Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

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UnderGrace said:
1. So you are stating the tongues proves the existence of God?

2. Glossa" (glwssa), which is the word used to designate the languages discussed in the letter to the Corinthians, means either the tongue (the physical organ in our mouth) or a language accessible to human understanding such as a foreign language, but not the phenomena such as glossolalia. Therefore the issue at the church of Corinth was the existence of foreign languages within a congregation and how they should be managed, a translator was required otherwise they were to keep silent, this was not the gift in Acts of the Holy Spirit.
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I want to make sure I understand what you are saying and what I also said is understood. I did not say that tongues prove this existence of God. The letter to the Corinthians where the word tongues are being used found in Chapter 12 through 14 must be seen contextually with why they are even being mentioned. The word tongues in 1cor chapter 12 where it is used first are listed as one of the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit". Context is not the organ of the mouth but something that is being done in the believer by the power of the Holy Spirit. Yes the word "tongues" is speaking about languages and yet the context does not end with Chapter 12, does it? Because we have Paul speak about what is called "UNKNOWN" tongues too in chapter 14. You say foreign languages yet the word foreign is not used but unlearned is or Unknown. the word Translator is not used either. but the interpretation is, which is not a translation.

tongues is proof of God existence? No. Are tongues one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit where HE uses the believer in? Yes. Are the gifts does to show God is working in the life of the believer? Absolutely yet tongues is not the only gift which does that.
 
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I want to make sure I understand what you are saying and what I also said is understood. I did not say that tongues prove this existence of God. The letter to the Corinthians where the word tongues are being used found in Chapter 12 through 14 must be seen contextually with why they are even being mentioned. The word tongues in 1cor chapter 12 where it is used first are listed as one of the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit". Context is not the organ of the mouth but something that is being done in the believer by the power of the Holy Spirit. Yes the word "tongues" is speaking about languages and yet the context does not end with Chapter 12, does it? Because we have Paul speak about what is called "UNKNOWN" tongues too in chapter 14. You say foreign languages yet the word foreign is not used but unlearned is or Unknown. the word Translator is not used either. but the interpretation is, which is not a translation.

tongues is proof of God existence? No. Are tongues one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit where HE uses the believer in? Yes. Are the gifts does to show God is working in the life of the believer? Absolutely yet tongues is not the only gift which does that.
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the difference of those in the body and out of the Body meaning Christians and non-Christians. The unsaved the Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin. The saved the Holy Spirit empowers to be a witness and edifies, comforts and exhorts the body of Christ. 1cor and 2cor were written to the church, not to the unsaved.
 
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Here again you fail to grasp the message of the scripture I posted. Always hating on me and missing the message of scripture.

I pity you.

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I can't beleive you talk to him like that.
 
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CS1 said:
the difference of those in the body and out of the Body meaning Christians and non-Christians. The unsaved the Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin. The saved the Holy Spirit empowers to be a witness and edifies, comforts and exhorts the body of Christ. 1cor and 2cor were written to the church, not to the unsaved.
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Edification comes through the word of God. Comfort comes through the word of God. Exhortation comes through the word of God. The Holy Spirit convinces of sin, righteousness and judgment through the word of God.

1 & 2 Corinthians was written to a church in disarray. A church in one of the most ungodly places in the world. Corinth was so bad that the Romans destroyed it and warned others not to go there. Corinth was famous for having a temple with 1000 prostitutes.

A church that turned the Lords table into a drunken feast. A church where a son took his fathers wife as his own. The Corinthians had accepted a lot of things that they needed to separate themselves from to be near the Lord. The Lord loved them and Paul pleaded with them to come out and touch not the unclean thing. Corinth is an example not to be emulated but to teach us to be holy unto the Lord.

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Edification comes through the word of God. Comfort comes through the word of God. Exhortation comes through the word of God. The Holy Spirit convinces of sin, righteousness and judgment through the word of God.

1 & 2 Corinthians was written to a church in disarray. A church in one of the most ungodly places in the world. Corinth was so bad that the Romans destroyed it and warned others not to go there. Corinth was famous for having a temple with 1000 prostitutes.

A church that turned the Lords table into a drunken feast. A church where a son took his fathers wife as his own. The Corinthians had accepted a lot of things that they needed to separate themselves from to be near the Lord. The Lord loved them and Paul pleaded with them to come out and touch not the unclean thing. Corinth is an example not to be emulated but to teach us to be holy unto the Lord.

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".....but you will receive power after the Holy Spirit is come on you"
 
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CS1 said:
the difference of those in the body and out of the Body meaning Christians and non-Christians. The unsaved the Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin. The saved the Holy Spirit empowers to be a witness and edifies, comforts and exhorts the body of Christ. 1cor and 2cor were written to the church, not to the unsaved.
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An atheist friend of mine just got saved.
You should hear his testimony.
Cessationists would hate his testimony.
When he tells it,some of the components are supernatural.
To top it off,he ended up in a charismatic church.
W
I was beside myself and i get teary eyed when i tell his story.
Talk about a changed man. Wow wow wow.
I got laughed out of the mens bible study when i gave Larry's testimony.
Litterally laughed out.
Once fallen schooled me on being ugly calling cessationists anti christ.
The truth is cutting.
It always was and always will be.
It is NOT for the nominal beleiver.

When i see a man vile against the things of God,and he has a Damascus roed conversion. Violently taken by heaven. And all he wants now is to serve God,and an entire group tramples it like swine,all you can do is smile and start walking backwards,get in your car ,and burn rubber outta there,the whole time saying "thank you Jesus,thank you Jesus,Thank you Jesus.
Pretending it is not antichrist would be ugly,not ripping back the blanket to expose a no brainer.
 
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Edification comes through the word of God. Comfort comes through the word of God. Exhortation comes through the word of God. The Holy Spirit convinces of sin, righteousness and judgment through the word of God.

1 & 2 Corinthians was written to a church in disarray. A church in one of the most ungodly places in the world. Corinth was so bad that the Romans destroyed it and warned others not to go there. Corinth was famous for having a temple with 1000 prostitutes.

A church that turned the Lords table into a drunken feast. A church where a son took his fathers wife as his own. The Corinthians had accepted a lot of things that they needed to separate themselves from to be near the Lord. The Lord loved them and Paul pleaded with them to come out and touch not the unclean thing. Corinth is an example not to be emulated but to teach us to be holy unto the Lord.

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...and let me guess,that upper room sillyness was a detour. Their real calling was to the local baptist church.

Think of the waste heaven misapplied.
Even Jesus himself was deluded.
Power was wrong,totally wrong.

Lets see,i think i see it now.
Jesus' deal was temporary. Mainly historic and a little confused.
Pauls deal was permanent with a little tweaking,since paul was a little confused over that charismatic ,power,healing,dead raising,prophetic,tongue talking mess.

Thank God we have theologians to connect the dots.
Somehow that bible offends. But man comes to the rescue with the bible ketchup. And if it gets really hard to chew,spit it out.
 
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Edification comes through the word of God. Comfort comes through the word of God. Exhortation comes through the word of God. The Holy Spirit convinces of sin, righteousness and judgment through the word of God.

1 & 2 Corinthians was written to a church in disarray. A church in one of the most ungodly places in the world. Corinth was so bad that the Romans destroyed it and warned others not to go there. Corinth was famous for having a temple with 1000 prostitutes.

A church that turned the Lords table into a drunken feast. A church where a son took his fathers wife as his own. The Corinthians had accepted a lot of things that they needed to separate themselves from to be near the Lord. The Lord loved them and Paul pleaded with them to come out and touch not the unclean thing. Corinth is an example not to be emulated but to teach us to be holy unto the Lord.

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and yet God in His mercy actually saved people there

perhaps we should strike out of the Bible every person who has a sinful story

let's see now. just the famous ones then cause all those names that are hard to pronounce will be skipped over

Adam & Eve and their murderous son
Noah and his sons
Abraham and Lot
more than one prophet. all of them actually
kings of Israel
David for sure and his son who was the smartest man ever but yet took up with 1000's of women for political alliances and afternoon dalliances

well that's a start. you know, about the only one I figure never sinned was Jesus

Paul had alot of patience with the Corinthians because God had alot of patience with him.

I guess your church must be pretty empty :cautious:

we are earthen vessels into which God, in his way of surprising everyone, managed to pour His Holy Spirit

so if I understand what you posted, you believe only perfect people should be made examples and all those filthy Corinthians should go straight to hell, not pass go and not collect 200.00

just toss the Bible out. there is not much in there you seem to actually believe anyway :rolleyes:

Abraham is your father it would seem
 
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UnderGrace said:
1. So you are stating the tongues proves the existence of God?

2. Glossa" (glwssa), which is the word used to designate the languages discussed in the letter to the Corinthians, means either the tongue (the physical organ in our mouth) or a language accessible to human understanding such as a foreign language, but not the phenomena such as glossolalia. Therefore the issue at the church of Corinth was the existence of foreign languages within a congregation and how they should be managed, a translator was required otherwise they were to keep silent, this was not the gift in Acts of the Holy Spirit.
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Tongues is prophecy as the word of God. The word of God proves the existence of God according to faith.
 
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and yet God in His mercy actually saved people there

perhaps we should strike out of the Bible every person who has a sinful story

let's see now. just the famous ones then cause all those names that are hard to pronounce will be skipped over

Adam & Eve and their murderous son
Noah and his sons
Abraham and Lot
more than one prophet. all of them actually
kings of Israel
David for sure and his son who was the smartest man ever but yet took up with 1000's of women for political alliances and afternoon dalliances

well that's a start. you know, about the only one I figure never sinned was Jesus

Paul had alot of patience with the Corinthians because God had alot of patience with him.

I guess your church must be pretty empty :cautious:

we are earthen vessels into which God, in his way of surprising everyone, managed to pour His Holy Spirit

so if I understand what you posted, you believe only perfect people should be made examples and all those filthy Corinthians should go straight to hell, not pass go and not collect 200.00

just toss the Bible out. there is not much in there you seem to actually believe anyway :rolleyes:

Abraham is your father it would seem
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I know this is a complicated thing for you to grasp but the Corinthians had a culture of impurity and it continued to color their assemblies. They were being sanctified but they had a long way to go. Their mistakes were recorded by God to help the rest of us to grow and not get mired down in the problems they had in Corinth. Paul was not encouraging the Corinthians to remain babes in their walk with Christ but to daily put off the old man and walk in newness of life in Christ.

The historic and biblical context of the church at Corinth does not lend itself to supporting what is going on today based on the three chapters in the first letter Paul wrote to them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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notuptome said:
Edification comes through the word of God. Comfort comes through the word of God. Exhortation comes through the word of God. The Holy Spirit convinces of sin, righteousness and judgment through the word of God.

1 & 2 Corinthians was written to a church in disarray. A church in one of the most ungodly places in the world. Corinth was so bad that the Romans destroyed it and warned others not to go there. Corinth was famous for having a temple with 1000 prostitutes.

A church that turned the Lords table into a drunken feast. A church where a son took his fathers wife as his own. The Corinthians had accepted a lot of things that they needed to separate themselves from to be near the Lord. The Lord loved them and Paul pleaded with them to come out and touch not the unclean thing. Corinth is an example not to be emulated but to teach us to be holy unto the Lord.

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I stated as much and with no honesty was also given a red x......the Corinthian assembly was immature, carnal, and had some 15 errors <---factual truth.....now watch.....to disagree with these TRUTHS = zero honesty
 
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I stated as much and with no honesty was also given a red x......the Corinthian assembly was immature, carnal, and had some 15 errors <---factual truth.....now watch.....to disagree with these TRUTHS = zero honesty
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It is hard for people to see things which will destroy the root of their belief system.
 
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dcontroversal said:
I stated as much and with no honesty was also given a red x......the Corinthian assembly was immature, carnal, and had some 15 errors <---factual truth.....now watch.....to disagree with these TRUTHS = zero honesty
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There are times when that little red x is a badge of honor. It is especially troubling when scripture is posted and they give scripture the little red x.

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garee said:
Tongues is prophecy as the word of God. The word of God proves the existence of God according to faith.
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No, tongues is distinguished from prophecy clearly in 1 Corinthians.

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The word of God proves the existence of God according to faith.
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No, God exists independent of faith. The demons believe in the existence of God, but they don't have faith. The word of God proves the existence of God rationally. We are saved by faith. It is impossible to prove anything by (or "according to") faith.
 
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notuptome said:
I know this is a complicated thing for you to grasp but the Corinthians had a culture of impurity and it continued to color their assemblies. They were being sanctified but they had a long way to go. Their mistakes were recorded by God to help the rest of us to grow and not get mired down in the problems they had in Corinth. Paul was not encouraging the Corinthians to remain babes in their walk with Christ but to daily put off the old man and walk in newness of life in Christ.

The historic and biblical context of the church at Corinth does not lend itself to supporting what is going on today based on the three chapters in the first letter Paul wrote to them.

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well you may very well understand impurity better than I do, but take it up with the author

God saw fit to include Corinthians and since He also states the heart is desperately wicked I guess He thought to help those, like you,
who believe that your self righteousness exceeds the righteousness of God also

you would make a case for the devil if you thought you could slam someone :rolleyes:
 
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notuptome said:
There are times when that little red x is a badge of honor. It is especially troubling when scripture is posted and they give scripture the little red x.

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It's troubling when someone posts commentary along with Scripture, or misuses Scripture, and thinks the disagreement is for the Scripture itself.
 
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notuptome said:
There are times when that little red x is a badge of honor. It is especially troubling when scripture is posted and they give scripture the little red x.

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100% agree.....no matter how one slices, dices and rejects...the Corinthian church had 15 errors, was CARNAL and spiritually immature......
 
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How can you slander your sister like this and say it is for the cause of Christ?
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History. It is difficult for those who hold to tongues to see scripture that teaches the opposite to be true. Tongues take all the oxygen out of the room and make it unlikely that the seed will grow.

You may wish to take it as unkind but I cannot help for your personal opinion. I must stand on the word of God.

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History. It is difficult for those who hold to tongues to see scripture that teaches the opposite to be true. Tongues take all the oxygen out of the room and make it unlikely that the seed will grow.

You may wish to take it as unkind but I cannot help for your personal opinion. I must stand on the word of God.

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Well, that's one way to justify sin. It is difficult for anyone who holds a particular position to "see" Scripture that teaches the opposite to be true. Someone could say exactly the same thing about you.

Did "tongues" take all the oxygen out of the upper room in Acts 2? Um, no. If you're going to claim that you stand on the word of God, don't make ridiculous arguments that have nothing to do with the word of God.

Standing on the word of God never requires you to slander others.
 
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