Was Adam and Eve a newer creation than genesis 1?

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Jackson123 said:
If so where first Adam, why use same name?
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The Hebrew for man is adamah. The translators shortened it to Adam and ever since people have fallen into the trap of thinking it was a name. When man first walked the earth, language had not been invented and they spoke in grunts, squeeks and whistles and by finger pointing. The first names would ha been something like Og and Ug.
 
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Magenta said:
It seems you are without knowledge regarding the meaning of the word "largely." :oops::censored:
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Guttenburgh (spelling) and the printing press go back to about 1400's AD. long after the Dead Sea scrolls and man's early attempts at making marks on stone. Cave drawings came long before writing.
 
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The above post was intended for the person Magenta was responding to. Sorry Magenta I think maybe you are well versed in such things. :)
 
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PS said:
There is a big gap of billions of years between the creation of the earth and the life of Adam and Eve who were living in the Bronze Age and who mark the beginning of Jewish history. They were not the first people ever, not by a long chalk. They just happened to be living at a time when people/nations were learning to write.

Remember the Old Testament is about the Jews only. It is not a history of the world.
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I used to buy into this theory, I no longer do.

I no longer do.

If this is truth, we have the penalty of sin (death) occurring LONG before the actual fall.. And God did not make creation perfect. He made it severely lacking. And only decided to make it good when he decided to add man to the mix

The world was created for man.
 
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@calibob I find it admiral that you "hear" something that is causing you in "pressing on", that has stopped many a man/woman, dead in their tracks.

Not that "the seed" which fell on good ground in these "many", and is producing fruit, are not saved.

Yet? This has not caused you from ceasing in your "tilling the ground", in rendering it good! Which many conflate as "works for salvation!" Which is all they can see through "the thorns."

Mark 4
18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word (traditions of man), and it becometh unfruitful.
24 And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
25 For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath.

As you have prolly noticed in here. Not everyone "has", or is even "equipped", in, or, even wants to, or feels a need in their "pressing on", to "higher" Spiritual gifts, in their "diligent seeking's."

(y)(y) to ya man!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
As with alot of the OT, WHat you have is to versions of the same account

VS 1 and 2 is Moses telling us God created the heavens and the earth. And shows us the earth in its origional state.

The rest show us a deeper detail of crreation. And how the earth went from its origional state until its completed state, including the creation of life.
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God can create and recreate as he sees fit, as often as he choses. He's going to create a new earth and a new heaven again isn't he?
 
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τρίτη <- literally refers to days of the week and what is used in genesis to say "day"


I believe God made everything in six literal days and rested at the seventh literal day.

I believe adam was literally made from dust of the earth, and eve was literally created from adam.

(I also believe the only relation man has with primates is the same creator... but not one common ancestor)


Sorry if I misunderstand you or anything I've said seems to impute a belief to you that you do not hold.

calibob said:
Adam was a newer, more special creation than before. Created for the purpose of tending to Gods garden with new rules. Adam & Eve and their descendants may have replaced the earlier primates that were later destroyed by the flood.
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OneOfHis said:
τρίτη <- literally refers to days of the week and what is used in genesis to say "day"


I believe adam was literally made from dust of the earth, and eve was literally created from adam.

(I also believe the only relation man has with primates is the same creator... but not one common ancestor)


Sorry if I misunderstand you or anything I've said seems to impute a belief to you that you do not hold.
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AMEN to that! Adam and Eve were Gods gardeners and not hunter gatherers. They were set apart, for his garden. On the seventh day God rested. Could he not have created them on the eighth day? Is there anything new about being set apart?

Befor the printing press the RCC had control of most teachings to mostly people who couldn't read and we know they thrive on tradition more than education. If they don't understand something up that makes sence to them, and teach it as the truth. Tradition and superstition have very long lives. Catholics aren't bad on a whole but the Vatican has been lying to us for 1700 years. Pray to Mary? Why?
 
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PS said:
There is a big gap of billions of years between the creation of the earth and the life of Adam and Eve who were living in the Bronze Age and who mark the beginning of Jewish history. They were not the first people ever, not by a long chalk. They just happened to be living at a time when people/nations were learning to write.

Remember the Old Testament is about the Jews only. It is not a history of the world.
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Jews is the descendent of Jacob. Adam, Noah, etc is not jews
 
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Isa 24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.


When?
 
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calibob said:
AMEN to that! Adam and Eve were Gods gardeners and not hunter gatherers. They were set apart, for his garden. On the seventh day God rested. Could he not have created them on the eighth day? Is there anything new about being set apart?

Before the printing press the RCC had control of most teachings to mostly people who couldn't read and we know they thrive on tradition more than education. If they don't understand something, they make something up that makes sence to them, and teach it as the truth. Tradition and superstition have very long lives. Catholics aren't bad on a whole but the Vatican has been lying to us for 1700 years. Pray to Mary? Why?
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Sorry, I got distracted, corrections in blue.
 
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Psa 147:17 He casteth forth his ice like morsels: who can stand before his cold?

Psa 147:18 He sendeth out his word, and melteth them: he causeth his wind to blow, and the waters flow.

When?
 
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PS said:
The Hebrew for man is adamah. The translators shortened it to Adam and ever since people have fallen into the trap of thinking it was a name. When man first walked the earth, language had not been invented and they spoke in grunts, squeeks and whistles and by finger pointing. The first names would ha been something like Og and Ug.
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If Adam not first man, where the descendent of first man, who are we, are we the descendent of first man?

How many time God create a man, did after Adam God create other man?

About language

Genesis record dialogue between God and human, Adam and Eve, human and serpent, seem to me they have a langaugage to communicate
 
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Evolutionists have never found the link between mankind the primates and modern man. and they WON'T!

Our species appeared suddenly with and advanced brains capable of executive thinking, because God, the father, created us that way. His spirit which is the part within us where he dwells and our own souls that needs to be saved. No other creature is the same. That's how we were created in his image. Not the physical image which few, if any, have seen and lived. Because his countenance is too brilliant for men to bear.
 
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calibob said:
Man? Man is the species created by God but Adam was the first modern man with a pre-frontal cortex which makes us a unique newer creation.
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Where is the descendent of the man before Adam ? How many man God create before and after Adam?
 
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calibob said:
Evolutionists have never found the link between mankind the primates and modern man. and they WON'T!

Our species appeared suddenly with and advanced brains capable of executive thinking, because God, the father, created us that way. His spirit which is the part within us where he dwells and our own souls that needs to be saved. No other creature is the same. That's how we were created in his image. Not the physical image which few, if any, have seen and lived. Because his countenance is too brilliant for men to bear.
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So God Spirit is not with man before Adam?

That make me believe it was not a man, it was animal that God create before Adam
 
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Jackson123 said:
If Adam not first man, where the descendent of first man, who are we, are we the descendent of first man? No! we are not the descendants of the mankind that perished in the flood. We are the direct descendants of Adam and Eve through Noah.

About language

Genesis record dialogue between God and human, Adam and Eve, human and serpent, seem to me they have a langaugage to communicate
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calibob said:
AMEN to that! Adam and Eve were Gods gardeners and not hunter gatherers. They were set apart, for his garden. On the seventh day God rested. Could he not have created them on the eighth day? Is there anything new about being set apart?

Befor the printing press the RCC had control of most teachings to mostly people who couldn't read and we know they thrive on tradition more than education. If they don't understand something up that makes sence to them, and teach it as the truth. Tradition and superstition have very long lives. Catholics aren't bad on a whole but the Vatican has been lying to us for 1700 years. Pray to Mary? Why?
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I believe money was the cause for a lot of their false doctrines (like sin insurance or purgatory) but I am in nooooo way an expert on catholic doctrine.😅

When it comes to praying to others beside God, I couldn't imagine why anyone other than satan would come up with that idea.


Could He have created them on the eighth day? No, I personally do not believe they were created multiple times... they would have been created already.


Can you define what you personally mean by set apart?



calibob said:
But mankind was spoken into existence.
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Of course, and formed from the dust of the earth.

God spoke light into existence too, though I wouldn't pretend to know what He used for that...(lol I think we call it photons today but I am not smart enough to get into what those are made of)
 
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