Gay pride in church

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RickyZ

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Sorry, close the camp. Find other ways to reach the lost. Acknowledging gay pride month is acceptance.
Closing the camp seems like admitting defeat. There's got to be a way to present the Biblical position without offending someone and getting sued. But in this age of the chronically offended, that's a tough one to pin down.
 

RickyZ

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There is a difference between loving the sinner and actively supporting the sin.
It seems to me they are doing the latter.
True ... seems like instead of acknowledging it, they should use it to present the Biblical view. Like I said, I never in a thousand years thought they would condone it!
 

RickyZ

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What do you mean they acknowledged pride day. Did they have a parade and make everyone dress up or carry banners or something . Yea you need to talk to the leaders of the camp on that one. If the leaders are gay and practising sin themselves then youve lost that one.
I wasn't there, but according to the photos on fakebook they hung the rainbow and discusssed 'alternative lifestyles"
 

RickyZ

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Well I went to their facebook page to get the picture and now I can't find it. Perhaps one of their donors already had a talk with them and they took it down.
 

Bingo

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Is that an Envy Touch phone I see? Man I miss that phone!
"A 'Bingo' specialty Verizon 'lap tap msg. text ' cel -e -brate' the Lord phone.".......... Funny.png
'Praise God'
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well, we're ALL IN THE WORLD', but the scripture never tells us to 'join-in-the-world and its-ways'!

we have several members of our families that are 'gayly-involved'!
although we LOVE them and will even help them, but, we cannot 'join their club',
for a corrupt witness is a useless witness, and we are certainly aware of what the scriptures say concerning this...

MATT. 10:36-37-38.
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
He that loveth father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me: and he that loveth son or daughter
more than Me is not worthy of Me.
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after Me, is not worthy of Me.

'confrontation-show-downs-standing-up-for-righteousness' sake' = not popular postures, to say the least,
but, 'we are 'commanded' not to bow-down to the 'golden image' or to be 'conformed to this world',
in any 'way-shape-form'...
 
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Shrove Tuesday - Lutherans are big on this ...
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good point Waggles, 'shrove-tuesday' is part of the 'mardi-gras-celebration', - I had attended this 'pagan-festival'
in my youth - I even realized way back then, that it was a mirror-image' of sodom and gomorrah'...
 

calibob

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well, we're ALL IN THE WORLD', but the scripture never tells us to 'join-in-the-world and its-ways'!

we have several members of our families that are 'gayly-involved'!
although we LOVE them and will even help them, but, we cannot 'join their club',
for a corrupt witness is a useless witness, and we are certainly aware of what the scriptures say concerning this...

MATT. 10:36-37-38.
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
He that loveth father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me: and he that loveth son or daughter
more than Me is not worthy of Me.
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after Me, is not worthy of Me.

'confrontation-show-downs-standing-up-for-righteousness' sake' = not popular postures, to say the least,
but, 'we are 'commanded' not to bow-down to the 'golden image' or to be 'conformed to this world',
in any 'way-shape-form'...
I would think late September would be better though to keep it from getting confused with Festival or Mardi Gras. In late September the awful days of Summer are over in the northern hemisphere and winter is over in the southern like Australia.
 

calibob

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#34
We should petition RoboOp for a new icon - 'shocked' - 'horrified' - 'disgusted'
Do you people at the revival fellowship baptize in public? So it can be witnessed by non believers?

I was baptized in a lagoon.
 

calibob

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#35
50 days after Passover in late spring>
New Living Translation
“Second, celebrate the Festival of Harvest, when you bring me the first crops of your harvest. “Finally, celebrate the Festival of the Final Harvest at the end of the harvest season, when you have harvested all the crops from your fields."
 

calibob

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#37
50 days after Passover in late spring>
New Living Translation
Finally, celebrate the Festival of the Final Harvest at the end of the harvest season, when you have harvested all the crops from your fields."
Feast of the tabernacles or festival of booths in late September or early October.
 

Oncefallen

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In the area we hopefully one day will move to, it is predominantly traditional Lutheran and Baptist. There is a well known Lutheran Bible Camp at the lake, where I volunteer on occasion when I'm out there. Well, they recently acknowledged lgbqt - whatever it is pride day. I'm shocked, and need to discuss it with the woman I volunteer with; but I'm thinking I can't work there any more. Welcome the sinner but shun the errant brother - right? I can see where they are in a catch-22 - turn away gays et all, get sued and lose the camp, and with it the incredible witness they've built over the decades. But wow, I never expected that. The times, they are a-later than we think.

What do you do? Accept the alphabet soup, or close the camp?
This is where the "Separation of Church and State" comes into play. If the camp is wholly owned by the Lutheran Church (not a privately owned camp) they are under no obligation to acknowledge or accept homosexuality. They have every right to prohibit the attendance of openly gay persons and to require their staff to sign contracts including clauses supporting a biblical stance on sexuality.

Even the Boy Scouts of America won numerous lawsuits over the years pertaining to gay leadership and members before the organisation folded to liberal pressure.

Unfortunately in recent years there have been several denominations (including the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America) that have changed their policies to be more "inclusive". Specifically, the ELCA changed their policies in 2009 to allow for openly gay clergy and the "consecration" of homosexual marriage.
 

Oncefallen

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#39
This is where the "Separation of Church and State" comes into play. If the camp is wholly owned by the Lutheran Church (not a privately owned camp) they are under no obligation to acknowledge or accept homosexuality. They have every right to prohibit the attendance of openly gay persons and to require their staff to sign contracts including clauses supporting a biblical stance on sexuality.

Even the Boy Scouts of America won numerous lawsuits over the years pertaining to gay leadership and members before the organisation folded to liberal pressure.

Unfortunately in recent years there have been several denominations (including the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America) that have changed their policies to be more "inclusive". Specifically, the ELCA changed their policies in 2009 to allow for openly gay clergy and the "consecration" of homosexual marriage. In 2013 the ELCA installed their first openly (and actively) gay Bishop
 

RickyZ

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Even the Boy Scouts of America won numerous lawsuits over the years pertaining to gay leadership and members before the organisation folded to liberal pressure.
And that's it right there. You may win a few but in the end they're going to wear you down. That's why God said this is a war of attrition, perseverance is the key.

Again, I think it falls under welcome the sinner but do not participate, and shun the errant believer. I don't mind them coming to camp and seeing an example of God's love in action. But what's missing these days is the understanding that if you don't like it your option is to not come.