Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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You believe the law was done away with. I will respect your right to feel that way.
I, for my part will go with
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
I, for my part will go with
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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See, along with my previous post (just above this), I believe that "the kingdom of the heavens" is the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom which will commence upon His Second Coming to the earth (long after our Rapture ['IN THE AIR'], which pertains solely to "the Church which is His body") [see Matt5:5 for example: "inherit the earth"]... so viewing those verses I posted in this light (which I ran out of time while editing, and couldn't clarify there... but this has afforded me that opportunity 
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So what should we tell them, that salvation is not reachable by nything we do. But after they are saved, That have to work to stay saved.
How would you feel if you got married, And instead of your husband saying till death do us part. He says until you make me angry, then I m out of here. Would you accept that covenant? And if you did, Would you not have to live in fear every day, and instead of depending on him to supply your needs (because he may terminate your marriage any day) you are forced to take care of your own needs? Could you ever truly love your husband, Or would you instead have to have a duty to serve him and submit to his every decree, not out of love, but duty? And if this is case, (remembering your husband represents God) how could you ever obey the first command, Of loving your husband above all else
Without OSAS, there can be no relationship.
How would you feel if you got married, And instead of your husband saying till death do us part. He says until you make me angry, then I m out of here. Would you accept that covenant? And if you did, Would you not have to live in fear every day, and instead of depending on him to supply your needs (because he may terminate your marriage any day) you are forced to take care of your own needs? Could you ever truly love your husband, Or would you instead have to have a duty to serve him and submit to his every decree, not out of love, but duty? And if this is case, (remembering your husband represents God) how could you ever obey the first command, Of loving your husband above all else
Without OSAS, there can be no relationship.
I have read this a couple times and I know what you wrote but don't know why. I say if you have been given the instruction manual on who you are to marry, what they will and won't do, what they are looking for is a spouse, what will be expected of you, you should study it and make sure that is the life you are looking for especially if that spouse is God. We are His SERVANTS, He will never be ours again. He is coming back as Lord of lords and King of kings, and I will submit to His every decree, with love, duty or not. Obedience to God is not a problem.
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I feel we have covered our sides to this part of the Word. I respect you and your feelings. I believe we are a many membered body with different gifts and different jobs and Gods Plan is all that matters. Plant as many seeds as we can so God can make them grow should that be His will. Thank you very much for conversing with me. I have enjoyed the time as I love to ponder and study the Word of God. I am sure we will "meet" again soon. Have a wonderful day. Glory to God, forever and ever.
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I wrote it to give a counter argument to your question as to what are we supposed to do for a new believer teach them OSAS?
You missed my point, You would never marry a person who is demanding, and is threatening to leave at any given moment if you do not live up to his or her standard. You would have to continuously live in fear. Or live in denial,
If salvation can be lost, It MUST be earned,
God adopts us into his family. When we are at our worse. Why would we kick us out of his family if we can never get to that state again? It makes no sense.
Our faiht is based on HOPE? (Paul calls it the HOPE of eternal life, which God who can not lie promised before time began) if you do not offer the believer true living HOPE when he is saved, How can you expect them to continue in faith?
Saying salvation can not lost is not giving hope.
Once again, You can not tell a person he HAS to receive Christ because you are lost and without hope (can;t save yourself) then turn around and say you now must PERFECT that salvation in the flesh (in fact, Paul said this is foolish)
You missed my point, You would never marry a person who is demanding, and is threatening to leave at any given moment if you do not live up to his or her standard. You would have to continuously live in fear. Or live in denial,
If salvation can be lost, It MUST be earned,
God adopts us into his family. When we are at our worse. Why would we kick us out of his family if we can never get to that state again? It makes no sense.
Our faiht is based on HOPE? (Paul calls it the HOPE of eternal life, which God who can not lie promised before time began) if you do not offer the believer true living HOPE when he is saved, How can you expect them to continue in faith?
Saying salvation can not lost is not giving hope.
Once again, You can not tell a person he HAS to receive Christ because you are lost and without hope (can;t save yourself) then turn around and say you now must PERFECT that salvation in the flesh (in fact, Paul said this is foolish)
See, along with my previous post (just above this), I believe that "the kingdom of the heavens" is the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom which will commence upon His Second Coming to the earth (long after our Rapture ['IN THE AIR'], which pertains solely to "the Church which is His body") [see Matt5:5 for example: "inherit the earth"]... so viewing those verses I posted in this light (which I ran out of time while editing, and couldn't clarify there... but this has afforded me that opportunity )
Welcome to CC, I see you're a new member. Hope to see you around the boards.
)Welcome to CC, I see you're a new member. Hope to see you around the boards.
Ja 4:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God: thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith make perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled with saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Hi DeightAnn!
First off I want to start of by saying that the KJV 1611 is God’s word, since the old testament comes from the Hebrew massurect text. The new testament comes from the textus receptus. Anyway Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are old testament, for Jesus then haven’t died. Also Acts is a book of transition, so that means that for the first few chapters it is still old testament and then in about chapter 7 starts with the new testament, since Paul starts making that transition. In Ephesians 2:8-9 says:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Romans 3:25 says:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 says:
MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
So in the bible there are different dispensations, which basically means ways to get saved according to dispensation you are in. Right now we are in the church age, and in the law, which was before Christ died, that was what you had believe in, and if I am not mistaken you also had to sacrifice a lamb and believe that, that cleanses your sins! So according to the scriptures in the dispensation we are in now, salvation comes through faith in Paul’s gospel. Christ died on that cross for all of our sins, and once you believe in blood of Christ and nothing else the holy spirit will dwell inside of you .13 Ephesians 1:13 says: In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, . Adam and Eve were created in God’s image, but since Eve sinned and Adam loved her so much that he sinned and, they died, but spiritually. The holy spirit didn’t dwell in them anymore, so everyone after them were created in Adam’s image. That means we are born 2/3, flesh and soul, but once you believe in the blood atonement of Jesus Christ, the holy spirit will dwell and you, and you will be 3/3, and go to heaven!
First off I want to start of by saying that the KJV 1611 is God’s word, since the old testament comes from the Hebrew massurect text. The new testament comes from the textus receptus. Anyway Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are old testament, for Jesus then haven’t died. Also Acts is a book of transition, so that means that for the first few chapters it is still old testament and then in about chapter 7 starts with the new testament, since Paul starts making that transition. In Ephesians 2:8-9 says:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Romans 3:25 says:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 says:
MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
So in the bible there are different dispensations, which basically means ways to get saved according to dispensation you are in. Right now we are in the church age, and in the law, which was before Christ died, that was what you had believe in, and if I am not mistaken you also had to sacrifice a lamb and believe that, that cleanses your sins! So according to the scriptures in the dispensation we are in now, salvation comes through faith in Paul’s gospel. Christ died on that cross for all of our sins, and once you believe in blood of Christ and nothing else the holy spirit will dwell inside of you .13 Ephesians 1:13 says: In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, . Adam and Eve were created in God’s image, but since Eve sinned and Adam loved her so much that he sinned and, they died, but spiritually. The holy spirit didn’t dwell in them anymore, so everyone after them were created in Adam’s image. That means we are born 2/3, flesh and soul, but once you believe in the blood atonement of Jesus Christ, the holy spirit will dwell and you, and you will be 3/3, and go to heaven!
Christians planning on marriage to anyone not a fellow believer are encouraged to seek counseling. If one is willing to live a life with an unbeliever and undergo possible mistreatments, then so be it. At least they should give that a deep examination. The Bible allows the believer escape if the unbeliever departs, but meanwhile the believer might win over the unbeliever if the life is tolerable. Most marriages change as each spouse changes through growth, or for the worse. The Bible allows a Christian to depart if the spouse commits adultry.
Christianity is not about marriage to Jesus. He doesn't leave a relationship, but allows followers to 'unfollow" for whatever reason, especially if a person is a spiritual adulterer. God divorced Israel for that cause.
Hebrews 6 is not Old Testament, so read it and decide for yourself whether God lets you live in any kind of adultry and remain "saved" as a follower of Jesus.
Christianity is not about marriage to Jesus. He doesn't leave a relationship, but allows followers to 'unfollow" for whatever reason, especially if a person is a spiritual adulterer. God divorced Israel for that cause.
Hebrews 6 is not Old Testament, so read it and decide for yourself whether God lets you live in any kind of adultry and remain "saved" as a follower of Jesus.
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Hey Guojing!
All of this is new to me, I am 15 , but I love learning the true words of Christ and rightly diving! I consider myself being a KJV 1611, believing that in this dispensation we must believe in the blood to get saved. Since the first chapters of Acts are old testament, I would believe more in chapter 7 of Acts, since the new testament starts there. With that being said, I do like reading the old testament books of course, because some things we can apply for us today, but we must be careful how we divide the scriptures and actually rightly divide the word of God. Sorry if I did not really answer your question properly, as I said these things are sort of new to me, but one thing I am sure of is that faith today comes through the blood of Christ, and nothing more!
God bless you!
All of this is new to me, I am 15 , but I love learning the true words of Christ and rightly diving! I consider myself being a KJV 1611, believing that in this dispensation we must believe in the blood to get saved. Since the first chapters of Acts are old testament, I would believe more in chapter 7 of Acts, since the new testament starts there. With that being said, I do like reading the old testament books of course, because some things we can apply for us today, but we must be careful how we divide the scriptures and actually rightly divide the word of God. Sorry if I did not really answer your question properly, as I said these things are sort of new to me, but one thing I am sure of is that faith today comes through the blood of Christ, and nothing more!
God bless you!
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Right. Anti-Dispensationalism is just a defensive response to the exposure of the false theologies and eschatologies which prevailed for over 1500 years in Christendom.
Dispensationalism cannot be a heresy for the simple reason that it seeks to determine how God related to men at different times in human history (which generally corresponded to the different covenants). And we know from Scripture that there will eventually be a "Dispensation of the Fulness of Times" (Eph 1:10 KJV)
At the same time, all Christians should BEWARE OF HYPER- OR ULTRA-DISPENSATIONALISM, (also called Bullingerism) which is indeed heretical
Dispensationalism cannot be a heresy for the simple reason that it seeks to determine how God related to men at different times in human history (which generally corresponded to the different covenants). And we know from Scripture that there will eventually be a "Dispensation of the Fulness of Times" (Eph 1:10 KJV)
At the same time, all Christians should BEWARE OF HYPER- OR ULTRA-DISPENSATIONALISM, (also called Bullingerism) which is indeed heretical
Yeah, the opposite of dispensationalism is Covenant Theology, who believed that the gospel of grace began after Adam's fall, so they consider everyone in the OT are saved by the same as us, that is thru the death burial resurrection of Jesus.
Mid Acts are considered Hyper while Acts 28 are considered Ultra. Mid Acts is actually quite reasonable, in my opinion, because we regard Paul's salvation as the beginning of the grace dispensation towards the Gentiles.
Mid Acts are considered Hyper while Acts 28 are considered Ultra. Mid Acts is actually quite reasonable, in my opinion, because we regard Paul's salvation as the beginning of the grace dispensation towards the Gentiles.
Wow, that is all over the place. I have my 1611 bible right here, in my lap right now. I am telling you that after the OT comes the Apocrypha and then "THE NEWE TESTAMENT OF OUR LORD AND SAUIOUR IESVS CHRIST" Newly Translated out of the original Greeke: and with the former translations diligently compared and reuifed, by his Maiefties....cause that is how they wrote. So I must pass on what you have written, though a bit of it I do find correct. Good luck to you on your journey.