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This was a lot of fun for me today I enjoyed. each of your inputs to day. I love when some try to gang up on me 
and they don't even know they have been trolled. The argument this thread was hilarious. I never knew a RED X could be so fun and used to expose such immaturity. I hope you all enjoyed it as much as i did. God bless you all.
and they don't even know they have been trolled. The argument this thread was hilarious. I never knew a RED X could be so fun and used to expose such immaturity. I hope you all enjoyed it as much as i did. God bless you all.-
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If I preach sinless PERFECTION as you imply or say but could not show any proof then you are just slandering, accusing and attacking me and my views simply because I promote obedience to God and which clearly proves that you do reject the teachings regarding obedience to God's commands such as the ff:
NIV1984 Matthew 19:16-21,26
Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” ...Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
NIV1984 John 14:20-24
On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
If that's what you call sinless PERFECTION then I must be a sinless PERFECTIONIST and not a sinful PERFECTIONIST.
NIV1984 Hebrews 11:40
God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.
If you want to ENTER LIFE which is Jesus, obey the commandments as Jesus did when He came in the flesh. Rejecting His teaching to obey His commands is to reject the truth that He came in the flesh to do exactly what His Father COMMANDED Him to do.
NIV1984 John 14:31
but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me....
NIV1984 Hebrews 5:8-9
Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, ONCE MADE PERFECT, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him.
NIV1984 2 John 1:7-11
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
Speaking in tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit to those who are in the body of Christ whom Jesus will save being the head and Savior of that body which will be presented to Him as a pure virgin bride. The gifts are essential for building up that body of Christ and in no way should any part of it look down on those who possess any such gift.
NIV1984 1 Corinthians 12:14-15,25-26
Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body... so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
Therefore,do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
"No deceiver would truly teach obedience to God and no true Christian would ever teach DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD."
NIV1984 Matthew 19:16-21,26
Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” ...Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
NIV1984 John 14:20-24
On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
If that's what you call sinless PERFECTION then I must be a sinless PERFECTIONIST and not a sinful PERFECTIONIST.
NIV1984 Hebrews 11:40
God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.
If you want to ENTER LIFE which is Jesus, obey the commandments as Jesus did when He came in the flesh. Rejecting His teaching to obey His commands is to reject the truth that He came in the flesh to do exactly what His Father COMMANDED Him to do.
NIV1984 John 14:31
but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me....
NIV1984 Hebrews 5:8-9
Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, ONCE MADE PERFECT, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him.
NIV1984 2 John 1:7-11
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
Speaking in tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit to those who are in the body of Christ whom Jesus will save being the head and Savior of that body which will be presented to Him as a pure virgin bride. The gifts are essential for building up that body of Christ and in no way should any part of it look down on those who possess any such gift.
NIV1984 1 Corinthians 12:14-15,25-26
Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body... so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
Therefore,do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
"No deceiver would truly teach obedience to God and no true Christian would ever teach DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD."
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Today at 7:37 AM
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Lets see if pentecost is just some obsolete history of a once powerful God and church;
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
So Joel frames the last days as moon into blood and the sun darkened...WHICH HAS NOT YET HAPPENED.
Peter framed pentecost in those same last days.
MEANING IT,PENTECOST,WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE MOON TURNS TO BLOOD....
THE LAST DAYS.
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Lets see if pentecost is just some obsolete history of a once powerful God and church;
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
So Joel frames the last days as moon into blood and the sun darkened...WHICH HAS NOT YET HAPPENED.
Peter framed pentecost in those same last days.
MEANING IT,PENTECOST,WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE MOON TURNS TO BLOOD....
THE LAST DAYS.
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When I read the Word of God, I see a sinner saved by grace . When I read you, I see the pride of a Pharisee. Worse still I see in those who deny the working of the Holy Spirit, a denial of God himself. Remember God is Spirit and the Holy Spirit is God. I would never, ever deny the working of the Holy Spirit, because it is evidence of an unbelieving heart.
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do you participate in the 'not by works thread?'
if you do and you mention the word 'obedience' you will trigger certain people
you may know what I mean
there have been sinless perfection people here...so that name is broadly applied, now, to people who point out how a Christian should live
at this point, so many mistruths and twistings of posts are going on, all a person can do is post what the truth is
it will not matter to the little boys here
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So you think I preach a legalistic, Works based. Self righteous gospel of me trying to save myself by my obedience (A pharisee)
You can not even understand that the author of Hebrews wrote clearly, that we are positionaly made PERFECT in Christ (Paul called it the righteousness of Christ in us, Or in legal terms, the word is JUSTIFIED) The same righteousness that was given to Abraham when he believed (see gen 15 with Rom 4) And that while we are positionally perfected IN CHRIST (not by our own deeds) we are in a lifelong process of being sanctified (Made into the image of Christ) were are formed and Shaped into that image of Christ, Where we are new creatures, Who learn true obedience which comes out of love, and not false humility based obedience which comes out of duty and fear, (ie, a pharisee)
I can ony pray you truly see salvation by Grace, Because what you preach does not add up to grace. As paul said. If it is grace it is NO LONGER Works, otherwise, grace is no longer grace and vice versa.
A few people here need to see that, And understand that just because people preach salvation by Grace through faith, does not mean they preach it is ok to sin, or be disobedient. But it continues. And I doubt people will be able to see that without intervention from God. And that saddens me
You can not even understand that the author of Hebrews wrote clearly, that we are positionaly made PERFECT in Christ (Paul called it the righteousness of Christ in us, Or in legal terms, the word is JUSTIFIED) The same righteousness that was given to Abraham when he believed (see gen 15 with Rom 4) And that while we are positionally perfected IN CHRIST (not by our own deeds) we are in a lifelong process of being sanctified (Made into the image of Christ) were are formed and Shaped into that image of Christ, Where we are new creatures, Who learn true obedience which comes out of love, and not false humility based obedience which comes out of duty and fear, (ie, a pharisee)
I can ony pray you truly see salvation by Grace, Because what you preach does not add up to grace. As paul said. If it is grace it is NO LONGER Works, otherwise, grace is no longer grace and vice versa.
A few people here need to see that, And understand that just because people preach salvation by Grace through faith, does not mean they preach it is ok to sin, or be disobedient. But it continues. And I doubt people will be able to see that without intervention from God. And that saddens me
