will be "My people Israel" [Rom9:26/Hos1:10; Ezek39:7; Isa26:16-21; etc...]
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Some belief means an unknown quantity. I dont know how much you had, or how it compares to others. Faith the size of a mustard was needed to move a mount
hope you are aware Christ asked us to follow his commandments which are summed up by two, Love the Lord your God with all your heart and Love Your brother/neighbour . Jesus showed this in his life and the stories he told.
"some belief" is a measure, an unknown quantity. I dont know how much we all given but the Bible says it is a Gift of God. and we can build it be Hearing his Word.
Faith the size of a mustard can move a mountain , and yet Jesus said to his disciples a number of times that they lacked Belief.
hope you are aware Christ asked us to follow his commandments which are summed up by two, Love the Lord your God with all your heart and Love Your brother/neighbour . Jesus showed this in his life and the stories he told.
"some belief" is a measure, an unknown quantity. I dont know how much we all given but the Bible says it is a Gift of God. and we can build it be Hearing his Word.
Faith the size of a mustard can move a mountain , and yet Jesus said to his disciples a number of times that they lacked Belief.
I hope you do not mind, but a pedantic observation comes to mind.
An infinite non-repeating number like Pi, creates a knowledge problem.
One can work out the number at any point in this number, except there is no real point to know it
all, because that is impossible except as an approximation.
Because the number is infinite, there is no point where it is possible to know the whole number
because it never ends. It does though have a beginning.
So does the Lord know that which is needed to be known, approximately, but it is impossible to
know everything, because somethings are only ever known approximately.
Jesus knows judgement will come, but not when.
I am not saying the Lord does not know Pi outside this proposition, I am just putting a point about
our understanding of what knowing is, and what is relevant and what is not.
Our perception of what is important and what is not is often wrong. If you know God as God, you know
the beginning and end of all things, the most important foundation of everything.
An infinite non-repeating number like Pi, creates a knowledge problem.
One can work out the number at any point in this number, except there is no real point to know it
all, because that is impossible except as an approximation.
Because the number is infinite, there is no point where it is possible to know the whole number
because it never ends. It does though have a beginning.
So does the Lord know that which is needed to be known, approximately, but it is impossible to
know everything, because somethings are only ever known approximately.
Jesus knows judgement will come, but not when.
I am not saying the Lord does not know Pi outside this proposition, I am just putting a point about
our understanding of what knowing is, and what is relevant and what is not.
Our perception of what is important and what is not is often wrong. If you know God as God, you know
the beginning and end of all things, the most important foundation of everything.
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No that scripture does not say BEFORE BIRTH. It just says as many were ordained to eternal life believed. Dont add extra words to scripture!
God plan was for all mankind and that includes gentiles. They did not have this before they heard about Jesus but it was always going to be as part of Gods plan through Jesus. The people i,e gentiles hearing the gospel for the first time. Capiche?
God plan was for all mankind and that includes gentiles. They did not have this before they heard about Jesus but it was always going to be as part of Gods plan through Jesus. The people i,e gentiles hearing the gospel for the first time. Capiche?
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1.God does not through His foreknowledge, elect certain individuals
2.And certain individuals do not also choose God at any point in time
3.It is God doing His work from the beginning to the end- It is creation
Ecc 3:9What do workers gain from their toil? 10I have seen the burden God has laid on the human race. 11He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet a no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.
2.And certain individuals do not also choose God at any point in time
3.It is God doing His work from the beginning to the end- It is creation
Ecc 3:9What do workers gain from their toil? 10I have seen the burden God has laid on the human race. 11He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet a no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.
We must be careful in how we hear. You could say in the same way and it would not affect the understanding;. . .like if " when the unbelieving Jew heard the gospel they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord." The focus is on the gospel not the flesh.
It would appear the father of lies has a desire we focus on the flesh. . . as if believers did war after it.
That idea would seem to focus on the old name he named His people "Jacob" a "born deceiver" . . . before being untied in fellowship with the Spirit signified as the bride of Christ .In whom the Spirit of Christ came to Jacob in a vision . . . they did wrestle and a pledge was given between the two from the hollow of His bone. I think that parable could be a picture of bone of bone, flesh of flesh. He renamed Jacob. Israel. A word that defines a new union signified as Emanuel God in us with us. . . the unseen power. . . not of flesh and blood. .(thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed). the peace of God that surpasses flesh and blood understanding. It appears in the gospel parable below.
And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. And as he passed over Penuel the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh. Therefore the children of Israel eat not of the sinew which shrank, which is upon the hollow of the thigh, unto this day: because he touched the hollow of Jacob's thigh in the sinew that shrank. Genesis 32 :24-32
Penuel.....has a interesting meaning. In seeing the Face Of God, she turns To God. The bridal veil is lifted the glory reveled.
It would appear the father of lies has a desire we focus on the flesh. . . as if believers did war after it.
That idea would seem to focus on the old name he named His people "Jacob" a "born deceiver" . . . before being untied in fellowship with the Spirit signified as the bride of Christ .In whom the Spirit of Christ came to Jacob in a vision . . . they did wrestle and a pledge was given between the two from the hollow of His bone. I think that parable could be a picture of bone of bone, flesh of flesh. He renamed Jacob. Israel. A word that defines a new union signified as Emanuel God in us with us. . . the unseen power. . . not of flesh and blood. .(thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed). the peace of God that surpasses flesh and blood understanding. It appears in the gospel parable below.
And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. And as he passed over Penuel the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh. Therefore the children of Israel eat not of the sinew which shrank, which is upon the hollow of the thigh, unto this day: because he touched the hollow of Jacob's thigh in the sinew that shrank. Genesis 32 :24-32
Penuel.....has a interesting meaning. In seeing the Face Of God, she turns To God. The bridal veil is lifted the glory reveled.
Do you know what ordained means?
Also do you know what WHEN the gentiles heard means. Lol
You cant believe something because your lack of reading comorehension skills, such as reading a sentence in order.
Sorry, i guess thats why you had to ask everyone what it meant, because you didnt know!
If you already knew, why would you need to ask us? Lol
Where you a christian believer before you even heard the gospel? How is that possible?
Also do you know what WHEN the gentiles heard means. Lol
You cant believe something because your lack of reading comorehension skills, such as reading a sentence in order.
Sorry, i guess thats why you had to ask everyone what it meant, because you didnt know!
If you already knew, why would you need to ask us? Lol
Where you a christian believer before you even heard the gospel? How is that possible?
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Some people dont seem to understand cause and effect.
Look at the world around you. Are children adults before they are children? Nope.
Yes they are pretty much programmed to become adults, but this is on Gods timing. Eveything in its time.
Does every single child grow to become an adult? Well if they arent killed or die before their time, you cou,d say in general yes, but some actually dont grow up the same as what we expect.
Look at the world around you. Are children adults before they are children? Nope.
Yes they are pretty much programmed to become adults, but this is on Gods timing. Eveything in its time.
Does every single child grow to become an adult? Well if they arent killed or die before their time, you cou,d say in general yes, but some actually dont grow up the same as what we expect.
Correct.
Romans 8:9b "Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
All of us start out life in this way, ^ having not the Spirit (of Christ). It's not that some are born with it and others are not. ALL of us (before trusting in Christ's finished work for salvation [1Cor15:1-4]) "have not the Spirit," thus (at that time) indeed "are none of His"
Romans 8:9b "Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."
All of us start out life in this way, ^ having not the Spirit (of Christ). It's not that some are born with it and others are not. ALL of us (before trusting in Christ's finished work for salvation [1Cor15:1-4]) "have not the Spirit," thus (at that time) indeed "are none of His"