Born Again Speaking in Tongues

[Scribe]

umm..possible for you to post in paragraphs? this sort of post causes people to either skip over it or go cross eyes trying to read it
thanks



what are you saying here? what do you consider born again?

They had repented and put faith in Christ, his death and resurrection, and they had been baptised in the water. Plus Jesus had breathed on them (at least the 11) and said Receive the Holy Spirit. The 120 in the upper room were already born again before they were Baptized in the Holy Spirit. When they spoke in tongues it was not to be taken as evidence that they had been born again but rather evidence that they had been baptized in the Holy Spirit.

As we continue throughout the book of Acts we find more examples of believers who were already born again, believers who spoke in tongues after they were baptized in the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was already in them as a result of having repented and believed in Christ and were regenerated. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a separate work of grace given to them to make them equipped to minister in the power of the Holy Ghost with signs following the preaching of the word. I also believe that we can receive infillings of the Holy Ghost for ministry as in the example Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

Where others see some kind of one-time instance I see a pattern in the book of Acts that I follow by faith. I am fully persuaded that my hermeneutics is sound and that He will say to me "well done" because I interpreted these examples in Acts as applicable to me and my faith for today.

I know that I am not saying anything that has not been said before, but I will keep throwing it out there, even at the risk of being repetitive. for the mutual edification of those that may stumble upon my humble comments.

 

[know1]

Very clear and true that it is the word of God and the Holy Spirit is the agency of being born twice. A second birth is by Spirit and his word, the gospel of salvation.

Ephesians 1;13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

I KNOW this to be true, but soooo many fail to see even this simple truth.
One reason why I think so many reject this truth is because it's reversible. That's my guess anyway.
I talked to a former ordained Baptist minister who turned atheist. Both he and his wife.
He knew the bible inside and out, yet, because of his alleged deaths, both he and his wife turn from believing in Jesus as their lord and savior, even the existence of God, to believing there is no God. All because he didn't see anything but blackness when according to him, he died 3 times. Once for about an hour and 15 minutes. All that time without suffering brain damage. He was still quite sharp, trying to convince me I didn't truly believe.
I had to let him know, I really did KNOW, not only God was real, but His word was truth. I knew that then and now.
Anyway, my simple logic is, if one is born again by receiving the gospel of Jesus Christ, then it is possible for the same to reject said gospel and lose their salvation. Something Hebrews talked about. But that is only the mature in Christ who can lose it, not the babies.
According to Jn 3:5.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Scribe, post: 3944999, member: 14352"]They had repented and put faith in Christ, his death and resurrection, and they had been baptised in the water. Plus Jesus had breathed on them (at least the 11) and said Receive the Holy Spirit. The 120 in the upper room were already born again before they were Baptized in the Holy Spirit. When they spoke in tongues it was not to be taken as evidence that they had been born again but rather evidence that they had been baptized in the Holy Spirit.

right.

As we continue throughout the book of Acts we find more examples of believers who were already born again, believers who spoke in tongues after they were baptized in the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was already in them as a result of having repented and believed in Christ and were regenerated. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a separate work of grace given to them to make them equipped to minister in the power of the Holy Ghost with signs following the preaching of the word. I also believe that we can receive infillings of the Holy Ghost for ministry as in the example Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

right

Where others see some kind of one-time instance I see a pattern in the book of Acts that I follow by faith. I am fully persuaded that my hermeneutics is sound and that He will say to me "well done" because I interpreted these examples in Acts as applicable to me and my faith for today.

I know that I am not saying anything that has not been said before, but I will keep throwing it out there, even at the risk of being repetitive. for the mutual edification of those that may stumble upon my humble comments.

thanks for the paragraphs this time. by 'right' above I mean I agree. I thought you meant something different so glad I asked you to clarify.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

By definition, Prophetic messages are an addition to scripture. If God gives a person a word, he is giving them scripture.

not if you understand the gift as it supposed to be used in the NT

perhaps I can prophetically say you do not

or is that a word of knowledge?

 

[Dino246]

By definition, Prophetic messages are an addition to scripture. If God gives a person a word, he is giving them scripture.

That's just your opinion, not biblical truth.

First, it isn't stated in Scripture... anywhere.

Second, in Acts 21, it is stated that Philip had four daughters who prophesied, yet the prophecies they spoke are not part of Scripture.

Third, Peter quotes Joel, saying "Your sons and daughters shall prophesy..." yet there isn't a single word of Scripture 'prophesied' by a woman after that time.

Fourth, Paul gave instruction in 1 Corinthians 14, "Be eager to prophesy...". Does that mean "Be eager to add to Scripture"? Of course not. There isn't a single word of Scripture that was written by one of the Corinthian believers, so either Paul was blowing smoke, or your view of prophecy is untenable.

Your error is a form of the fallacy of composition. You believe (rightly) that all Scripture is God-breathed, but you reverse the 'equation' by believing (wrongly) that everything breathed by God is Scripture. I'll illustrate it with an example:

All tigers are cats (true) therefore all cats are tigers (false).

Because Scripture doesn't actually state that all prophecy is Scripture, we can't make any biblically-supported doctrinal stand on the matter.

 

[Dino246]

not if you understand the gift as it supposed to be used in the NT

perhaps I can prophetically say you do not

or is that a word of knowledge?

Discernment.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They had repented and put faith in Christ, his death and resurrection, and they had been baptised in the water. Plus Jesus had breathed on them (at least the 11) and said Receive the Holy Spirit. The 120 in the upper room were already born again before they were Baptized in the Holy Spirit. When they spoke in tongues it was not to be taken as evidence that they had been born again but rather evidence that they had been baptized in the Holy Spirit.

As we continue throughout the book of Acts we find more examples of believers who were already born again, believers who spoke in tongues after they were baptized in the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was already in them as a result of having repented and believed in Christ and were regenerated. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a separate work of grace given to them to make them equipped to minister in the power of the Holy Ghost with signs following the preaching of the word. I also believe that we can receive infillings of the Holy Ghost for ministry as in the example Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

Where others see some kind of one-time instance I see a pattern in the book of Acts that I follow by faith. I am fully persuaded that my hermeneutics is sound and that He will say to me "well done" because I interpreted these examples in Acts as applicable to me and my faith for today.

I know that I am not saying anything that has not been said before, but I will keep throwing it out there, even at the risk of being repetitive. for the mutual edification of those that may stumble upon my humble comments.

Why do you think the baptism of the spirit is some religious thing, an dnot the literal act of God baptising us as Jesus said would happen? I am confused by this thinking,

Is not the gifting of the spirit based on when the HS enters us (the bible calls this being anointed)

I m just asking, Because the baptism of God (rom 6, col 2, 1 cor 12, and in gal) is an actual literal event of God baptising us into CHrist, and his death (rom 6) where we are spiritualy circumcised with the circumcision done by the hands of God, and baptized into vital union with Christ being the head (1 cor 12) It is where our sins are washed (titus 3: 5, and the cause of our new birth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's just your opinion, not biblical truth.

First, it isn't stated in Scripture... anywhere.

Second, in Acts 21, it is stated that Philip had four daughters who prophesied, yet the prophecies they spoke are not part of Scripture.

Third, Peter quotes Joel, saying "Your sons and daughters shall prophesy..." yet there isn't a single word of Scripture 'prophesied' by a woman after that time.

Fourth, Paul gave instruction in 1 Corinthians 14, "Be eager to prophesy...". Does that mean "Be eager to add to Scripture"? Of course not. There isn't a single word of Scripture that was written by one of the Corinthian believers, so either Paul was blowing smoke, or your view of prophecy is untenable.

Your error is a form of the fallacy of composition. You believe (rightly) that all Scripture is God-breathed, but you reverse the 'equation' by believing (wrongly) that everything breathed by God is Scripture. I'll illustrate it with an example:

All tigers are cats (true) therefore all cats are tigers (false).

Because Scripture doesn't actually state that all prophecy is Scripture, we can't make any biblically-supported doctrinal stand on the matter.

Yeah

Go ahead and give me an example of prophesy which is not found in scripture which you and folks like you have during your church services.

I am not talking about God laying a person on our heart, or giving us the spirit of discernment about something,, I am talking about all this prophetic utterances I keep hearing about happening in Charismatic churches.

Can you give an example?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Discernment.

It is lacking greatly in most of these threads..

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Yeah

Go ahead and give me an example of prophesy which is not found in scripture which you and folks like you have during your church services.

I am not talking about God laying a person on our heart, or giving us the spirit of discernment about something,, I am talking about all this prophetic utterances I keep hearing about happening in Charismatic churches.

Can you give an example?

you do not have the slightest clue regarding the operation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit

as you evidence every single time you try to explain them

 

[7seasrekeyed]

It is lacking greatly in most of these threads..

irony at it's bestest

 

[Dino246]

Yeah

Go ahead and give me an example of prophesy which is not found in scripture which you and folks like you have during your church services.

I am not talking about God laying a person on our heart, or giving us the spirit of discernment about something,, I am talking about all this prophetic utterances I keep hearing about happening in Charismatic churches.

Can you give an example?

You’re dodging by changing the subject now. If you have no rational response to my post, then at least admit it. I don’t accept guilt by association or burden of proof reversal.

 

[Deade]

Because Scripture doesn't actually state that all prophecy is Scripture, we can't make any biblically-supported doctrinal stand on the matter.

Yes Dino, I don't see where prophecy has to be affirmed in scripture. I and other have been given specific prophecy about something in our future and it always came about. God has His way of letting you know when something is really from Him.

I assume some people spoke against prophecy in in the first century. Paul exhorted them to not despise prophecy:

1 Thess. 5:19-22 "Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil."

I have witnessed prophetic tongues and their following interpretation. Were they all truly of God? I am not going to speculate on that, as I could be wrong.

 

[PS]

I know that I am not saying anything that has not been said before, but I will keep throwing it out there, even at the risk of being repetitive. for the mutual edification of those that may stumble upon my humble comments.

Keep saying it brother. Praise God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You’re dodging by changing the subject now. If you have no rational response to my post, then at least admit it. I don’t accept guilt by association or burden of proof reversal.

So you have no examples

But that’s ok. I am used to it. It is the usual response I get

People like to demand I am in error but can never show examples to prove I am in error. So I will Continue to believe as until Someone can change my Mind

 

[7seasrekeyed]

So you have no examples

But that’s ok. I am used to it. It is the usual response I get

People like to demand I am in error but can never show examples to prove I am in error. So I will Continue to believe as until Someone can change my Mind

so glad you said this!!!

we have here just the fix for Bible scholars like you

New WikiBible Lets Anyone Edit The Scriptures
June 7th, 2019

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U.S.—Utilizing Wikipedia's tried-and-true method of letting anyone in the world edit its content, so you know it's reliable, a new WikiBible will let anyone edit the inspired Scriptures.

The online Bible can be edited on the fly by anyone on the planet, with no login required. The creators of the new WikiBible hope that it will encourage people to just edit out verses that offend them or condemn their lifestyle. Verses that don't fit neatly into your theology can be deleted in a flash.
"Don't like a verse? Just edit it," one of the creators of the new Bible, Bob Bell, said in a video announcing the new internet Bible. "Want to inject some values from your modern culture into the text? Have at it. We are no longer restricting by the suffocating, oppressive rigidity of believing what God said. Now we can make Him say what we want Him to say."

"The Bible is so much better when it's created by popular consensus, rather than divine inspiration."

Unfortunately for the exciting new Bible project, at least one person found every verse in the Bible offensive for one reason or another, and the entire copy of God's Word was deleted within the first few hours of the site's launch. It's been replaced with phrases like "You can do it," "Believe in yourself," and "The magic was inside you all along."

 

[Dino246]

So you have no examples

But that’s ok. I am used to it. It is the usual response I get

People like to demand I am in error but can never show examples to prove I am in error. So I will Continue to believe as until Someone can change my Mind

I demonstrated your error from Scripture. Nothing else was needed.

 

[notuptome]

That's just your opinion, not biblical truth.

First, it isn't stated in Scripture... anywhere.

Second, in Acts 21, it is stated that Philip had four daughters who prophesied, yet the prophecies they spoke are not part of Scripture.

Third, Peter quotes Joel, saying "Your sons and daughters shall prophesy..." yet there isn't a single word of Scripture 'prophesied' by a woman after that time.

Fourth, Paul gave instruction in 1 Corinthians 14, "Be eager to prophesy...". Does that mean "Be eager to add to Scripture"? Of course not. There isn't a single word of Scripture that was written by one of the Corinthian believers, so either Paul was blowing smoke, or your view of prophecy is untenable.

Your error is a form of the fallacy of composition. You believe (rightly) that all Scripture is God-breathed, but you reverse the 'equation' by believing (wrongly) that everything breathed by God is Scripture. I'll illustrate it with an example:

All tigers are cats (true) therefore all cats are tigers (false).

Because Scripture doesn't actually state that all prophecy is Scripture, we can't make any biblically-supported doctrinal stand on the matter.

Joel's prophecy was to Israel and was about the end of the times of the Gentiles.

There would be no reason to think that what Phillips daughters prophesied was not from scripture. Paul was citing the same prophecy from scripture in 1 Cor 14. Taking what was written afore and opening it up for all to understand and comprehend it's fulfillment.

There is no prophecy apart from scripture. No word of wisdom except from scripture. The prophets are subject to the prophets. 1 Cor 14:32

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Dino246]

Joel's prophecy was to Israel and was about the end of the times of the Gentiles.

There would be no reason to think that what Phillips daughters prophesied was not from scripture. Paul was citing the same prophecy from scripture in 1 Cor 14. Taking what was written afore and opening it up for all to understand and comprehend it's fulfillment.

There is no prophecy apart from scripture. No word of wisdom except from scripture. The prophets are subject to the prophets. 1 Cor 14:32

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Reading Scripture aloud is not prophesying. Your last few sentences are not from Scripture, and so I will happily consider them hogwash.

 

[corazondeldei]

No true believer would ever teach obedience will get them saved, Because they know the fact that no amount of obedience would ever be enough to make up for the sins they have already committed, let alone the ones they will.

No true believer will ever teach it is ok to sin. Or disobedience

I do not teach either.

Your slander is about to place you in my prayer bin, I do not give liars an audience, if you wish to continue you can go find someone else to try to lie about.

Well, thanks for the humility and understanding.

I pray for humility and understanding.