The work of (keyword: of) God is this: to believe in the one he has sent. (John 6:29)
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That is Not Catholic DOGMA, it is just a Expression, and a great deal of discernment.
He fits the example of PAUL, that I have posted below.
WHILE you would just Leave them alone, here is how wrong you are:
John 10:12 (NCV)
12 The worker who is paid to keep the sheep is different from the shepherd who owns them. When the worker sees a wolf coming, he runs away and leaves the sheep alone. Then the wolf attacks the sheep and scatters them.
Paul would have us confront them, something I suspect your Liberalist's ideas would never permit.
Acts 20:28-31 (HCSB)
28 Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock that the Holy Spirit has appointed you to as overseers, to shepherd the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood.
29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 And men will rise up from your own number with deviant doctrines to lure the disciples into following them.
31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I did not stop warning each one of you with tears.
IN FACT PAUL RECOMMENDS WE GO A STEP FURTHER:
1 Timothy 1:18-20 (NIV)
18 Timothy, my son, I give you this instruction in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by following them you may fight the good fight,
19 holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith.
20 Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.
Here is the teaching of JESUS on the savageness of Wolve's in sheep's clothing:
Matthew 7:14-20 (NKJV)
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Paul confronted wolves in sheep's clothing from the earliest days in his Ministry and throughout his Ministry.
Acts 13:5-11 (NRSV)
5 When they arrived at Salamis, they proclaimed the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews. And they had John also to assist them.
6 When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they met a certain magician, a Jewish false prophet, named Bar-Jesus.
7 He was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, an intelligent man, who summoned Barnabas and Saul and wanted to hear the word of God.
8 But the magician Elymas (for that is the translation of his name) opposed them and tried to turn the proconsul away from the faith.
9 But Saul, also known as Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him
10 and said, "You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?
11 And now listen—the hand of the Lord is against you, and you will be blind for a while, unable to see the sun." Immediately mist and darkness came over him, and he went about groping for someone to lead him by the hand.
Maybe your objection could be that is something that GOD did not intend a woman to do. Not sure on that, but it could be.
However I AM EXTREMELY CONFIDENT THAT HE INTENDS ME TO BE A RAM THAT WILL PROTECT THE LAMBS FROM WOLVES.
Mr. VCO, you have been one of the best evidence of God and one of the best evidence of my assurance that I can possibly come across, you are also a testimony that God is still perform miracles in this day and age, thank you
though I'm still not knowledgeable enough yet
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though I'm still not knowledgeable enough yet
undergrace PM
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Haha you are so funny.
No need for PMs....the Italian Riviera awaits me and not soon enough!!
you are both Italian and Canadian? interestingHaha you are so funny.
No need for PMs....the Italian Riviera awaits me and not soon enough!!
I think 1 + 1 + 1 = 3
Point being.....what he said, who he targeted and his references to a few of us without directly engaging us, plus a refusal to acknowledge what he actually stated......seems to set off red flags and sirens left and right.......just saying......and obvious MOTIVE cannot be fully known or judged possibly, but in some cases it does seem obvious.......just sayin
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Sounds a bit conspiratorial, but maybe so
, I did disagree with him on God being hate and love on another thread.... he does have an email listed so maybe more than meets the eye.
I agree you should always agree that there is more to learn.
However, IF YOU STEP OUT IN FAITH, HE WILL HOLD YOU UP.
HE WILL GIVE YOU WHAT YOU LACK.
WHO KNOWS EVERY WORD THAT HE INSPIRED THE PROPHETS AND APOSTLES TO WRITE ?
The most powerful words that I KNOW, is: "I CAN NOT DO IT." The only words then is: "JESUS, IF YOU WANT ME TO DO IT, YOU WILL HAVE TO DO IT THROUGH ME." That is Total Trust. Yes, you always continue to study, but NEVER DOUBT HIS ABILITY TO GIVE TO YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO ACCOMPLISH HIS WILL. How do you know what is HIS WILL FOR YOUR LIFE. You know when your human spirit is totally under the control of the HOLY SPIRIT, in than Moment, ask HIM WHAT IS HIS WILL FOR YOUR LIFE. The Deepest desire in your heart, usually is HIS WILL.
I moved to California without knowing what HE wanted me to do there. It took two years for me to fully grasp HIS will, but when I finally got it, I could not shake that FEELING that HE WANTED ME TO GO TO THE COAST and Start a Prison Ministry, in the "end of the line" NEW PRISON. He opened all the doors, I just kept walking through, Trusting JESUS ALL THE WAY.
Haha you are so funny.
No need for PMs....the Italian Riviera awaits me and not soon enough!!
In that statement I have lost all respect for you. Please ask him to Forgive you.
It surely is a product of Liberalist teaching.
2 Peter 3:3 (HCSB)
3 First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
I thought most of Not by Works
is dcon vs cantonist or work-savlationist, or sinless perfectionist
with people like VCO and undergrace supporting dcon
why must you two fight, it's uncalled for, and it's saddening, both VCO and undergrace are my friends
never in the history of my life do i ever come here to expect to see that VCO and undergrace fighting against each other
satan is tearing people down, this is sad
is dcon vs cantonist or work-savlationist, or sinless perfectionist
with people like VCO and undergrace supporting dcon
why must you two fight, it's uncalled for, and it's saddening, both VCO and undergrace are my friends
never in the history of my life do i ever come here to expect to see that VCO and undergrace fighting against each other
satan is tearing people down, this is sad
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I am not fighting with anyone...I have no idea what you are talking about.......you told VCO to PM me and I said there was no need I leaving for vacation soon and will be busy after his evening
I do not take what people say so personally ...I am not mad at VCO... we disagree not the first time He thinks SimpleGardner was something I am not so sure.
Seriously Mr Winner what are you up to here?
Mr. VCO I am not as serious as you, sorry if you are offended it was not meant that way.
I apologize that I took it the wrong way. Totally my fault.
Now I am seeing what you were talking about, and I totally misunderstood, sorry again. No I am not going to apologize for the liberalist comment, not that I mind you being one, but I think it is a very dangerous theology. It is close to Cain's theology in my opinion. Yes, I am a hard-core conservative.
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"Liberalist" LOL....come to the "gay wedding" thread and see how liberal I am....too funny!!
Its all good Mr. VCO
The Lord is our shield, His sheep listen to Him and follow Him, not others.
Some claim so strongly they follow Jesus and defend Him. Jesus never needs defending, because His message
is how we should live, and if that example is not shown, then it is all pointless.
Jesus said :
27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
John 10
Now some say they have great faith in Jesus, and rely only on His Spirit and His working.
The Lord does not need defenders from wolves, but follows of His way.
The Lords sheep know Him and follow Him and are safe. If sounds like unbelief to believe otherwise.
We go to church to share our hearts, not in church we find our hearts. And certainly cc is not the place
where things are decided, rather "rams" are seen head butting to show prowess and serving a mission
of exposing the wolves, who need to be found first. The danger is by behaving like a wolf and tearing
each other down, one might actually be a wolf.
God bless enthusiasm, but let us focus on encouragement and good works, as we are encouraged to do.
16 May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace
gave us eternal encouragement and good hope,
17 encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word
2 Thess 2
No some of it is BAD, in my opinion.
I define Liberalism as a Self-styled Worship, bending towards Popular Opinions of the World.
It is characterized by these worldy values:
ENTERTAIN ME! DON'T PREACH AT ME. The music portion of the worship service has evolved to become the dominant part of worship.
(Our Pastor limits it to 6 songs.)
THEY ORDAIN WOMEN, probably because it is Politically Correct, NOT BIBLICALLY CORRECT, 1 Tim 2:11-12.
THEY FROWN ON TEACHING THE WRATH OF GOD, CHURCH DISCIPLINE, AND a BALANCED GOSPEL MESSAGE.
CHOOSING INSTEAD TO TEACH A LOVE ONLY GOSPEL, which is a False Gospel, when they choose to NOT declare the WHOLE council of GOD.
Acts 20:26-27 (NKJV)
26 Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men.
27 For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God.
Newer Translations have that last line: "the whole plan of God."
Some have gone so far as to publish a GENDER NEUTRAL BIBLE, which is a FALSE TRANSLATION that is no better than:
the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION, that the Jehovah Witnesses put out.
Romans 12:2 (NIV)
2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
In Church today one of the VERSES Pastor Gil mentioned, which spelled out what is wrong with Self-Styled Liberalism in the CHURCH:
Ecclesiastes 7:5 (NASB)
5 It is better to listen to the rebuke of a wise man,
Than for one to listen to the song of fools.
Jesus told Peter Three times to "FEED MY SHEEP."
He did not tell him to Sing my Songs three times.
I take that to mean TEACHING THE WORD OF GOD, should dominate the Worship.
Our Pastor teaches and explains the WORD OF GOD for 1 hour every Sunday.
Listen to How the so-called worship service became an ENTERTAIN ME EVENT!
Instead of a "FEED ME THE WORD OF GOD", a genuine worship service.
I have walked away from liberal churches in LESS than one "service". In fact less than one hour. Really the heretical spirit couldn't be more obvious. And its frightening to observe to be honest. Gives me the willies.