Born Again Speaking in Tongues

[fredoheaven]

Two workings of the Holy Spirit. The new birth/baptized by one Spirit into one body (1 Corinthians 12:13). The "infilling" of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4). By "labeling" the "infilling" of the Holy Spirit as "baptism of the Holy Spirit," it sounds like you are confusing the two workings.

Yap, this is an old but true and if it's new it's not true. Baptismal regeneration is not a first century teaching of the New Testament church but rather errors brought by erring churches later adopted by the Catholic Church, popularized by Campbell and the existence of the so called "new wave" churches in all sorts.

 

[dcontroversal]

I am sure you have a testimony.
That testimony will surely upset someones doctrine.
Who cares?
Same goes for others.
You are judging holy ground when you think in your mind there is no place of torment that someone could die,and come back to life with a story.
God is bigger than those perrameters you theorized on.

You ABSOLUTELY are peddling religious blather.....NO ONE dies, goes to hell, comes back and then get to get saved and or witness about it......

 

[stonesoffire]

So speaking in tongues is not a gift of the Holy Spirit? Why do certain people on this thread make this out to be so complicated?

It’s not complicated. Our prayer language is speaking to God. The gift of tongues is speaking to man or a fellowship.

The first is prayer. The second is a prophetic word or message. Equal to prophecy as giving a message, but less than prophecy because it takes more faith to step out in your native language than it does to speak in your Spiritual.

It’s not confusing when you move in them.

 

[stonesoffire]

Biblically correct and most of all confirmed by the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 2:1 ¶ And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Speaking all of the new birth.

 

[stonesoffire]

Acts 1:1 to Jude 1:25

That’s what the apostles looked for. The evidence.

This was supposed to be to mailman. Post 2059

 

[stonesoffire]

You ABSOLUTELY are peddling religious blather.....NO ONE dies, goes to hell, comes back and then get to get saved and or witness about it......

It has happened decon. I have a man on my Facebook testifying of this happening.

 

[dcontroversal]

It has happened decon. I have a man on my Facebook testifying of this happening.

And P.T. Barnum said a sucker is born every minute.....there is no second chance....you die lost you do not come back from hell to testify or witness.....No Stones....it has not happened, nor will it!

 

[Dino246]

You ABSOLUTELY are peddling religious blather.....NO ONE dies, goes to hell, comes back and then get to get saved and or witness about it......

I agree with your statement. Would you consider it possible for someone to have a vision of hell and then be revived (not 'resurrected')?

 

[dcontroversal]

I agree with your statement. Would you consider it possible for someone to have a vision of hell and then be revived (not 'resurrected')?

To be honest.....I have a hard time believing anything that is without example in the bible.....

 

[Dino246]

To be honest.....I have a hard time believing anything that is without example in the bible.....

Fair enough.

 

[DeighAnn]

I went back a bunch of pages so its been a little bit since this was put out and I thought I would just throw it out there again.

Born again and speaking in tongues.

There is the "speaking in tongues" that comes from the Holy Spirit which is one tongue and there is the gift of tongues which is another. The ability to easily learn and speak many different languages to teach the Word is the gift of tongues. A gift I received NONE of. Those who receive this gift are unaware of how special it is (from what I have experienced). Example of NONE = You take the same language course twice and get worse the 2nd time. You go stay in the country and can barely get by. Your parent born and raised and fluent speaks on the phone a couple days every week and you can still barely say hello.
When you have this gift you may have an interpreter and don't speak long (cause it is hard on the one listening) and you teach FROM the word of God. There is no babel, no confusion, there is no unintelligible language going on. God is not the author of confusion. He does not speak in secret.

The Holy Spirit speaking through someone. EVERY PERSON who hears it HEARS IT not only in their own native tongue, but also with the "accent" familiar to them. So if there are 27 different people from 27 different countries who speak 27 different languages, all of them hear the exact same Words receive the exact same message, at the exact same time, all from the Holy Spirit .

I know been discussed a couple hundred times by now but couldn't help myself.

 

[Dino246]

I went back a bunch of pages so its been a little bit since this was put out and I thought I would just throw it out there again.

Born again and speaking in tongues.

There is the "speaking in tongues" that comes from the Holy Spirit which is one tongue and there is the gift of tongues which is another. The ability to easily learn and speak many different languages to teach the Word is the gift of tongues. A gift I received NONE of. Those who receive this gift are unaware of how special it is (from what I have experienced). Example of NONE = You take the same language course twice and get worse the 2nd time. You go stay in the country and can barely get by. Your parent born and raised and fluent speaks on the phone a couple days every week and you can still barely say hello.
When you have this gift you may have an interpreter and don't speak long (cause it is hard on the one listening) and you teach FROM the word of God. There is no babel, no confusion, there is no unintelligible language going on. God is not the author of confusion. He does not speak in secret.

The Holy Spirit speaking through someone. EVERY PERSON who hears it HEARS IT not only in their own native tongue, but also with the "accent" familiar to them. So if there are 27 different people from 27 different countries who speak 27 different languages, all of them hear the exact same Words receive the exact same message, at the exact same time, all from the Holy Spirit .

I know been discussed a couple hundred times by now but couldn't help myself.

Respectfully, I disagree with you view on the gift of tongues. Something that can be learned is not a gift of the Holy Spirit, and there are unbelievers who have great facility with languages. While such a view is plausible, in light of the other gifts of the Spirit which cannot be learned and would only be available to a Christian believer (prophecy, discernment, miracles), it makes sense to me that the gifts of tongues (speaking and interpretation) are not the same as natural talents or learned languages.

 

[wolfwint]

I am so blessed to have the KNOWLEDGE of the FULLNESS of GOD!.

You are shure? According John this we will have when Jesus returns. Till then our knowledge is piecework.

 

[DeighAnn]

Tongues confounded in judgment Gen 11:9, Given in grace Acts 2:4, United in glory Rev 7:9

 

[DeighAnn]

Respectfully, I disagree with you view on the gift of tongues. Something that can be learned is not a gift of the Holy Spirit, and there are unbelievers who have great facility with languages. While such a view is plausible, in light of the other gifts of the Spirit which cannot be learned and would only be available to a Christian believer (prophecy, discernment, miracles), it makes sense to me that the gifts of tongues (speaking and interpretation) are not the same as natural talents or learned languages.

I guess we could see it differently yet lets see if Wisdom is just given or if it has a beginning “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding” it would seem this would be something that must be gone after also. Would you agree? And I would have to include the gift of prophesy as public speaking is learned by many.

 

[wolfwint]

Acts 10
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Art Montgomery ,when ministering to muslims ,gets them baptised in the Holy Spirit first,because they are too resistant of anything concerning Jesus.
(The Holy Spirit points men to Jesus)

You mean he baptise them with the Holy Spirit before they believe in Jesus? Where you find this in the bible? In acts you find that the Holy Spirit change the hearts before the people turn to Christ.
Do you realy believe he does this not today too. This has nothing to do with the baptism with the Holy Spirit.

 

[DeighAnn]

1100 glossa the tongue, a language, and miraculously spoke in other actual languages, i.e. that they could not speak before

Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
Acts 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
Acts 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Acts 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
Acts 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Acts 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Acts 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Many people believe speaking in tongues in an "unknown" language. But even on the Day of Pentecost it was known to everyone.

 

[mailmandan]

It’s not complicated. Our prayer language is speaking to God. The gift of tongues is speaking to man or a fellowship.

The first is prayer. The second is a prophetic word or message. Equal to prophecy as giving a message, but less than prophecy because it takes more faith to step out in your native language than it does to speak in your Spiritual.

It’s not confusing when you move in them.

I wasn't talking about the gift of tongues or prophecy in general being complicated. I was making a distinction between two workings of the Holy Spirit. Being "baptized by one Spirit into one body" in 1 Corinthians 12:13 and being "filled" with the Holy Spirit that resulted in speaking in tongues in Acts 2:4. By "labeling" being "filled" with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues as "baptism of the Holy Spirit" sounds like you are confusing the two workings. Also, when I quoted 1 Corinthians 12:30 in which the apostle Paul asked the question, "Do all speak with tongues" in which the answer to that rhetorical question is "NO," yet you stated - "do all speak with tongues is listed with the gifts." That is making it complicated.

After hearing testimonies from numerous former Pentecostals who have been involved in countless charismatic influences and some which have attended meetings involving the “Prophetic Movement,” I proceed with caution. In certain conferences such people have mentioned they were taught how to prophesy to people. They called it being "activated." Some had made trips to Toronto for “Catch The Fire” conferences, in which the well known “Toronto Blessing” supposedly took place. So from the Toronto blessing, to the Brownsville revival, and other places they mentioned, they claimed there were no miracles, no gifts, no healings, nothing but the theatrical antics and delusions of men and was nothing more than musical hype and psychologically induced emotionalism. Testimonies such as these, along with those who overemphasize or even abuse spiritual gifts to the point of perverting the gospel by teaching that if you have not spoken in tongues, you have not yet received the Holy Spirit and won't be saved certainly raises a red flag for me!

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that there are no miracles today or gifts or healings, but there are some deceptive movements out there within Pentecostal circles who have perverted charismatic influences and the gospel itself! My friend who is a Pentecostal and attends an Assemblies of God church has mentioned that "certain" Pentecostals are "out of balance" in their view of spiritual gifts and some are dangerous false teachers, such as Oneness Pentecostals for example.

 

[notuptome]

Speaking all of the new birth.

Which the baptism of the Holy Spirit produces. No Holy Spirit baptism no new life in Christ. One must be quickened from dead in trespass and sin to be made alive unto eternal life by the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[mailmandan]

Where does the Bible say that EVERYONE in the early church who have been baptized by one Spirit into one body spoke in tongues and prophesied?

Acts 1:1 to Jude 1:25

That’s what the apostles looked for. The evidence. This was supposed to be to mailman. Post 2059

I'm looking for evidence from Acts 1:1 to Jude 1:25 which proves that EVERYONE in the early church who have been baptized by one Spirit into one body spoke in tongues and prophesied, but I cannot find it.

In Acts 2:41, nothing is mentioned about these 3,000 converts speaking in tongues and prophesying. In Acts 4:4, nothing is mentioned about these 5,000 converts speaking in tongues and prophesying. In Acts 8:36-40, nothing is mentioned about the Ethiopian eunuch speaking in tongues and prophesying. In Acts 16:14-15, nothing is mentioned about Lydia speaking in tongues and prophesying. In Acts 16:30-34, nothing is mentioned about the Philippian jailor or his household speaking in tongues and prophesying. hmm..