"... and the Word was GOd. ..."

[cv5]

Have you ever wondered why John 1:1 says that Jesus is God, "... and the Word was God."? That's because he is. What I am saying is, Jesus is the long awaited God who promised to come as a man to save his people from their sins. Isaiah 43:3 states it this way: "Encourage those who are afraid. Tell them to strong and do not doubt. I am coming to … save you.

And this is exactly what we see him doing in the Gospels. As God he went to the cross in our place to wipe out our sin debt. And I am so thankful that he did!

But you might say, what about the other part of John 1:1 that says, "... he was with God?" This is just a symbolic way of that saying that God has two other names besides Jesus, The Father and The Holy Spirit. But we call him Jesus simply because he wants us to.

As it says in Matthew 1:21: "And she shall have a son, and you are to call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.

Rev Autrey

modalistic monarchianism aka sabellianism. A very old heresy. Now known as oneness Pentecostalism.

I never enter the confines of any so-called pentecostal church. I immediately start preaching and get run out on a rail.

 

[cv5]

Have you ever wondered why John 1:1 says that Jesus is God, "... and the Word was God."? That's because he is. What I am saying is, Jesus is the long awaited God who promised to come as a man to save his people from their sins. Isaiah 43:3 states it this way: "Encourage those who are afraid. Tell them to strong and do not doubt. I am coming to … save you.

And this is exactly what we see him doing in the Gospels. As God he went to the cross in our place to wipe out our sin debt. And I am so thankful that he did!

But you might say, what about the other part of John 1:1 that says, "... he was with God?" This is just a symbolic way of that saying that God has two other names besides Jesus, The Father and The Holy Spirit. But we call him Jesus simply because he wants us to.

As it says in Matthew 1:21: "And she shall have a son, and you are to call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.

Rev Autrey

BTW.... there are no genuine "reverends" in the Church. Only synthetic ones.

 

[cv5]

BTW.... there are no genuine "reverends" in the Church. Only synthetic ones.

• Nowhere in the New Testament is anyone called by the title "bishop," "elder" or "pastor." either as Bishop Timothy, or Bishop John. In fact....no minister in the New Testament is called by a title, not even Paul. Paul was called "an" or "a" apostle," but never the "Apostle Paul." No one was called "Pastor" as a title. 1 Peter 2:25 states "For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls." (1 Peter 2:25) This refers to Jesus Christ and is capitalized.
  I only use the title "pastor" to refer to myself based on Ephesians 4:11. It would be correct to use the title "bishop" or "elder". But it is not biblical for a minister to use the title "Reverend." The word is found only once in all the Bible and is not a reference to a man, but to Almighty God.
  "He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name." (Psalms 111:9)

 

[Waggles]

God the Son: God AS man

Only in the sense that God the "Son" came into the world as a human being to redeem his creation.
Before Jesus' human form he was always with the Father and one with him.
Jesus is Yahweh (LORD) of the OT from Genesis to Malachi …

 

[7seasrekeyed]

 

[Deuteronomy]

Yes it is! The Bible is full of symbolic language. For instance, Jesus said in John 10 that he is the Good Shepherd, a symbolic quote direct from him as God in Psalm 23. Now we don't go out on a hillside and look for a literal shepherd, do we. So we are not looking for three separate Gods here. That would be against everything we know of him in the 10 Commandments.

It's just the way he speaks of himself to his people. As Jesus says of himself in Matthew 13:35: "I will speak to you in parables. I will explain mysteries hidden since the creation of thee world."

This is the bottom line, then. Moses plainly tells us in Deuteronomy 6: "Hear O Israel ( and we are Spiritual Israel ). The Lord our God is one being, and he is God alone." Jesus affirmed this when he said in Mark 12:29-30: "The most important commandment is this: The Lord our God is the one and only being who is God." The teacher of religious law agreed with this when he said: Well said Teacher. You have spoken well when you say there is only one eternal being called God."

The prophet Isaiah agreed when he quoted Jesus as saying of himself in Isaiah 43:10: "But you are my witnesses, O Israel ( and again we are Spiritual Israel ), says the Lord. And you are my servant. You have been chosen to know me, and to understand that there is no God apart from me, a just God and your only Savior. Besides me there is no God formed. There never has been and there never will be."

So its just the way Jesus speaks about himself, in Trinitarian form, or as a Trinity you might say. He has done this from eternity and he always will, even when we get to heaven.

So what Jesus as God is saying to us in the Gospels is this. I am speaking to you as Jesus, but The Father and the Holy spirit are my other two names.

See, Jesus is a person just as we are. That's how we understand that we are made in his image. So in this case he is speaking to us as a personal friend would, only in symbols.

It's just a matter of if we choose to believe him or not.


God bless you, my friend. I will have more to say next time.

Rev Autrey

Hi again Rev Autrey, no church/denomination within the pale of Christendom/Christian orthodoxy believes there is more than one God. Rather, we believe the Godhead consists of one God existing eternally as three Persons (not as 3 "Gods"). Of course, I'm certain that you are already aware of this fact

This is a mystery, 1. because it's true Biblically and 2. because it cannot be explained in such a way that we can fully wrap our finite minds around it/fully understand how such a thing might be possible (not on this side of Glory anyway).

Finally, I still haven't figured out how God giving Himself three different names (as you say He has) is "symbolic" of something, so I'd still appreciate some help understanding what you mean by that.

Thanks!

~Deut

Acts 7​

55 Being full of the Holy Spirit, he [Stephen] gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God;​

56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”​

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[p_rehbein]

All of the above comments are meaningful and well thought out. But they are all taken from our traditional beliefs and simply do not line up with what Jesus plainly teaches about himself in the Bible. Translated, it seems to be the most difficult thing in the Christian world for us to simply believe that Jesus is YHWH God, the same one the prophets said would come and save his people from their sins.

For instance, Isaiah 40 plainly tells us this:

"Listen! I hear the voice of someone shouting, 'Make a highway for the Lord through the wilderness. Make a straight road through the desert for our God."

And if this is not plain enough it goes on to say: "Fill in the valleys and level the hills. Straighten out the curves and smooth off the rough spots. Then God will come in his full glory and all eyes shall see him."

It goes on to say: "Messenger of the Gospel, shout to Zion ( us ) from the mountaintops! Shout louder to Jerusalem, do not be afraid. Tell the towns of Judah ( again, us ), 'Your God is coming in all his glorious power. Yes, he will rule with awesome strength. See, he brings his reward ( salvation and heaven ) with him as he comes. Yes, he will fed his flock like a shepherd. He will carry his lambs in his arms, holding them close to his heart.'"

Without a doubt, this is speaking of God as Jesus in his earthly ministry!

to So yes, I know that this is hard to believe because it is not what we have been taught all these many years. But now it is! So all I ask you to do is check out what I am telling you for yourself in the Bible, and you will see for yourself.

It may be hard for you to believe, but, seriously, DO NOT pretend to be the Author of Truth on the Interpretation of Scripture........ We have so very many people who want to come here and "enlighten" the ignorant masses as to the Truth of Scripture. You are just the latest.............

To deny Jesus is God is to deny God. If your ok with that, then, that's you.......

 

[crossnote]

Only in the sense that God the "Son" came into the world as a human being to redeem his creation.

I hate to get too technical, but I believe it is more accurate to say, 'Go;d the "Son" came into the world as God the Son, and became man to redeem His creation. I just don't want to skip the Virgin Birth part.

 

[Leastamongmany]

I hate to get too technical, but I believe it is more accurate to say, 'God the "Son" came into the world as God the Son, and became man to redeem His creation.

Right on sister! You are wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove...in actions!🙏Blessings!

 

[crossnote]

Right on sister! You are wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove...in actions!🙏Blessings!

thanks for the kind words but i hope you won't take them back if I told you my gender would make me your brother in the Lord. LOL

 

[Leastamongmany]

thanks for the kind words but i hope you won't take them back if I told you my gender would make me your brother in the Lord. LOL

Lol I am so veey very sorry! Plz forgive me. I dont look at the profiles. Never can have ENOUGH brothers. They will stand up for us sisters!😁

 

[crossnote]

Lol I am so veey very sorry! Plz forgive me. I dont look at the profiles. Never can have ENOUGH brothers. They will stand up for us sisters!😁

No problem. It use to be the women nicks would be in pink and males in blue, but now gender 'equality' has triumphed on this Forum also. LOL

 

[Leastamongmany]

No problem. It use to be the women nicks would be in pink and males in blue, but now gender 'equality' has triumphed on this Forum also. LOL

Lol I must be more careful in future, My Brother!😉😊

 

[kaylagrl]

modalistic monarchianism aka sabellianism. A very old heresy. Now known as oneness Pentecostalism.

I never enter the confines of any so-called pentecostal church. I immediately start preaching and get run out on a rail.

Vast majority of Pentecostal churches are not Oneness.

 

[cv5]

Vast majority of Pentecostal churches are not Oneness.

True enough. But when the banner above the door says "Pentecostal" you know trouble lies within.

 

[kaylagrl]

Lol I must be more careful in future, My Brother!😉😊

Don't worry. CC changed this, and they shouldn't have, that you use to see pink or blue and be able to tell who you were talking to. I have no idea why they changed it.

 

[kaylagrl]

True enough. But when the banner above the door says "Pentecostal" you know trouble lies within.

Because??

 

[crossnote]

True enough. But when the banner above the door says "Pentecostal" you know trouble lies within.

I get the same notion when the banner above the door says 'Holiness', ...then you can rest assure legalists resides within.

 

[cv5]

Because??

Because either there are no "Pentecostal" Churches or they all are.
Its just another unscriptural bizarre schism that needs to not be there at all.

 

[cv5]

I get the same notion when the banner above the door says 'Holiness', ...then you can rest assure legalists resides within.

Pretty much. I walked into some kind of "Apostolic" Church years ago. They were calling each other Apostle this and Apostle that and a lot of other self appointed honorific titles.
Pretty crazy man. And really frightening. And it was obvious they were frauds BTW.

I beat a hasty retreat.