Diagnosing Mother Teresa

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Jackson123

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those YouTube vids don’t present much facts, nothing in the comments on links to want he said.

the money in the catholic stuff is appalling, no building on earth needs gold inlays on the floors.
I doubt she had much control over the money.
Yep, she may not control the money, It may control by vatican.
 

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No doubt it is, if I’m not mistaking the organization provides food and housing for their priest,nun etc.
Some honest people may longing to work for the Lord, but If not alert some people or organisation use her to be money maker. I heard charity organisation is big money maker.

Donatur willing to give money to this charity organisation for tax deduction/froud.
 
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Some honest people may longing to work for the Lord, but If not alert some people or organisation use her to be money maker. I heard charity organisation is big money maker.

Donatur willing to give money to this charity organisation for tax deduction/froud.
It’s funny the organization has a Embezzling problem from within its walls. many accounts of it, two nuns last December took half mil to los Vegas they had a gambling itch
 
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It seems they have a lot problems within its walls
 

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It’s funny the organization has a Embezzling problem from within its walls. many accounts of it, two nuns last December took half mil to los Vegas they had a gambling itch

A big organization is not easy to be honest. Every where human are vunerable to corruption. The system that believe human are trust worthy, open the door to corrupt.

Bible teach tranparency, all are sinner, No body saint. Only Jesus deserve all the glory, not human

It is what happen when human glorified human, disapointment.

What is the purpose of canonization? To direct people to pray to her?

Why not pray directly to Jesus.

The system is corrupt, produce another corrupt fruit.
 
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A big organization is not easy to be honest. Every where human are vunerable to corruption. The system that believe human are trust worthy, open the door to corrupt.

Bible teach tranparency, all are sinner, No body saint. Only Jesus deserve all the glory, not human

It is what happen when human glorified human, disapointment.

What is the purpose of canonization? To direct people to pray to her?

Why not pray directly to Jesus.

The system is corrupt, produce another corrupt fruit.
Probably a reason why sainthood cost money as well,

the organization also makes money from the Vatican museums sum 65 mil in 2014, lol they even rented out the Sistine Chapel for the first time to the automaker Porsche. oct 2014 Forty Porsche fans paid $5,900 to attend a gala under Michelangelo's famed painted ceiling as part of Pope Francis' Art for Charity project.

https://money.cnn.com/2015/09/24/news/pope-francis-visit-vatican-catholic-church/index.html
 

Jackson123

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Probably a reason why sainthood cost money as well,

the organization also makes money from the Vatican museums sum 65 mil in 2014, lol they even rented out the Sistine Chapel for the first time to the automaker Porsche. oct 2014 Forty Porsche fans paid $5,900 to attend a gala under Michelangelo's famed painted ceiling as part of Pope Francis' Art for Charity project.

https://money.cnn.com/2015/09/24/news/pope-francis-visit-vatican-catholic-church/index.html
Remind me when Jesus mad at the temple because people use the house of the zlord for bussiness.
 
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If anyone should have been on intimate terms with God and with His son
Jesus Christ in the last century, surely it had to be Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu
(a.k.a. Mother Teresa) but curiously, that wasn't the case. It turns out
Teresa was a remarkable actor. Her public image bore no resemblance
whatsoever to the secret life of her inner being. Below are some complaints
she expressed in private letters to spiritual counselors recorded in:


Mother Teresa / Come Be My Light
The Private Writings of the "Saint of Calcutta"
Edited with commentary by Father Brian Kolodiejchuk, M.C.

ISBN 978-0-385-52037-9

"I am told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness &
emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."


"The place of God in my soul is blank-- There is no God in me"

"I feel He does not want me, He is not there, God does not want me"

"When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven, there is such convicting
emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my
very soul. How painful is this unknown pain-- I have no faith."


Teresa also complained of feeling abandoned by Christ-- referring to him as
"the absent one"


Teresa was never really convinced there's a God out there.

"The damned of Hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment
with the loss of God. In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this loss. I
feel that God does not want me, that God is not God; and that He does not
really exist."


At one point Teresa actually prayed thus:

"If there be God; please forgive me."

A prayer that begins with "If there be God" is the prayer of an agnostic;
which Webster's defines as one who is not committed to believing in either
the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god. According to Jas 1:5-8,
agnostic prayers are pings.


To her credit, Teresa wanted a God to be out there, but her utter failure to
feel even the slightest glimmer of the Lord's presence prevented her from
being sure about it.
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Without the Spirit you will feel like God is not with you for there is no change in yourself of the peace, love, and joy of God.

Also the Bible says the Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.

She probably based her belief of God, and being right with Him by her works she did, and did not really have a relationship with God, although we should have works which delights God, but we have to also have a relationship with God which maybe she did not understand that part to do it correctly.

Luk 10:38 Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.
Luk 10:39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.
Luk 10:40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
Luk 10:41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
Luk 10:42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

The Catholic Church is involved with doing many works, even making up traditions saying they are beneficial, and they do many practices that are not of God, and even exalt Mary giving her a status that God did not give her, which God said He does not give His glory to another.

So many Catholics will not have the Spirit, if any of them do for the things they believe, and do.

Maybe she doubted all her life that caused her to feel empty, so it stemmed from her feeling the way she felt not really totally believing, but had the attitude maybe it is true so I will live this way, and find out.

Like some people that say if it is true we will find out, which that is not faith for faith is the evidence of things not seen.

There is no doubt with faith, and no faith then the Spirit will not lead you.

But still coming from the Catholic Church, and all they teach and do, how can they be led of the Spirit, and if not then they will not feel the Spirit, and the peace, love, and joy of the Spirit.

But there are so many Catholics, and that is because they do not settle on how they feel, but have a mental assertion of it, instead of the comfort of the Spirit, and the Spirit bearing witness that they are the children of God.

Mother Theresa was one that did not settle for only a mental assertion that God loved her, but thought there had to be more in the way she felt, feeling God's presence, which by way of the Catholic Church could not come.

If she would of abandoned them, and started from scratch to learn, and give up the pagan way of them, and their exalting Mary, and their works practices that had nothing to do with living for God, she might of finally felt the presence of God.

If you are involved in the practices of the Catholic Church, and their statues of Mary, and exalting her, and the works they do, and making traditions equal to the word of God, and saying Mary is the Queen of heaven, and the mother of God, and the paganism of it, then how can a person of that Church be led of the Spirit.

They cannot.

Love works no ill towards their neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

It is that simple.

Mother Theresa should of come to the conclusion that there is something wrong with the Catholic Church, and not true Christianity, and got away from them, and their ways, and believe there is a God for sure, and she can feel His presence if she is only involved in what she is supposed to be involved in, and glorify God right.

I do not know for sure, and if this story is true, and not something made up.

But there is many people that confess Christ, and believe in the God of Israel, that do not feel the Spirit because of the beliefs they hold unto.

My brother said he did feel the Spirit when he lived for God, and went to Church, and wanted to live right, and was serious, and then he went back to enjoying sin, and got too involved, and then said he could not feel the Spirit, and that he was mad at God, and could not understand the things that he had to go through if there is a God.

If you are not compatible with the operation of God, and His ways, you will not feel the presence of the Spirit, which the Catholic Church is not compatible.

And it is obvious when the Roman Catholic Church first started operating they did not get rid of their pagan ways, but held unto them, and it became their foundation for the interpretation of scriptures.

For the most part the Roman Catholic Church is doing it their way, and instituting the ways of people in it, and that come from the practices of what the world does in their religions.
 
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Remind me when Jesus mad at the temple because people use the house of the zlord for bussiness.
kind of similar, seems history kind of repeats though in different ways.
 

Jackson123

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Looking at the big mega church in the U.S, it appears only about 3% of the 170 billion of its annual budget went to charity

https://www.economist.com/newsbook/2012/08/16/the-working
Yep, It happen every where.

I believe vatican need a Lot of money also for her big project to create one world government.

Some say, vatican believe pope is represent zjesus oN earth, Jesus is The King of King, or King that rule other kings

Secretly vatican want to make Pope rule all Kings in the world, It need big money for brobe the elite from all the world to SUPPORT her Project

Read jesuit oath, and get idea what their believe.

http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html
 
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Yep, It happen every where.

I believe vatican need a Lot of money also for her big project to create one world government.

Some say, vatican believe pope is represent zjesus oN earth, Jesus is The King of King, or King that rule other kings

Secretly vatican want to make Pope rule all Kings in the world, It need big money for brobe the elite from all the world to SUPPORT her Project

Read jesuit oath, and get idea what their believe.

http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html
Maybe but they got a long way to go to catch amazon, the worlds largest king business at little over 900 billion annually crazy world it is.
 

Jackson123

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Maybe but they got a long way to go to catch amazon, the worlds largest king business at little over 900 billion annually crazy world it is.
We may close to rev 13, the beast that have authority to all nation.
 

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You know I like you, but NO ONE can say what you said in your first line with 100% assurance......nor the last line because...

a. Good works do not prove salvation
b. Charity does not prove salvation
c. Moral, lost men and women do the same things she has done.
It's all good my friend. :)
 

Jackson123

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You know I like you, but NO ONE can say what you said in your first line with 100% assurance......nor the last line because...

a. Good works do not prove salvation
b. Charity does not prove salvation
c. Moral, lost men and women do the same things she has done.
What is point C mean?
 
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What is point C mean?
It means exactly what it says....Moral, worldly lost men and women do "good deeds, help in charities, give to the poor, help in soup kitchens, volunteer, etc." every day across the world....IT DOES NOT SAVE THEM,, HELP THEM GET SAVED etc.......Just because someone does such things, it does not mean they are saved............

MANY will.come before Jesus saying, LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS IN YOUR NAME, have we not done x and y....

They claim him as Lord just like MT....they claim their right to enter the Kingdom based upon the MANY wonderful works they have done in his name JUST LIKE MT (done good works)....and yet Jesus states.....I never knew you <---they were NEVER SAVED.....

We cannot use good deeds, works, charitiable work as a STICK to prove salvation....

SALVATION only comes by BELIEVING ANF CONFESSING CHRIST under the banner of the CORRECT MESSAGE <--gospel
 

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It means exactly what it says....Moral, worldly lost men and women do "good deeds, help in charities, give to the poor, help in soup kitchens, volunteer, etc." every day across the world....IT DOES NOT SAVE THEM,, HELP THEM GET SAVED etc.......Just because someone does such things, it does not mean they are saved............

MANY will.come before Jesus saying, LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS IN YOUR NAME, have we not done x and y....

They claim him as Lord just like MT....they claim their right to enter the Kingdom based upon the MANY wonderful works they have done in his name JUST LIKE MT (done good works)....and yet Jesus states.....I never knew you <---they were NEVER SAVED.....

We cannot use good deeds, works, charitiable work as a STICK to prove salvation....

SALVATION only comes by BELIEVING ANF CONFESSING CHRIST under the banner of the CORRECT MESSAGE <--gospel
Yep, I just talk to a man last night, he helping the poor, I think he is Christian, after had conversation, I know he not realy Christian.

He believe islam God and Christian God is the same, we call Him Jesus, they call Him Allah, and he is member of Lutherant church.

My question that he didn't to answer was

If our God and islam God is same, why Jesus teach love and Allah teach to kill infidel?

The only pure love come from Jesus, love that willing to die for other, I never see people have that kind of love
 

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Matt 27:46 . . And about three o’clock Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli,
Eli, lema sabachthani?
" which means, “My God, my God, why have you
forsaken me?”

Jesus resided in the land of Israel for roughly 33 years. Other than six hours
on the cross, he was connected to God the whole time.

John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me
alone; for I do always those things that please Him.

Jesus was deserted for a special purpose; which he fully understood.

John 11:27 . . I am troubled now. Yet what should I say? ‘Father, save me
from this hour’? But it was for this purpose that I came to this hour.

Whereas Teresa could not see any discernable purpose in her own situation.

"Sometimes-- I just hear my own heart cry out-- "My God" and nothing else
comes-- the torture and pain I can't explain"

Jesus' abandonment didn't last even one whole day; whereas Teresa's lasted
nigh to five decades, i.e. 18,250 days; viz: their respective abandonments
are not even close to a reasonable comparison.

In addition: Jesus' prayers are always heard, even the ones he prayed on
the cross.

John 11:41 . . Jesus raised his eyes and said, “Father, I thank you for
hearing me. I know that you always hear me

Teresa's prayers were pings.

"When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven, there is such convicting
emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my
very soul. How painful is this unknown pain-- I have no faith."

Jesus eventually went to heaven. In point of fact, Jesus knew his afterlife
destination before it came to pass.

John 17:11 . . And now I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the
world, while I am coming to You.

Teresa wasn't even confident that a God exists, let alone confident about her
afterlife destination.

"The damned of Hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment
with the loss of God. In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this loss. I
feel that God does not want me, that God is not God; and that He does not
really exist."

Jesus was confident that God loved him.

John 17:24 . . Father, you loved me before the foundation of the world.

Teresa was not so sure about it.

"I am told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness &
emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."
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Rom 8:16 . .The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are
children of God.

The Greek word for "bears witness" means to corroborate; which Webster's
defines as: to support with evidence. So then genuine children of God know
so because the Spirit has gone to the trouble of proving it to them beyond a
shadow of sensible doubt. In other words: the real children of God are
confident that their names are written in heaven.

Here's an item of interest that isn't talked about much.

Rom 8:15 . . For you have not received a spirit of slavery again to fear;
but you have received a spirit of adoption, whereby we call out: Abba,
Father!

Abba is an Aramaic word. It refers to one's male parent but not as an
ordinary noun. It's a filial vocative.

For example: When my son points me out to one of his friends and says
"That's my dad over there." he's not using dad as a vocative. But when he
shouts "Hey dad, I'm over here!" then he's using dad to get my attention.
That's a vocative.

Rom 8:15 is saying that the spirit of adoption compels "we" to call out to a
father rather than a mother. So then, people in the habit of calling out to
Jesus' mom instead of his Father, are not the Father's children because the
spirit of adoption would never compel them to do that.

The spirit of adoption, as it turns out, is the spirit of God's son.

Gal 4:6 . . As proof that you are children, God sent the spirit of His son
into our hearts, crying out: Abba, Father!

The spirit of His son compels the children to pray to Jesus' Father, never to
his mother because Jesus never prayed to his mother. So then, people
compelled by the spirit of His son will address their prayers to Jesus' Father
same as he did.

What does that tell us about Mother Teresa and her devotion to Jesus'
mother? Well obviously the reason she was comfortable addressing prayers
to Mary was because didn't have the spirit of His son in her heart; and she
knew it too.

"The place of God in my soul is blank-- There is no God in me-- He is not
there-- God does not want me"

People lacking the spirit of His son are not His son's sheep.

Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.
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