Jesus is Jehovah? So Jehovah is Son in trinity?
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Was Isaiah a prophet for the Jewish nation of Israel?
Did Isaiah, the Jewish prophet for the nation of the Jewish nation of Israel claim that God was Jehovah the Father?
Who would Isaiah claim the God of the Jews was the Father Jehovah?
What you're trying to do in an attempt to try and be right is quite cringy.
Did Isaiah, the Jewish prophet for the nation of the Jewish nation of Israel claim that God was Jehovah the Father?
Who would Isaiah claim the God of the Jews was the Father Jehovah?
What you're trying to do in an attempt to try and be right is quite cringy.
Although the true God was always with the Jews, they worshipped false gods instead of the true God who brought them out of Egypt. Almost immediately they were free, Aaron was making the Golden Calf and saying to the people, "These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt." (Exo 32:4)
More examples of Yahweh commanding the making of sacrifice can be seen here.
Jeremiah 7:21 Thus says Yahweh of Armies, the God of Israel: Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices, and eat meat.
Ezekiel 20:40 For in my holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, says the Lord Yahweh, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them, serve me in the land: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the first fruits of your offerings, with all your holy things.
Ezekiel 44:15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, who performed the duty of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister to me; and they shall stand before me to offer to me the fat and the blood, says the Lord Yahweh:
This was in opposition to the true God to whom sacrifice is an abomination.
In every city of Judah he made high places to burn incense to other gods, and provoked to anger Yahweh, the God of his fathers. 2 Chronicles 28:25
“What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.(Isaiah 1:11)
Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. (Isaiah 1:13)
Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. (Deu 12:31 KJV)
Despite being told not to, they still continued to make sacrifice, even sacrificing their own children as you can see in the verse above.
Jesus said to them: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!" (Luk 13:34)
Jesus is the true God of the Old Testament. They rejected Him in Old Testament days, they rejected Him in New Testament days, and they still reject him today, as we can see from your posts. Isaiah had it right when he wrote in Isa 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Regarding the title of this thread, "Jesus is Jehovah?" The answer is a resounding YES. As soon as people realise this, they need to convert from their traditions and turn to Jesus.
More examples of Yahweh commanding the making of sacrifice can be seen here.
Jeremiah 7:21 Thus says Yahweh of Armies, the God of Israel: Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices, and eat meat.
Ezekiel 20:40 For in my holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, says the Lord Yahweh, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them, serve me in the land: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the first fruits of your offerings, with all your holy things.
Ezekiel 44:15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, who performed the duty of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister to me; and they shall stand before me to offer to me the fat and the blood, says the Lord Yahweh:
This was in opposition to the true God to whom sacrifice is an abomination.
In every city of Judah he made high places to burn incense to other gods, and provoked to anger Yahweh, the God of his fathers. 2 Chronicles 28:25
“What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.(Isaiah 1:11)
Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. (Isaiah 1:13)
Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. (Deu 12:31 KJV)
Despite being told not to, they still continued to make sacrifice, even sacrificing their own children as you can see in the verse above.
Jesus said to them: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!" (Luk 13:34)
Jesus is the true God of the Old Testament. They rejected Him in Old Testament days, they rejected Him in New Testament days, and they still reject him today, as we can see from your posts. Isaiah had it right when he wrote in Isa 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Regarding the title of this thread, "Jesus is Jehovah?" The answer is a resounding YES. As soon as people realise this, they need to convert from their traditions and turn to Jesus.
I fully understand that at times the nation of Israel was led astray and forgot Jehovah, but the claim you're making is unbiblical, no person who has read the scripture with understanding and certainly no biblical scholar would ever say that the Jews God was not Jehovah.
For example, you made the claim "Isaiah spoke of the true God who is not the God of the Jews", yet you miss the fact that Isaiah was a prophet under Hezekiah, Hezekiah was a righteous man and Jewish.
(1 King 18:3-7) "..[Hezekiah] kept doing what was right in Jehovah’s eyes, just as David his forefather had done. 4 He was the one who removed the high places, smashed the sacred pillars, and cut down the sacred pole. He also crushed the copper serpent that Moses had made; for down to that time the people of Israel had been making sacrificial smoke to it and it used to be called the copper serpent-idol. 5 He trusted in Jehovah the God of Israel; there was no one like him among all the kings of Judah after him nor among those prior to him. 6 He held fast to Jehovah. He did not turn away from following him; he continued to keep the commandments that Jehovah had given to Moses. 7 And Jehovah was with him.."
Digging deeper, read Isaiah 40 and you'll see that he and Hezekiah both understood that Jehovah was the God of Judah, the God of the Jews,
(Isaiah 40:3,9) "..A voice of one calling out in the wilderness: “Clear up the way of Jehovah! Make a straight highway through the desert for our God...Go up onto a high mountain, You woman bringing good news for Zion. Raise your voice with power, You woman bringing good news for Jerusalem. Raise it, do not be afraid. Announce to the cities of Judah: “Here is your God.".."
Have some Christian humility and learn when to stop, the God of the Jews is Jehovah during that period was Jehovah, again it is noted at times that they forgot Jehovah and this was exactly why Jehovah provided the prophets so that they could steer his people back to him, this is irrefutably biblical.
For example, you made the claim "Isaiah spoke of the true God who is not the God of the Jews", yet you miss the fact that Isaiah was a prophet under Hezekiah, Hezekiah was a righteous man and Jewish.
(1 King 18:3-7) "..[Hezekiah] kept doing what was right in Jehovah’s eyes, just as David his forefather had done. 4 He was the one who removed the high places, smashed the sacred pillars, and cut down the sacred pole. He also crushed the copper serpent that Moses had made; for down to that time the people of Israel had been making sacrificial smoke to it and it used to be called the copper serpent-idol. 5 He trusted in Jehovah the God of Israel; there was no one like him among all the kings of Judah after him nor among those prior to him. 6 He held fast to Jehovah. He did not turn away from following him; he continued to keep the commandments that Jehovah had given to Moses. 7 And Jehovah was with him.."
Digging deeper, read Isaiah 40 and you'll see that he and Hezekiah both understood that Jehovah was the God of Judah, the God of the Jews,
(Isaiah 40:3,9) "..A voice of one calling out in the wilderness: “Clear up the way of Jehovah! Make a straight highway through the desert for our God...Go up onto a high mountain, You woman bringing good news for Zion. Raise your voice with power, You woman bringing good news for Jerusalem. Raise it, do not be afraid. Announce to the cities of Judah: “Here is your God.".."
Have some Christian humility and learn when to stop, the God of the Jews is Jehovah during that period was Jehovah, again it is noted at times that they forgot Jehovah and this was exactly why Jehovah provided the prophets so that they could steer his people back to him, this is irrefutably biblical.
Certainly because Jehovah is God and no doubt. Jesus is God. therefore Jesus is Jehovah.
1 john 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
1 john 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
So because the Jehovah is God and Jesus is God, therefore, Jesus must be Jehovah? To me, this is dangerous reasoning since the Bible calls many beings God.
For example:
Satan is called God - 2 Cor 4:4 "Satan, who is the God (ho theos) of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe."
Men are called Gods - John 10:34 "Jesus answered them [the Jews]: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’?.."
Moses is called God - Exo 7:1 "..And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh.."
Angels are called Gods - Psalm 82:1 “God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods he judges"
So how are we meant to differentiate if the above beings (gods) should too be called Jehovah if your only reasoning for Jesus being Jehovah is that he is a God? You provided no actual evidence why Jesus should be called Jehovah.
For example:
Satan is called God - 2 Cor 4:4 "Satan, who is the God (ho theos) of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe."
Men are called Gods - John 10:34 "Jesus answered them [the Jews]: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’?.."
Moses is called God - Exo 7:1 "..And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh.."
Angels are called Gods - Psalm 82:1 “God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods he judges"
So how are we meant to differentiate if the above beings (gods) should too be called Jehovah if your only reasoning for Jesus being Jehovah is that he is a God? You provided no actual evidence why Jesus should be called Jehovah.
Do you believe the bible and what it says? I think think your reasoning is a dangerous one calling Satan God? By simply distorting Jesus is the true God because what John says not "a God" which you are trying to find ways and make me believe Jesus is not Jehovah. Other verses you put says "gods" with "s" in small "g" and actually you just edited 2 Cor. 4:4 putting capital "G" from small "g" but what I am talking is what the Scriptures says of the true God-Jesus Christ.
2 Cor. 4:4 “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
2 Cor. 4:4 “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
Ancient Greek did not utilize capital letters, it was an ancient language, to someone reading ancient Greek they would not be able to tell whether or not 2 Cor 4:4 was God or god, to them God simply meant God, this I wasn't distoring anythign but was rather correcting the text to better express the original languages. What's more, is that the phrase "ho theos" which means "the God" was used. Whenever "ho theos" is used in the NT or the LXX it is always translated with a capital G (God), the only place scholars/translators do not do this is 2 Cor 4:4 and that's because it unanimous that Satan isn't God Almighty God, thus they translate it in English with a small g (god) so that readers, such as yourself, do not get confused by the original language's lack of capitalization.
You ask, do I believe the bible and what it says, and my answer is yes, the question you need to ask is do you? Since you seem to reject the idea that Satan is a type of God/god despite 2 Cor 4:4 saying so. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, all I did is ask you for the evidence of a claim you made.
We can see from Psalm 83:18 that Jehovah is referred to as the " Most High" - "May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth." (Psalm 83:18). Further to this, Luke 1:31-32 states the following in regards to Jesus:
"..And look! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father.."
As you can see, Jehovah is the most high, Jesus is later referred to not as the Most high but rather the Son of the Most high, this shows clearly that Jesus isn't Jehovah who is the most high, if he was then he wouldn't be the son of that one.
You ask, do I believe the bible and what it says, and my answer is yes, the question you need to ask is do you? Since you seem to reject the idea that Satan is a type of God/god despite 2 Cor 4:4 saying so. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, all I did is ask you for the evidence of a claim you made.
We can see from Psalm 83:18 that Jehovah is referred to as the " Most High" - "May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth." (Psalm 83:18). Further to this, Luke 1:31-32 states the following in regards to Jesus:
"..And look! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father.."
As you can see, Jehovah is the most high, Jesus is later referred to not as the Most high but rather the Son of the Most high, this shows clearly that Jesus isn't Jehovah who is the most high, if he was then he wouldn't be the son of that one.
How can me quoting scripture be called blasphemy? What is blasphemy is you claiming scripture itself is blasphemous, ironic.
Show me a single example in either the NT or LXX where ho theos is translated with an uncapitalized G, not that this matters since the ancient writers did not use capitalization to express what we express with capitalizationin modern English.
Show me a single example in either the NT or LXX where ho theos is translated with an uncapitalized G, not that this matters since the ancient writers did not use capitalization to express what we express with capitalizationin modern English.
Do you not understand that the Jews served two G/gods both of which they called LORD or YAHWEH, regardless of whether it was the true God, or the deceiver.
Exo 32:5-7 KJV And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD. (6) And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play. (7) And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:
In my next post I shall show irrefutable evidence from scripture that Jesus is the I AM who spoke to Moses. If you fail to accept that Jesus is the LORD of the Bible within 24 hours, I shall put you on ignore.
Exo 32:5-7 KJV And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD. (6) And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play. (7) And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:
In my next post I shall show irrefutable evidence from scripture that Jesus is the I AM who spoke to Moses. If you fail to accept that Jesus is the LORD of the Bible within 24 hours, I shall put you on ignore.
The Old Testament God is Jesus. The Jews killed his prophets like Isaiah and his disciples. They are still aggressively doing it today in their preaching. The fact of the matter is that Jesus is God with us. Immanuel. He is the ONE God who was known to the Old Testament people as Yahweh, to New Testament people as Jesus and He is with us today in the person of the Holy Spirit.
Genesis 1:1 God is the Creator
John 1:3-10 Jesus is the Creator
Genesis 17:1 The Almighty is God
Rev. 1:8 Jesus is the Almighty
Exodus 3:14 The “I am” is God
John 8:58 Jesus is the “I am”
Deut. 10:17 The Lord of Lords is God
Rev. 19:16 Jesus is Lord of Lords
Ps 18:31 The Rock is God
I Cor 10:4 Jesus is the Rock
Psalms 22:16 They pierced my hands and my feet
Zechariah 12:10 They pierced me – God
John 19:34 They pierced Jesus
Ps 146:10 God shall reign forever
Luke 1:33 Jesus will reign forever
Isa 40:11 The Shepherd is God
John 10:16 Jesus is the Shepherd
Isa 41:14 The Redeemer is God
Luke 1:68 Jesus is the Redeemer
Isa 43:10 God said, “I am he”
John 8:24 Jesus said, “I am he”
Isa 43:10,11 (God is the Saviour
Luke 2:11 Jesus is the Saviour
Jer 31:32 God, the One Husband
II Cor. 11:2 Jesus-The One Husband
Zec 14:4-5 God is coming
Matt 25:31 Jesus is coming
Mal 1:6 The One Master is God
Matt 23:8 Jesus is the One Master
Isa 43:15 The Holy One is God
Acts 3:14 Jesus is the Holy One
Isa 43:15 God is King of Israel
Matt 27:37 Jesus is King of Israel
Isa 45:21 The One Saviour is God
Acts 4:12 Jesus is the One Saviour
Isa 43:10,11 God is the only Saviour
Titus 1:4 Jesus is the only Saviour
Isa 44:6 The first and last is God
Rev. 1:8, 22:13 Jesus is first and last
Isa. 44:6 The King of Israel is God
John 1:49 Jesus is King of Israel
Isa. 45:23 Every knee must bow to God
Phil 2:10-11 Every knee must bow to Jesus
Psalms 22:16 They pierced my hands and my feet
Zechariah 12:10 They pierced me – God
John 19:34 They pierced Jesus
The ALMIGHTY GOD throughout the OT is Jesus who says in Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Genesis 1:1 God is the Creator
John 1:3-10 Jesus is the Creator
Genesis 17:1 The Almighty is God
Rev. 1:8 Jesus is the Almighty
Exodus 3:14 The “I am” is God
John 8:58 Jesus is the “I am”
Deut. 10:17 The Lord of Lords is God
Rev. 19:16 Jesus is Lord of Lords
Ps 18:31 The Rock is God
I Cor 10:4 Jesus is the Rock
Psalms 22:16 They pierced my hands and my feet
Zechariah 12:10 They pierced me – God
John 19:34 They pierced Jesus
Ps 146:10 God shall reign forever
Luke 1:33 Jesus will reign forever
Isa 40:11 The Shepherd is God
John 10:16 Jesus is the Shepherd
Isa 41:14 The Redeemer is God
Luke 1:68 Jesus is the Redeemer
Isa 43:10 God said, “I am he”
John 8:24 Jesus said, “I am he”
Isa 43:10,11 (God is the Saviour
Luke 2:11 Jesus is the Saviour
Jer 31:32 God, the One Husband
II Cor. 11:2 Jesus-The One Husband
Zec 14:4-5 God is coming
Matt 25:31 Jesus is coming
Mal 1:6 The One Master is God
Matt 23:8 Jesus is the One Master
Isa 43:15 The Holy One is God
Acts 3:14 Jesus is the Holy One
Isa 43:15 God is King of Israel
Matt 27:37 Jesus is King of Israel
Isa 45:21 The One Saviour is God
Acts 4:12 Jesus is the One Saviour
Isa 43:10,11 God is the only Saviour
Titus 1:4 Jesus is the only Saviour
Isa 44:6 The first and last is God
Rev. 1:8, 22:13 Jesus is first and last
Isa. 44:6 The King of Israel is God
John 1:49 Jesus is King of Israel
Isa. 45:23 Every knee must bow to God
Phil 2:10-11 Every knee must bow to Jesus
Psalms 22:16 They pierced my hands and my feet
Zechariah 12:10 They pierced me – God
John 19:34 They pierced Jesus
The ALMIGHTY GOD throughout the OT is Jesus who says in Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Lol you can put me on ignore now for all I care.
What you fail to realize is "LORD" in capitalization in the old testament refers to the Tetragrammaton, namely YHWH. Jehovah/Yahweh is the full translation of the Hebrew pronunciation of YHWH, thus LORD when capitalized in the OT, like in the verse you used, refer to Jehovah/Yahweh. Fact check me, google "LORD capitalization in the old testament" and you'll see tens of thousands of articles stating the name of God (YHWH) has been replaced by the term LORD in capitals, "LORD" in the OT means Yahweh, this is basic.
Again for further proof look at what the prefaces of the listed bibles state about their understanding of the LORD when capitalised:
Revised English Bible preface: "..Where the divine name occurs in the Hebrew text, this has been signaled in The Revised English Bible by using capital letters for 'LORD' or 'GOD', a widely accepted practice.."
American Standard Version preface: "..The change first proposed in the Appendix --- that which substitutes "Jehovah" for "LORD" and "GOD" (printed in small capitals) --- is one which will be unwelcome by many, because of the frequency and familiarity of the terms
displaced.."
Todays English Translation preface: "..the distinctive Hebrew name for God (usually transliterated Jehovah or Yahweh), is in this translation represented by "LORD.".."
Revised Standard Version preface: The American Standard Version used the term "Jehovah"; the King James Version had employed this in four places, but everywhere else, except in three cases where it was employed as part of a proper name, used the English word LORD (or in certain cases GOD) printed in capitals.
As you can see scholars and translators themselves recognize that term for YHWH, namely Yahweh/Jehovah, has been purposely changed to the term "LORD" in capitals. Thus when you say "Do you not understand that the Jews served two G/gods both of which they called LORD or YAHWEH" you are incorrect, they did not worship two gods, one called LORD and one called Yahweh, since LORD in the OT means Yahweh!
Exo 32:5-7 reads in other translations where they do not use the title LORD in place of the Tetragrammaton as:
"When Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it. Then Aaron called out: “There is a festival to Jehovah tomorrow.” 6 So they got up early on the next day and began offering up burnt offerings and presenting communion sacrifices. After that the people sat down to eat and drink. Then they got up to have a good time. 7 Jehovah now said to Moses: “Go, descend, because your people, whom you led up out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves..."
Again, the Jewish God was YHWH/Jehovah/Yahweh/LORD alone, but again, it is noted that at times they were led astray, the YHWH/ did not stop being their God. Still today they still worship YHWH of the OT, although at present God does not recognize them as his since he rejected them upon the set up of the Christian congregation.
What you fail to realize is "LORD" in capitalization in the old testament refers to the Tetragrammaton, namely YHWH. Jehovah/Yahweh is the full translation of the Hebrew pronunciation of YHWH, thus LORD when capitalized in the OT, like in the verse you used, refer to Jehovah/Yahweh. Fact check me, google "LORD capitalization in the old testament" and you'll see tens of thousands of articles stating the name of God (YHWH) has been replaced by the term LORD in capitals, "LORD" in the OT means Yahweh, this is basic.
Again for further proof look at what the prefaces of the listed bibles state about their understanding of the LORD when capitalised:
Revised English Bible preface: "..Where the divine name occurs in the Hebrew text, this has been signaled in The Revised English Bible by using capital letters for 'LORD' or 'GOD', a widely accepted practice.."
American Standard Version preface: "..The change first proposed in the Appendix --- that which substitutes "Jehovah" for "LORD" and "GOD" (printed in small capitals) --- is one which will be unwelcome by many, because of the frequency and familiarity of the terms
displaced.."
Todays English Translation preface: "..the distinctive Hebrew name for God (usually transliterated Jehovah or Yahweh), is in this translation represented by "LORD.".."
Revised Standard Version preface: The American Standard Version used the term "Jehovah"; the King James Version had employed this in four places, but everywhere else, except in three cases where it was employed as part of a proper name, used the English word LORD (or in certain cases GOD) printed in capitals.
As you can see scholars and translators themselves recognize that term for YHWH, namely Yahweh/Jehovah, has been purposely changed to the term "LORD" in capitals. Thus when you say "Do you not understand that the Jews served two G/gods both of which they called LORD or YAHWEH" you are incorrect, they did not worship two gods, one called LORD and one called Yahweh, since LORD in the OT means Yahweh!
Exo 32:5-7 reads in other translations where they do not use the title LORD in place of the Tetragrammaton as:
"When Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it. Then Aaron called out: “There is a festival to Jehovah tomorrow.” 6 So they got up early on the next day and began offering up burnt offerings and presenting communion sacrifices. After that the people sat down to eat and drink. Then they got up to have a good time. 7 Jehovah now said to Moses: “Go, descend, because your people, whom you led up out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves..."
Again, the Jewish God was YHWH/Jehovah/Yahweh/LORD alone, but again, it is noted that at times they were led astray, the YHWH/ did not stop being their God. Still today they still worship YHWH of the OT, although at present God does not recognize them as his since he rejected them upon the set up of the Christian congregation.
If Jesus is the God of the OT then why does Hebrews 1:1,2 say that God ONLY started speaking through him when the events of the NT were taking places?
(Hebrews 1:1, 2) "..Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways. Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.."
Notice the above, you claim that Jesus was the God of the OT who spoke "on many occasions and in many ways", yet NT scripture states that "Now at the end of these days he [God] has spoken to us by means of his Son". Why would scripture say God spoke by means of Jesus ONLY in the NT time period if he was the God who spoke in the OT?
(Hebrews 1:1, 2) "..Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways. Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.."
Notice the above, you claim that Jesus was the God of the OT who spoke "on many occasions and in many ways", yet NT scripture states that "Now at the end of these days he [God] has spoken to us by means of his Son". Why would scripture say God spoke by means of Jesus ONLY in the NT time period if he was the God who spoke in the OT?
God, having spoken in former times in fragmentary and varied fashion to our forefathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by a Son whom he appointed to be the heir of everything and through whom he also made the universe. He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact likeness of his being, and he holds everything together by his powerful word. After he had provided a cleansing from sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Highest Majesty. (Heb 1:1-3 ISV)
The heretics leave out verses 2 and 3 that tell us Jesus made the universe; He is the exact likeness of the Father; He holds everything together by His powerful word, (John tells us He is the Word), He cleansed us from our sin which only God can do, and he is now at the right hand of the Father, from where He, the One God manifest in three persons, came.
You have one more chance to recant before you go in the sin bin.
The heretics leave out verses 2 and 3 that tell us Jesus made the universe; He is the exact likeness of the Father; He holds everything together by His powerful word, (John tells us He is the Word), He cleansed us from our sin which only God can do, and he is now at the right hand of the Father, from where He, the One God manifest in three persons, came.
You have one more chance to recant before you go in the sin bin.
Stop threatening and block me already, I couldn't care less friend, all it shows is that you can't handle facts and result in running away instead of tackling difficult ideas/questions.
Verses 2 and 3 have nothing to do with the point you and I were talking about, namely, whether Jesus was the Jehovah of the OT. Instead of dealing with what I said you create a strawman, where's the answer to my point/question? If Jesus was the God of the OT then why does it say of Jesus in the NT time period "Now at the end of these days he [God] has spoken to us by means of his Son"?
You again struggle to understand the scripture, Hebrews 1:1-3 doesn't say that Jesus made the universe, it states the Father made the universe NOT Jesus, re-read the verse:
(Hebrews 1:1-3) "..In the past, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he [God] made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his [Gods] being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.." (insertions mine)
As you can see it mentions God the Father and how he has spoken to man by "his son" and goes on to say that "through whom also he [God] made the universe". Hebrews 1:1-3 is undeniable proof that the Father is the creator since it was he the Father who created the world, doing so through his Son as the verse mentions.
Verses 2 and 3 have nothing to do with the point you and I were talking about, namely, whether Jesus was the Jehovah of the OT. Instead of dealing with what I said you create a strawman, where's the answer to my point/question? If Jesus was the God of the OT then why does it say of Jesus in the NT time period "Now at the end of these days he [God] has spoken to us by means of his Son"?
You again struggle to understand the scripture, Hebrews 1:1-3 doesn't say that Jesus made the universe, it states the Father made the universe NOT Jesus, re-read the verse:
(Hebrews 1:1-3) "..In the past, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he [God] made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his [Gods] being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.." (insertions mine)
As you can see it mentions God the Father and how he has spoken to man by "his son" and goes on to say that "through whom also he [God] made the universe". Hebrews 1:1-3 is undeniable proof that the Father is the creator since it was he the Father who created the world, doing so through his Son as the verse mentions.