Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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cc4 said:
3. I dident say anything about Circumcision. But i agree with you that the circumcision aint part of the ten commandments. The circumcision is the circumcision of the heart not the forskin.
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is Genesis 17 legitimate scripture or not?

nevertheless Galatians 5 is too. not because Abraham totally misunderstood God when He gave him explicit instruction, but because Christ has now appeared. and it is for this same reason, that we do not have life by a ministration of commandments engraved in stone, but by this very same Christ.
 
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In answer to OPs q

MAtthew 23:1-3

Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples
Saying, the scribes and PHarisees sit in Moses seat: All whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do ye not after their works; for they say and do not.

I dont know if anyones already posted this, sorry if you have but am late to this thread and dont have time to read through 26 pages.
 
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Also book of acts chapter 10 where jesus tells Peter in a vision he can kill and eat..am sure its Jesus voice hes hearing because Peter responds with 'not so Lord' then read in verse 28

And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation, but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
 
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cc4 said:
2. What distinctly counterfactual (scientifically incorrect) statements are you thinking about?
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Well for one hyenas do not change sex. They are not hermaphrodite but distinctly male or female and stay that way their whole lives.

Whoever wrote the barnabas letter seems to have gotten their biology from Aesop, not from the Holy Spirit.
 
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cc4 said:
1. It was Biblical for more that 200 years, then it was remowed by men. Do you belive the book of Enoch? Enoch is quoted alot of times in the bible? And the apocrypha books are those also without inspiration?

2. What distinctly counterfactual (scientifically incorrect) statements are you thinking about?

3. I dident say anything about Circumcision. But i agree with you that the circumcision aint part of the ten commandments. The circumcision is the circumcision of the heart not the forskin.
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1. Either a book is inspired (theopneustos) or it is not. There is no middle ground. The early church leaders determined that Enoch was not inspired. Paul quoted a Cretan poet, but that doesn't mean the poet was inspired.

2. Posthuman already noted one issue; another is that cuttlefish are not bottom dwellers.

3. You didn't need to say anything about circumcision. You stated that "Law" only refers to the ten commandments; I disproved that. The circumcision law that Paul was discussing was physical circumcision; that is made clear in Galatians 5.
 
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he-rat_of_the_circus-mice said:
I agree on most of your post, but not this. Adultery is unfaithfulness. King David wasn't unfaithful to his wives. Sure, he had many, but he looked after them, and they married him knowing he was already married to others.
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I totally agree with you.
And God said be fruitful and multiply, And your seed will be like dust of the earth, And I never heard God say one thing to David or Solomon about the "amount" just the Idolatry that came along with the worship of "their gods" and other sins too, but Not Adultery. How many wives did Abraham, Isaac, Jacob have? Did God ever say anything to them? God really cares about IDOLATRY. Anything or anyone that comes before HIM.
 
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DeighAnn said:
Did God ever say anything to them? God really cares about IDOLATRY. Anything or anyone that comes before HIM.
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Well when you carefully think about it, polygamy is indeed a form of idolatry.

The creation account stipulates one wife for one husband, who are to become "one flesh".
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Well when you carefully think about it, polygamy is indeed a form of idolatry.

The creation account stipulates one wife for one husband, who are to become "one flesh".
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Yes, but that "one flesh" is their "fruit" their "child" right? Or no?
 
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Did God create more than one wife for Adam?
 
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DeighAnn said:
Yes, but that "one flesh" is their "fruit" their "child" right? Or no?
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No. "One flesh" means a total and perfect union, and since humans were created in the image of God, in includes total harmony between husband and wife (including their conjugal relations) particularly in the spirit.

Marriage (Christian marriage) represents (as a type) the perfect union of Christ and the Church (His Bride who will become the Lamb's Wife). Therefore polygamy is idolatry.
 
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DeighAnn said:
Yes, but that "one flesh" is their "fruit" their "child" right? Or no?
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How might a childless marriage be a marriage in the sight of God? Many biblical and modern marriages lack children for different reasons. Think of a marriage between two people in a triangular relationship. The base of the equilateral triangle is the union of man and woman. The apex of the triangle is God's part in a triune relationship, equally to the man and woman spiritually, but not a direct part of the fleshly relationship. Before the marriage there ought to have already existed the upwards spiritual relationship of the man, and the woman, with God.

A child occupies the area inside that triangle. nurtured to benefit by his or her own upward relationship with God, and with parents. From there the child may develop in a healthy relationship with other people.
 
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DeighAnn said:
I totally agree with you.
And God said be fruitful and multiply, And your seed will be like dust of the earth, And I never heard God say one thing to David or Solomon about the "amount" just the Idolatry that came along with the worship of "their gods" and other sins too, but Not Adultery. How many wives did Abraham, Isaac, Jacob have? Did God ever say anything to them? God really cares about IDOLATRY. Anything or anyone that comes before HIM.
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Agreed, the emphasis of God ison being equally yoked, without coveting another man's wife.
 
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Lanolin said:
In answer to OPs q

MAtthew 23:1-3

Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples
Saying, the scribes and PHarisees sit in Moses seat: All whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do ye not after their works; for they say and do not.

I dont know if anyones already posted this, sorry if you have but am late to this thread and dont have time to read through 26 pages.
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That was the law of the land, like in the USA it's illegal not to pay taxes due regardless of one's religious view. It was a very foolish thing then to ignore the law of Moses in Israel then, as it is nowadays. Doing so thn could result in death by stoning. Jesus was very careful not to teach anyone to violate established law, yet introduced a much higher law of liberty by grace through faith taught to His disciples, without viloating the Mosaic law.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
No. "One flesh" means a total and perfect union, and since humans were created in the image of God, in includes total harmony between husband and wife (including their conjugal relations) particularly in the spirit.

Marriage (Christian marriage) represents (as a type) the perfect union of Christ and the Church (His Bride who will become the Lamb's Wife). Therefore polygamy is idolatry.
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Isn't that Bride made up of many? As long as we obey the laws of the land, it just seems to me God doesn't care that much or else Solomon wouldn't have had so many. I mean, he wanted wisdom from God, and if God were that much against it, it would have come up somewhere, yet, I could be wrong, and after a bit of study, I hate to say it but I am a little "reedy" on this.
 
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Marcelo said:
I'm not a law-keeper, but I still haven't found a single piece of evidence -- in the Gospels -- that Jesus ever told us to stop keeping the Law. Should we rely solely on what Paul said?
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Jesus did say that he came to fulfill the law and the prophets. Did he succeed? I believe yes! And with his spirit in us do we also fulfill the law? Yes!
Do we do it by doing things like marrying our dead brother's wife? No, there must be some other way.
 
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Isn't that Bride made up of many? As long as we obey the laws of the land, it just seems to me God doesn't care that much or else Solomon wouldn't have had so many. I mean, he wanted wisdom from God, and if God were that much against it, it would have come up somewhere, yet, I could be wrong, and after a bit of study, I hate to say it but I am a little "reedy" on this.
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Soloman was kept from the one he truely loved. Because of his grave sins.
 
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DeighAnn said:
Isn't that Bride made up of many? As long as we obey the laws of the land, it just seems to me God doesn't care that much or else Solomon wouldn't have had so many. I mean, he wanted wisdom from God, and if God were that much against it, it would have come up somewhere, yet, I could be wrong, and after a bit of study, I hate to say it but I am a little "reedy" on this.
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Solomon did not end well, and his many women were the reason. God never gave his blessing on polygamy.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Soloman was kept from the one he truely loved. Because of his grave sins.
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But it didn't seem to be the number of wives, per se, it was about what they BRought as far as IDOLATRY that made/makes Him mad. When I am reading about God it seems to me He does not like it when we provoke HIM to jealousy. I also think it is us, not Him, that has this problem with "sex" when God doesn't have an issue with it at all unless it is "unnatural" in anyway. Adam and Eve were naked and not ashamed, till they sinned. God was totally cool with it too. I think it was over 2000 years before He even mentioned the one husband wife thing. I would have to go look it all up but sometimes I like to just speculate too.
 
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But it didn't seem to be the number of wives, per se, it was about what they BRought as far as IDOLATRY that made/makes Him mad. When I am reading about God it seems to me He does not like it when we provoke HIM to jealousy. I also think it is us, not Him, that has this problem with "sex" when God doesn't have an issue with it at all unless it is "unnatural" in anyway. Adam and Eve were naked and not ashamed, till they sinned. God was totally cool with it too. I think it was over 2000 years before He even mentioned the one husband wife thing. I would have to go look it all up but sometimes I like to just speculate too.
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God said a man and woman leave and are made 1.

He also said marraige is a picture of our relationship with him

Thats why he holds the marriage so serious

Soloman was a an adulterer many times over.

God may overlook it, But he would NEVER accept it.
 
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