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I don't see any response to the scripture proofs given.
As usual your tactic is to belittle and deviate from the points given.
I choose to accept God's word for what it says.
How are we saved? By grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) You choose to accept the scriptures for what you want them to say in order to accommodate your biased church doctrine.
Acts 4:4 - However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand.
Acts 5:14 - And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women.
You have no scripture proofs and only choose to accept what you want to accept. I just hope and pray that a seed has been planted that one day will be watered and lead you to the truth.
Good luck with that bro, more than a few here that believe only that which is hammered out on their own anvil.....scriptural truth = slag in their minds
Prophecy is for believers. Signs for those who believe not. They have no faith coming from prophecy . We walk by faith the eternal not by sight as a sign, the temporal snapchat.
Those following after and not leading by seeking signs ... exit (you have just left Chicago city limits) They are clearly metaphors used in a parable to hide the unseen eternal understanding from natural man . . . that enjoys seeking after signs as wonders for the moment . The self edifier rather than walking by the faith that comes from hearing God. All the signs in Mark 16 apply to every a believer when they hear the tongue of God's prophecy, the gospel of salvation. it not you get one sign to and another gift another sign .Its all one big sign (I heard the gospel)
One of the first signs is a person is eager to share the new tongue, the gospel and because it is God's interpretation (sola scriptura) we will not be deceived by false prophecy from another author .The bible refers to false prophecy as poison we are protected by the integrity of his interpretation, the idea of some unknown interpretation as a tongue simply cannot generate faith mysticism yes, faith (Christ's) as it is written..... no.
Study the law spoken of in 1 Corinthians 14:22-23 Once you find what the sign confirms Then whole picture comes clear and not as it would seem to me a snapchat
So you can be a spiritual person dead in sin?
WHAT??
I missed this earlier.
I understood your question to be is a person made alive in Christ or just born again but not yet baptized in Holy Spirit, a spiritual person.
I said no because it’s the baptism in Spirit that empowers us to walk and live as Spirit.
I study the words using concordances and Holy Spirit shows me things. It’s not changing anything but enhancing the truth.
I love revelation that reveals our Heavenly Father through poetic pictures of His Son.
It’s the sweetness of His Word.
Taste and see.
If only that were true. You believe what you choose from the scriptures and deny the sovereignty of God. You are just fine when you get to tell God how He should do stuff but you struggle against Gods grace and His complete provision in creating His children.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You hit the nail on the head!
Jesus was pointing to the fact that John's message for all to be water baptized came directly from God. The Pharisees refused to submit to water baptism even though it was clearly instructed by God through John the Baptist. Notice the scripture specifically states that the Pharisees rejected the very counsel of God:
"And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him." Luke 7:29-30
The Pharisees refused to answer Jesus question because they did not want to admit what the surely knew. The command to accept water baptism came directly from heaven yet they refused to be obedient anyway.
"And he answered and said unto them, I will also ask you one thing; and answer me:
The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?" Luke 20:3-4
Jesus' question was directed to the Pharisees who refused to accept John's God-inspired message. Water baptism as well as the infilling of the Holy Ghost were both commands that came directly from heaven. The following scripture concerning Pharisees rejecting the counsel of God says it all:
"And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him." Luke 7:29-30
Scripture includes God-given instructions that all must follow. No one can discard scriptures just because they do not fit one's perception of the truth.
I said the scriptures aren’t complete in the book of Acts Roger. Try to look a bit closer. Plus I read this scripture as about the prophecy of the book of Revelation.
If you deny revelation of the scriptures, then you take away the offices of Prophet, Teacher, and the work of Holy Spirit. Even Pastor. Evangelism is soul winning, and Apostle should be church structure and order. All through our wonderful TEACHER, COUNSELOR, COMFORTER, GUIDE AND THE VERY SPIRIT OF FATHER HIMSELF.
Jesus finished all His work and has taken His position with Father in heaven. He has revealed Father to us through Himself. But, you can look at the words of the scriptures and get more truth from them through the work of Holy Spirit. This is His time of ministry on earth, to do what He’s assigned. Revealing the work of Jesus.
There is much to be seen through the OT about the sacrifices, and the very nation of Israel and their spiritual lives and acts to glean.
He is here and He makes Himself known when He is welcomed.
You can answer but I’m done with you.
God-given instructions that all must follow. . . as a law ? Like that spoken of in 1 Corinthians 14:22-23?
Looking at the favorite verse of those who seek after a sign and wonders gospel, or signs as a working wonderment gospel to confirm something. It would seem to be another gospel and not the gospel of faith.?
What do all of signs used as "one reason" that follows after using them as metaphors represent the unseen eternal?
They are not sign to be desired or sought after. Like: "Seek after these signs to confirm something unknown". They follow those who believe they have left Chicago, The sign said come again you have just left the Chicago city limits just went by.
The true believer will cast out the spirits of lies with his new tongue. The gospel of salvation .Because they would dare not go above that which is written .God interpretation the book of His prophecy .Those who appose the sign metaphors and offer prophecy in another name as false prophets .There false doctrines of men they are trying to sell will be seen as worthless. . . no ability to poison there new minds . Not possible to deceive the elect in that way. They are warned beforehand not to beleive or have faith in respect to that kind of poison.. They having been given a desire to do the will as a appeal to God . the laying on of hands a metaphors that speaks of the desire to do the will of another in a hope God will heal .
Again its all those signs working as One .Not I will drink poison today, and tomorrow raise the dead with my new unknown tongue, of a unknown knowledge, or unknown source. That simply could not be a source of faith be which we could believe God.
Mark 16:16-18 King James Version (KJV) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Those who follow in his name or power. Not the dead flesh as the witness of men. There must be a distinction between the things of men seen the temporal as and the eternal things of Go not seen The place of His faith where he works his Labor of Love. .