Was Adam and Eve a newer creation than genesis 1?

[eternally-gratefull]

By the way, the above was taken from a book written by dr Walt Brown.

 

[UnderGrace]

Decay Rates. Each radioisotope has a half-life—the time it would take for half of a large sample of that isotope to decay at today’s rate. Half-lives range from less than a billionth of a second to many millions of trillions of years.14 Most attempts to change decay rates have failed. For example, changing temperatures between -427°F and +4,500°F has produced no measurable change in decay rates. Nor have accelerations of up to 970,000 g, magnetic fields up to 45,000 gauss, or changing elevations or chemical concentrations.

However, it was learned as far back as 1971 that high pressure could increase decay rates very slightly for at least 14 isotopes.15 Under great pressure, electrons (especially from the innermost shell) are squeezed closer to the nucleus, making electron capture more likely. Also, electron capture rates for a few radioisotopes change in different chemical compounds.16

Beta decay rates can increase dramatically when atoms are stripped of all their electrons. In 1999, Germany’s Dr. Fritz Bosch showed that, for the rhenium atom, this “decreases its half-life more than a billionfold—from 42-billion years to 33 years.”17 The more electrons removed, the more rapidly neutrons expel electrons (beta decay) and become protons. This effect was previously unknown, because only electrically neutral atoms had been used in measuring half-lives.18

Decay rates for silicon-32 (32Si), chlorine-36 (36Cl), manganese-54 (54Mn), and radium-226 (226Ra) depend slightly on Earth’s distance from the Sun.19 They decay, respectively, by beta, alpha, and electron capture. Other radioisotopes seem to be similarly affected. This may be an electrical effect or a consequence of neutrinos20 flowing from the Sun.

Patents have been awarded to major corporations for electrical devices that claim to accelerate alpha, beta, and gamma decay and thereby decontaminate hazardous nuclear wastes. However, they have not been shown to work on a large scale. An interesting patent awarded to William A. Barker is described as follows:21

Radioactive material is placed in or on a Van de Graaff generator where an electric potential of 50,000 – 500,000 volts is applied for at least 30 minutes. This large negative voltage is thought to lower each nucleus’ energy barrier. Thus alpha, beta, and gamma particles rapidly escape radioactive nuclei.

While these electrical devices may accelerate decay rates, a complete theoretical understanding of them does not yet exist, they are expensive, and they act only on small samples. However, the common belief that decay rates are constant in all conditions should now be discarded.

We can think of a large sample of a radioisotope as a slowly-leaking balloon with a meter that measures the balloon’s total leakage since it was filled. Different radioisotopes have different leakage rates, or half-lives. (Stable isotopes do not leak; they are not radioactive.)

Some people may think that a balloon’s age can be determined by dividing the balloon’s total leakage by its leakage rate today. Here, we will address more basic issues: What “pumped up” all radioisotopes in the first place, and when did it happen? Did the pumping process rapidly produce considerable initial leakage—billions of years’ worth, based on today’s slow leakage rates?

I HAVE MORE IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

None of this deals with the effect of the of heat and energy released, which would be substantial when the decay rate is accelerated.

 

[DeighAnn]

Where in the bible do you find men making musical instruments 10,000 years ago?

Don't know about the 10,000 yrs but the mystery jumped right to it,
16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.

building of cities, music, workers of metal, the first polygamy, those who dwell in tents. and murder it seems

 

[eternally-gratefull]

None of this deals with the effect of the of heat and energy released, which would be substantial when the decay rate is accelerated.

Based on ASSUMPTIONS.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I only gave a small aspect of the whole thing dr brown said, it is to large to fit here

It debunked the origioanl theory of which you positions holds to begin with, If the root of yoru argument is flawed. The rest most likely has issues too.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

More from the article.

Since February 2000, thousands of sophisticated experiments at the Proton-21 Electrodynamics Research Laboratory (Kiev, Ukraine) have demonstrated nuclear combustion31 by producing traces of all known chemical elements and their stable isotopes.32 In those experiments, a brief (10-8second), 50,000 volt, electron flow, at relativistic speeds, self-focuses (Z-pinches) inside a hemispherical electrode target, typically 0.5 mm in diameter. The relative abundance of chemical elements produced generally corresponds to what is found in the Earth’s crust.

... the statistical mean curves of the abundance of chemical elements created in our experiments are close to those characteristic in the Earth’s crust.33

Each experiment used one of 22 separate electrode materials, including copper, silver, platinum, bismuth, and lead, each at least 99.90% pure. In a typical experiment, the energy of an electron pulse is less than 300 joules (roughly 0.3 BTU or 0.1 watt-hour), but it is focused—Z-pinched—onto a point inside the electrode. That point, because of the concentrated electrical heating, instantly becomes the center of a tiny sphere of dense plasma.

With a burst of more than 1018 electrons flowing through the center of this plasma sphere, the surrounding nuclei (positive ions) implode onto that center. Compression from this implosion easily overcomes the normal Coulomb repulsion between the positively charged nuclei. The resulting fusion produces superheavy chemical elements, some twice as heavy as uranium and some that last for a few months.34 All eventually fission, producing a wide variety of new chemical elements and isotopes.

For an instant, temperatures in this “hot dot” (less than one ten-millionth of a millimeter in diameter) reached 3.5 × 108 K—an energy density greatly exceeding that of a supernova! The electrodes ruptured with a flash of light, including x-rays and gamma rays. [See Figure 206.] Also emitted were alpha and beta particles, plasma, and dozens of transmuted chemical elements. The total energy in this “hot dot” was about four orders of magnitude greater than the electrical energy input! However, as explained in Figure 203 on page 388, heat was absorbed by elements heavier than iron that were produced by fusion. Therefore, little heat was emitted from the entire experiment. The new elements resulted from a “cold repacking” of the nucleons of the target electrode.35

Dr. Stanislav Adamenko, the laboratory’s scientific director, believes that these experiments are microscopic analogs of events occurring in supernovas and other phenomena involving Z-pinched electrical pulses.36

The Proton-21 Laboratory, which has received patents in Europe, the United States, and Japan, collaborates with other laboratories that wish to verify results and duplicate experiments.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Figure 202: Arcs and Sparks at the Sandia National Laboratory. Electrical charges flowing within plasma act as if they are flowing in trillions of nearly parallel, closely packed wires. Each moving charge creates a magnetic field that cuts across nearby “wires,” producing a force that steadily squeezes charges toward each other. (This same force drives electric motors.) A high burst of current2 through parallel wires produces a powerful force, called the Z-pinch, which pinches the wires together. In the Z-pinch machine above, the electrical surge vaporizes the wires and creates a plasma. The Z-pinch then tends to fuse atomic nuclei together. Nuclear engineers at Sandia are using this extremely powerful compressive force in plasmas to try to make a fusion reactor. If this or other technologies succeed, the world will have inexhaustible amounts of cheap, clean electrical energy.3 This chapter will show that gigantic electrical discharges within the Earth’s crust during the global flood quickly produced Earth’s radioactivity and—based on today’s extremely slow decay rates—billions of years’ worth of radioactive decay products.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Binding Energy. When separate nucleons (protons and neutrons) are brought together to form a nucleus, a tiny percentage of their mass is instantly converted to a large amount of energy. That energy (usually measured in units of millions of electron volts, or MeV) is called binding energy, because an extremely strong force inside the nucleus tightly binds the nucleons together—snaps them powerfully together—producing a burst of heat.

For example, a deuterium (hydrogen-2) nucleus contains a proton and a neutron. Its nucleus has a total binding energy of about 2.2 MeV, so the average binding energy per nucleon is about 1.1 MeV. If two deuterium nuclei merge to become helium, 2.2 MeV + 2.2 MeV of binding energy are replaced by helium-4’s average binding energy of 7.1 MeV per nucleon, or a total of 4 x 7.1 MeV. The gain in binding energy becomes emitted heat. This merging of light nuclei is called fusion. The Sun derives most of its heat by the fusion of deuterium into helium.8 The peak of the binding energy curve (above) is around 60 AMU (near iron), so fusion normally9 merges into nuclei lighter than 60 AMU. The fusion of elements heavier than 60 AMU absorb energy.

Fission is the splitting of heavy nuclei. For example, when uranium fissions, the sum of the binding energies of the fragments is greater than the binding energy of the uranium nucleus, so energy is released. Fission (as well as fusion) can be sustained only if energy is released to drive more fission (or fusion).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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Where Is Earth’s Radioactivity? Three types of measurements each show that Earth’s radioactivity is concentrated in the relatively thin continental (granite) crust. In 1906, some scientists recognized that just the heat from the radioactivity in the granite crust should explain all the heat now coming out of the Earth. If radioactivity were occurring below the crust, even more heat should be exiting. Because it is not, radioactivity should be concentrated in the top “few tens of kilometers” of the Earth—and have begun recently.

The distribution of radioactive material with depth is unknown, but amounts of the order of those observed at the surface must be confined to a relatively thin layer below the Earth’s surface of the order of a few tens of kilometers in thickness, otherwise more heat would be generated than can be accounted for by the observed loss from the surface.45

Later, holes drilled into the ocean floor showed slightly more heat coming up through the ocean floors than through the continents. But basaltic rocks under the ocean floor contain little radioactivity.46 Apparently, radioactive decay is not the primary source of Earth’s geothermal heat.

A second type of measurement occurred in Germany’s Deep Drilling Program. The concentration of radioactivity measured down Germany’s deepest hole (5.7 miles) would account for all the heat flowing out at the Earth’s surface if that concentration continued down to a depth of only 18.8 miles and if the crust were 4-billion years old.47

However, the rate at which temperatures increased with depth was so great that if the trend continued, the rock at the top of the mantle would be partially melted. Seismic studies have shown that this is not the case.48 Therefore, temperatures do not continue increasing down to the mantle, so the source of the heating is concentrated in the Earth’s crust.

A third measurement technique, used in regions of the United States and Australia, shows a strange, but well-verified, correlation: the amount of heat flowing out of the Earth at specific locations correlates with the radioactivity in surface rocks at those locations. Wherever radioactivity is high, the heat flow will usually be high; wherever radioactivity is low, the heat flow will usually be low. However, the radioactivity at those hotter locations is far too small to account for that heat.49 What does this correlation mean?

First, consider what it does not necessarily mean. When two sets of measurements correlate (or correspond), people often mistakenly conclude that one of the things measured (such as radioactivity in surface rocks at one location) caused the other thing being measured (surface heat flow at that location). Even experienced researchers sometimes make this mistake. Students of statistics are repeatedly warned of this common mistake in logic, and hundreds of humorous50 and tragic examples are given; nevertheless, the problem abounds in all research fields.

This correlation could be explained if most of the heat flowing up through the Earth’s surface was generated, not by the radioactivity itself, but by the events that produced that radioactivity. If more heat is coming out of the ground at one place, then more radioactivity was also produced there. Therefore, radioactivity in surface rocks would correlate with surface heat flow.

 

[Dino246]

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Where Is Earth’s Radioactivity? Three types of measurements each show that Earth’s radioactivity is concentrated in the relatively thin continental (granite) crust. In 1906, some scientists recognized that just the heat from the radioactivity in the granite crust should explain all the heat now coming out of the Earth. If radioactivity were occurring below the crust, even more heat should be exiting. Because it is not, radioactivity should be concentrated in the top “few tens of kilometers” of the Earth—and have begun recently.

The distribution of radioactive material with depth is unknown, but amounts of the order of those observed at the surface must be confined to a relatively thin layer below the Earth’s surface of the order of a few tens of kilometers in thickness, otherwise more heat would be generated than can be accounted for by the observed loss from the surface.45

Later, holes drilled into the ocean floor showed slightly more heat coming up through the ocean floors than through the continents. But basaltic rocks under the ocean floor contain little radioactivity.46 Apparently, radioactive decay is not the primary source of Earth’s geothermal heat.

A second type of measurement occurred in Germany’s Deep Drilling Program. The concentration of radioactivity measured down Germany’s deepest hole (5.7 miles) would account for all the heat flowing out at the Earth’s surface if that concentration continued down to a depth of only 18.8 miles and if the crust were 4-billion years old.47

However, the rate at which temperatures increased with depth was so great that if the trend continued, the rock at the top of the mantle would be partially melted. Seismic studies have shown that this is not the case.48 Therefore, temperatures do not continue increasing down to the mantle, so the source of the heating is concentrated in the Earth’s crust.

A third measurement technique, used in regions of the United States and Australia, shows a strange, but well-verified, correlation: the amount of heat flowing out of the Earth at specific locations correlates with the radioactivity in surface rocks at those locations. Wherever radioactivity is high, the heat flow will usually be high; wherever radioactivity is low, the heat flow will usually be low. However, the radioactivity at those hotter locations is far too small to account for that heat.49 What does this correlation mean?

First, consider what it does not necessarily mean. When two sets of measurements correlate (or correspond), people often mistakenly conclude that one of the things measured (such as radioactivity in surface rocks at one location) caused the other thing being measured (surface heat flow at that location). Even experienced researchers sometimes make this mistake. Students of statistics are repeatedly warned of this common mistake in logic, and hundreds of humorous50 and tragic examples are given; nevertheless, the problem abounds in all research fields.

This correlation could be explained if most of the heat flowing up through the Earth’s surface was generated, not by the radioactivity itself, but by the events that produced that radioactivity. If more heat is coming out of the ground at one place, then more radioactivity was also produced there. Therefore, radioactivity in surface rocks would correlate with surface heat flow.

Ug... more homework!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ug... more homework!

This is one of about 4 books that changed my view on creation (gap theory) and the flood

 

[Melach]

There is a big gap of billions of years between the creation of the earth and the life of Adam and Eve who were living in the Bronze Age and who mark the beginning of Jewish history. They were not the first people ever, not by a long chalk. They just happened to be living at a time when people/nations were learning to write.

Remember the Old Testament is about the Jews only. It is not a history of the world.

so are you saying God created humans then billions of years later created Adam and Eve? can you say some more about what you mean? i think you have an interesting theory. i believe there could be a gap there why not? bible has many gaps like in prophecy daniel's week think about it guys.

 

[Dino246]

This is one of about 4 books that changed my view on creation (gap theory) and the flood

In the last couple of years, I've spent far more time listening to videos on YT than reading, though my list of 'required reading' is growing constantly. Perhaps you could PM me the list of books?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In the last couple of years, I've spent far more time listening to videos on YT than reading, though my list of 'required reading' is growing constantly. Perhaps you could PM me the list of books?

You have mail brother

 

[garee]

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Where Is Earth’s Radioactivity? Three types of measurements each show that Earth’s radioactivity is concentrated in the relatively thin continental (granite) crust. In 1906, some scientists recognized that just the heat from the radioactivity in the granite crust should explain all the heat now coming out of the Earth. If radioactivity were occurring below the crust, even more heat should be exiting. Because it is not, radioactivity should be concentrated in the top “few tens of kilometers” of the Earth—and have begun recently.

The distribution of radioactive material with depth is unknown, but amounts of the order of those observed at the surface must be confined to a relatively thin layer below the Earth’s surface of the order of a few tens of kilometers in thickness, otherwise more heat would be generated than can be accounted for by the observed loss from the surface.45

Later, holes drilled into the ocean floor showed slightly more heat coming up through the ocean floors than through the continents. But basaltic rocks under the ocean floor contain little radioactivity.46 Apparently, radioactive decay is not the primary source of Earth’s geothermal heat.

A second type of measurement occurred in Germany’s Deep Drilling Program. The concentration of radioactivity measured down Germany’s deepest hole (5.7 miles) would account for all the heat flowing out at the Earth’s surface if that concentration continued down to a depth of only 18.8 miles and if the crust were 4-billion years old.47

However, the rate at which temperatures increased with depth was so great that if the trend continued, the rock at the top of the mantle would be partially melted. Seismic studies have shown that this is not the case.48 Therefore, temperatures do not continue increasing down to the mantle, so the source of the heating is concentrated in the Earth’s crust.

A third measurement technique, used in regions of the United States and Australia, shows a strange, but well-verified, correlation: the amount of heat flowing out of the Earth at specific locations correlates with the radioactivity in surface rocks at those locations. Wherever radioactivity is high, the heat flow will usually be high; wherever radioactivity is low, the heat flow will usually be low. However, the radioactivity at those hotter locations is far too small to account for that heat.49 What does this correlation mean?

First, consider what it does not necessarily mean. When two sets of measurements correlate (or correspond), people often mistakenly conclude that one of the things measured (such as radioactivity in surface rocks at one location) caused the other thing being measured (surface heat flow at that location). Even experienced researchers sometimes make this mistake. Students of statistics are repeatedly warned of this common mistake in logic, and hundreds of humorous50 and tragic examples are given; nevertheless, the problem abounds in all research fields.

This correlation could be explained if most of the heat flowing up through the Earth’s surface was generated, not by the radioactivity itself, but by the events that produced that radioactivity. If more heat is coming out of the ground at one place, then more radioactivity was also produced there. Therefore, radioactivity in surface rocks would correlate with surface heat flow.

We do not know God after the witness of men .Eletroincs has become the new god . the temporal things seen a not a source of faith . the things seen t point to the unseen . (called mixing faith in Hebrew 4.

The idea invent a machine and make up you own way to calibrate it without a standard that could be used is a law, simply explains the philosophies of men as traditions of men .

We are warned of those who build a faith on the things seen as if God could be discovered through a microscope or carbon dating.
They could lead to talking about the gospel but never a source for believing God. Trying to calibrate the corruption that began when God corrupted it is like finding the missing bone..

Genesis 6:12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

The electronic gospel has crept into many area of the church .They even have the idea of chips as some sort of sign and wonder as hope of avoiding. As if we did walk after the temporal and not the eternal. .One source of faith....as it is written

One thing to have that knowledge but to use that as the gospel I would be careful how you hear? Remember not after the rudiments . that the temporal prophecy of the god of this world. Preach the gospel it reveals who corrupted the whole creation. No carbon dating tool can discover that.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

The Spirit dating law . . . no calibration needed..

2 Corinthians 4:18 King James Version (KJV) While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Magenta]

I had to stop reading the past few posts I could not take it any more.. You have patience.

Thank you EG. It puzzles me when people refuse to admit what Scripture actually says. What they read into it is something else, but you (general you) cannot start with assumptions to arrive at conclusions that are then forced on others who may have made other reasonable assumptions... the assumptions need to be clarified as assumptions, not Biblical facts. Cain building a city through reproduction is a reasonable reading of the passages that were under discussion. It is clear he had many offspring. Saying Cain built a city is not to say he laid every brick and raised every wall of every house. That is not a reasonable thing to assume, or to pretend another assumes.

 

[DeighAnn]

We do not know God after the witness of men .Eletroincs has become the new god . the temporal things seen a not a source of faith . the things seen t point to the unseen . (called mixing faith in Hebrew 4.

The idea invent a machine and make up you own way to calibrate it without a standard that could be used is a law, simply explains the philosophies of men as traditions of men .

We are warned of those who build a faith on the things seen as if God could be discovered through a microscope or carbon dating.
They could lead to talking about the gospel but never a source for believing God. Trying to calibrate the corruption that began when God corrupted it is like finding the missing bone..

Genesis 6:12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

The electronic gospel has crept into many area of the church .They even have the idea of chips as some sort of sign and wonder as hope of avoiding. As if we did walk after the temporal and not the eternal. .One source of faith....as it is written

One thing to have that knowledge but to use that as the gospel I would be careful how you hear? Remember not after the rudiments . that the temporal prophecy of the god of this world. Preach the gospel it reveals who corrupted the whole creation. No carbon dating tool can discover that.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

The Spirit dating law . . . no calibration needed..

2 Corinthians 4:18 King James Version (KJV) While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I don't know if I got it right but if you are saying Christians today are getting their information about God in EVERY way except sitting down and reading and studying The written Word, so no longer able to find Gods Truth but mans traditions, I would have to agree. Even when straight out of the book you present the chapter and verse, it seems truth can no longer be seen through the confusion of their own thoughts. Speculation is rampant when the Word is explaining itself and therefore not needed and refuse Speculation when a tiny bit would render the natural truth to shine right on through, needing at that point written verse. If you are not saying this, I will be apologizing again.

 

[PS]

so are you saying God created humans then billions of years later created Adam and Eve? can you say some more about what you mean? i think you have an interesting theory. i believe there could be a gap there why not? bible has many gaps like in prophecy daniel's week think about it guys.

Quite simply the Genesis account of creation in chapters 1, 2, and 3 is amazingly accurate and that can only be thanks to divine inspiration, because no way could the Biblical scribe have known that was the way it happened.

Then there is a gap of billions of years when everything in the Garden was lovely until sin stepped in, and the world with all it's wickedness became like it is today.

Fast forward millions of years to about 4000 BC with the birth of the Jewish nation that began with the Israelites and we have a written account of Cain, Able, Adam and Eve.

So chapters one, two, and three describes the creation of all living things including mankind, and then there is a gap of billions of years when we read about the Adam family in chapter four.

I hope that helps.

 

[Noose]

I don't understand this radio-dating thing but IMO it is nothing more than circular reasoning.

The Earth is the original clock from which we defined 'time'- meaning that a Year/ a day/ a second/ an hour/ a minute are time periods as measured/observed/experienced from earths movements. To be crude, a Year is a time period that the earth takes one revolution against the sun. So anything/ measurement given as time is somehow connected to the earth's movement.

For example; if a rock is dated 4 million years- means the earth has had 4 million revolutions against the sun since that rock formed. Using a rock (part of earth) to define how many revolutions the earth has made (using earth's defined time) since the arth was formed is circular reasoning.

It is like having a functioning clock and buying another clock. Using your first clock to calibrate the second clock and then using your second clock to determine how long you have been having the first clock. It doesn't work.

It all started with having the wrong definition of time. Time is an experience by a conscious mind and without the mind, time doesn't exist as an independent item.

 

[Dino246]

Quite simply the Genesis account of creation in chapters 1, 2, and 3 is amazingly accurate and that can only be thanks to divine inspiration, because no way could the Biblical scribe have known that was the way it happened.

Then there is a gap of billions of years when everything in the Garden was lovely until sin stepped in, and the world with all it's wickedness became like it is today.

Because, after all, Scripture is "amazingly accurate and can only be thanks to divine inspiration" but that same divine source failed to note in the "amazingly accurate" account that there was a gap of billions of years between the creation of humans and the events of Genesis 4 and later.

Good grief; you've been reading the Bible According to Richard Dawkins. Your concept of "amazingly accurate" needs work.

smh...