Do you want the truth? Here is the truth about eschatology
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Then that would be the Jews who refused to let the Romans set up pagan images in the temple http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html ,,and revolted (1st Jewish revolt) ?
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it's the programming
one word out of sync and your preterist will offer a reason as to why you made them say something that causes a hiccup
this is the kingdom after all and nothing can go wrong
nothing can go wrong
nothing can go wrong
nothing can go wrong
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one word out of sync and your preterist will offer a reason as to why you made them say something that causes a hiccup
this is the kingdom after all and nothing can go wrong
nothing can go wrong
nothing can go wrong
nothing can go wrong
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Sometimes it's how the story is presented that makes it sound correct at first. In the old days they would say "I dare anyone read Josephus and say it is not all fulfilled". After a while it became apparent that the vast majority were following the one line quotes from Josephus but had never read it for their own selves. Now it's as though those who quoted the old one liners don't want to talk about it.
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that's a thick book
only read parts myself...looks impressive in my bookshelf
what's that line? it's all in the delivery?
I read certain things here from certain people (one in particular) and I know they are copying what they read, translating into
the common lingo and trying to sound knowledgeable
you cannot feign an actual education let alone knowledge or historical facts
to say we are living in the kingdom is so ignorant there are no words for it
really
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These words by the angel are very key:
Rev 14:
13And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them.”
I do believe it is at this very moment that the end times begun but the end times does not just start and stop, it is all the way until the end of age so even at this moment, those that are dying in the Lord today are blessed and they have overcome the antichrist as the rest of the chapter is saying.
That very moment, when John wrote those words, he was not in Jerusalem, he was in an island called Patmos probably because of persecution/tribulation. John continues to describe everything to the very end including how satan will finally be overcome.
So it is not possible that he was describing what was to happen in 70AD only and it was not possible that his writing were directed at Jerusalem dwellers only when he himself was not even in Jerusalem.
Rev 14:
13And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them.”
I do believe it is at this very moment that the end times begun but the end times does not just start and stop, it is all the way until the end of age so even at this moment, those that are dying in the Lord today are blessed and they have overcome the antichrist as the rest of the chapter is saying.
That very moment, when John wrote those words, he was not in Jerusalem, he was in an island called Patmos probably because of persecution/tribulation. John continues to describe everything to the very end including how satan will finally be overcome.
So it is not possible that he was describing what was to happen in 70AD only and it was not possible that his writing were directed at Jerusalem dwellers only when he himself was not even in Jerusalem.
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that's a thick book
only read parts myself...looks impressive in my bookshelf
what's that line? it's all in the delivery?
I read certain things here from certain people (one in particular) and I know they are copying what they read, translating into
the common lingo and trying to sound knowledgeable
you cannot feign an actual education let alone knowledge or historical facts
to say we are living in the kingdom is so ignorant there are no words for it
really
only read parts myself...looks impressive in my bookshelf
what's that line? it's all in the delivery?
I read certain things here from certain people (one in particular) and I know they are copying what they read, translating into
the common lingo and trying to sound knowledgeable
you cannot feign an actual education let alone knowledge or historical facts
to say we are living in the kingdom is so ignorant there are no words for it
really
lol, to be fair though after the www took off I've seen famous misquotes repeated from both sides without checking the facts. It just makes it more complicated to understand regardless to the side who did so though.
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I think it's fine to debate these issues.
It's healthy.
But since eschatology has been a contentious issue since FOREVER, we should just try to debate it respectfully.
Most of the people in this thread have been pretty calm and collected, yourself included.
On the other hand... when I'm 80 I just may not have the energy to get angry on a debate forum.
So... maybe you're a really nice guy... and maybe you're just tired.
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It's healthy.
But since eschatology has been a contentious issue since FOREVER, we should just try to debate it respectfully.
Most of the people in this thread have been pretty calm and collected, yourself included.
On the other hand... when I'm 80 I just may not have the energy to get angry on a debate forum.
So... maybe you're a really nice guy... and maybe you're just tired.
.
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I think it's fine to debate these issues.
It's healthy.
But since eschatology has been a contentious issue since FOREVER, we should just try to debate it respectfully.
Most of the people in this thread have been pretty calm and collected, yourself included.
On the other hand... when I'm 80 I just may not have the energy to get angry on a debate forum.
So... maybe you're a really nice guy... and maybe you're just tired.
.
It's healthy.
But since eschatology has been a contentious issue since FOREVER, we should just try to debate it respectfully.
Most of the people in this thread have been pretty calm and collected, yourself included.
On the other hand... when I'm 80 I just may not have the energy to get angry on a debate forum.
So... maybe you're a really nice guy... and maybe you're just tired.
.
I look at it this way,us being the temple of the Holy Spirit then which ever fruit I lay down is what I offer to God. And I would not want you to say to God I had offered an evil offering to him at the temple of God at mawel. I hope not to become tired in that.
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Wow... the temple of Maxwell...
I think that, by general consensus, that would be the temple where you find the crazy people, lol.
Anyway, I've just been feeling silly tonight and teasing everyone.
Keep up the good work in the debate threads; it's very health for all of us to have polite but meaningful debate.
It challenges us to both think more deeply, and to interact more circumspectly.
God Bless,
Max
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I think that, by general consensus, that would be the temple where you find the crazy people, lol.
Anyway, I've just been feeling silly tonight and teasing everyone.
Keep up the good work in the debate threads; it's very health for all of us to have polite but meaningful debate.
It challenges us to both think more deeply, and to interact more circumspectly.
God Bless,
Max
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something about the blind leading the blind I seem to recall
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The full Preterist interpretation of eschatology fails to take into account the fact that the Temple and City were desecrated/destroyed
twice before the AD70 destruction by the Babylonians and the Seleucids. In both cases Israel was restored. You may notice that
its happening again. The prophecies often have more that one application. The Bible consists of types and symbols that lead to
a culmination of events bringing about the new heavens and earth. I'm not denying that the events of AD70 were not an important
part of the process and were prophesied by Jesus. But to squeeze everything into that one period takes a remarkable feat of manipulation and a huge amount of misplaced faith in the writings and studies of others.
twice before the AD70 destruction by the Babylonians and the Seleucids. In both cases Israel was restored. You may notice that
its happening again. The prophecies often have more that one application. The Bible consists of types and symbols that lead to
a culmination of events bringing about the new heavens and earth. I'm not denying that the events of AD70 were not an important
part of the process and were prophesied by Jesus. But to squeeze everything into that one period takes a remarkable feat of manipulation and a huge amount of misplaced faith in the writings and studies of others.
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