Are Doing God’s Will and Sharing His Love Intertwined?

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newton3003

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In Matthew 7:21, Jesus says “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT THE ONE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven.” What is God’s Will? The Bible lays out certain behavior that is pleasing to God. But since ALL scripture is breathed out by God, it follows that we can’t pick and choose the parts we like while disregarding the others, it would seem. So, it seems to appear that the Will of God is to abide by everything in the Scriptures.

The New Testament consolidates the Laws of the Old Testament. Jesus said that the whole Law and the prophets can be summed up in two commandments…that we love God with all our heart, soul and mind, and we love eachother as we love ourselves. So, the New Testament tells us that we don’t have to abide by each of the 400 sum-odd Laws in the Old Testament to love God. And Jesus’ two commandments infers that loving eachother and loving God are two separate things. So what is left for us to show our love for Him?

The Old Testament, too, commands us to love God with all our heart, soul and might. But is there anywhere in the Old Testament that says we are to share His love with others, with the context of His love comprising the Laws he gave to Moses? Well, Isaiah 42:6-7 sys “I am the Lord; I have called you in righteousness; I will take you by the hand and keep you; I will give you as a covenant for the people, A LIGHT FOR THE NATIONS, TO OPEN THE EYES THAT ARE BLIND…” So, there is a duty even in the Old Testament to share God’s Love with others, as there is in the New Testament in which Jesus says in Matthew 28:19 to “Go…and make disciples of all nations…” In a sense, then, Jesus’ directive did not add to prophets such Isaiah.

At the very least, then, sharing the knowledge of God and His Goodness with others is indicative of our loving Him. And in loving our neighbor as we love ourselves as the Bible states in Leviticus 19:18 and 19:34, and in Jesus’ second commandment, it is inevitable that we will, through our words and actions, enlighten our neighbors of God’s Love for us.

There are certain groups of people who presume to have a superior knowledge of God yet does not do His Will by extending their love to their neighbors, instead keeping to themselves under a twisted philosophy of ‘Live and let live.’ They are as the Levite and the priest who, in Jesus’ Parable of the Good Samaritan, walk on by as they see a man in distress. Would God receive them as enthusiastically as he would receive those who share His Love with strangers?
 

TM19782017

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I can relate to the gist of what you are trying to understand.
I also looked at the dilemma of which side is God’s will? #1 Live and let live or #2 express outward love all the time? I relented to option #3.... Listen inward for what should be done at that specific time and place is correct to me.

I believe that an outward expression of loving everyone all the time is unrealistic for us humans and would come across as fake and possibly be viewed as boasting.
If loving everyone, all the time was the answer, there would be no need for faith.
The Bible is so perfectly written. It contains a roadmap for us all without showing specifics of turn here or turn there.
Look at some of the specific instructions given to people of the Bible. Right for them but not applicable to anyone else

Note: The second commandment says neighbor, not neighbors 😊
 
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In Matthew 7:21, Jesus says “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT THE ONE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven.” What is God’s Will? The Bible lays out certain behavior that is pleasing to God. But since ALL scripture is breathed out by God, it follows that we can’t pick and choose the parts we like while disregarding the others, it would seem. So, it seems to appear that the Will of God is to abide by everything in the Scriptures.

The New Testament consolidates the Laws of the Old Testament. Jesus said that the whole Law and the prophets can be summed up in two commandments…that we love God with all our heart, soul and mind, and we love eachother as we love ourselves. So, the New Testament tells us that we don’t have to abide by each of the 400 sum-odd Laws in the Old Testament to love God. And Jesus’ two commandments infers that loving eachother and loving God are two separate things. So what is left for us to show our love for Him?

The Old Testament, too, commands us to love God with all our heart, soul and might. But is there anywhere in the Old Testament that says we are to share His love with others, with the context of His love comprising the Laws he gave to Moses? Well, Isaiah 42:6-7 sys “I am the Lord; I have called you in righteousness; I will take you by the hand and keep you; I will give you as a covenant for the people, A LIGHT FOR THE NATIONS, TO OPEN THE EYES THAT ARE BLIND…” So, there is a duty even in the Old Testament to share God’s Love with others, as there is in the New Testament in which Jesus says in Matthew 28:19 to “Go…and make disciples of all nations…” In a sense, then, Jesus’ directive did not add to prophets such Isaiah.

At the very least, then, sharing the knowledge of God and His Goodness with others is indicative of our loving Him. And in loving our neighbor as we love ourselves as the Bible states in Leviticus 19:18 and 19:34, and in Jesus’ second commandment, it is inevitable that we will, through our words and actions, enlighten our neighbors of God’s Love for us.

There are certain groups of people who presume to have a superior knowledge of God yet does not do His Will by extending their love to their neighbors, instead keeping to themselves under a twisted philosophy of ‘Live and let live.’ They are as the Levite and the priest who, in Jesus’ Parable of the Good Samaritan, walk on by as they see a man in distress. Would God receive them as enthusiastically as he would receive those who share His Love with strangers?
GOD IS a SPIRIT and those who worship HIM must worship HIM In Spirit AND TRUTH.
 
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And? If? So? But? How does your statement apply?
I said this because your post said
In Matthew 7:21, Jesus says “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT THE ONE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven.” What is God’s Will? The Bible lays out certain behavior that is pleasing to God. But since ALL scripture is breathed out by God, it follows that we can’t pick and choose the parts we like while disregarding the others, it would seem. So, it seems to appear that the Will of God is to abide by everything in the Scriptures.
How does carnal man abide In the vine
John 3:16
King James Version


16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 
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Jesus says in Matthew 7:16-20 these words, "16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

Ephesians 5:9 tells us the three areas where the fruit is; (For the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23) is in all goodness and Righteousness and Truth;)

Therefore we only judge by their fruits in these areas.

Works of iniquity

“21 Not every one who says unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven (the repetition of the word “Lord” expresses astonishment, as if to say: “Are we to be disowned?”); but he who does the Will of My Father which is in Heaven (what is the Will of the Father? Verse 23 tells us).

22 Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not Prophesied in Your Name? and in Your Name have cast out devils? and in Your Name done many wonderful works? (These things are not the criteria, but rather Faith in Christ and what Christ has done for us at the Cross [Eph. 2:8-9, 13-18]. The Word of God alone is to be the judge of doctrine.)

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you (again we say, the criteria alone is Christ and Him Crucified [I Cor. 1:23]): depart from Me, you who work iniquity (we have access to God only through Christ, and access to Christ only through the Cross, and access to the Cross only through a denial of self [Lk. 9:23]; any other Message is Judged by God as “iniquity,” and cannot be a part of Christ [I Cor. 1:17]).” Matthew 7:21-23

JSM
 
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In Matthew 7:21, Jesus says “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT THE ONE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven.” What is God’s Will? The Bible lays out certain behavior that is pleasing to God. But since ALL scripture is breathed out by God, it follows that we can’t pick and choose the parts we like while disregarding the others, it would seem. So, it seems to appear that the Will of God is to abide by everything in the Scriptures.

The New Testament consolidates the Laws of the Old Testament. Jesus said that the whole Law and the prophets can be summed up in two commandments…that we love God with all our heart, soul and mind, and we love eachother as we love ourselves. So, the New Testament tells us that we don’t have to abide by each of the 400 sum-odd Laws in the Old Testament to love God. And Jesus’ two commandments infers that loving eachother and loving God are two separate things. So what is left for us to show our love for Him?

The Old Testament, too, commands us to love God with all our heart, soul and might. But is there anywhere in the Old Testament that says we are to share His love with others, with the context of His love comprising the Laws he gave to Moses? Well, Isaiah 42:6-7 sys “I am the Lord; I have called you in righteousness; I will take you by the hand and keep you; I will give you as a covenant for the people, A LIGHT FOR THE NATIONS, TO OPEN THE EYES THAT ARE BLIND…” So, there is a duty even in the Old Testament to share God’s Love with others, as there is in the New Testament in which Jesus says in Matthew 28:19 to “Go…and make disciples of all nations…” In a sense, then, Jesus’ directive did not add to prophets such Isaiah.

At the very least, then, sharing the knowledge of God and His Goodness with others is indicative of our loving Him. And in loving our neighbor as we love ourselves as the Bible states in Leviticus 19:18 and 19:34, and in Jesus’ second commandment, it is inevitable that we will, through our words and actions, enlighten our neighbors of God’s Love for us.

There are certain groups of people who presume to have a superior knowledge of God yet does not do His Will by extending their love to their neighbors, instead keeping to themselves under a twisted philosophy of ‘Live .. and let live.’ They are as the Levite and the priest who, in Jesus’ Parable of the Good Samaritan, walk on by as they see a man in distress. Would God receive them as enthusiastically as he would receive those who share His Love with strangers?
Good verse selections

I would add it would seem to define our imputed righteousness according to Philippians 2:12.

God’s Will working in us and Sharing His Love Intertwined as Emanuel with us yoked with him m do the good pleasure of him .a work of His perfect faithfulness
 

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In Matthew 7:21, Jesus says “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT THE ONE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven.” What is God’s Will? The Bible lays out certain behavior that is pleasing to God. But since ALL scripture is breathed out by God, it follows that we can’t pick and choose the parts we like while disregarding the others, it would seem. So, it seems to appear that the Will of God is to abide by everything in the Scriptures.
A person cannot even begin to do God's will until they are first born again, and once they are born again Jesus will never tell them, "I NEVER KNEW YOU.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
(Mat 7:21-23)

Taking bits and pieces of Scripture to make a case is not good hermeneutics.
 

JaumeJ

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Only for those wh think they understand, why do you suppose it is written about the Children of Israel they reisisted the Holy Spirit up until now?

Do all here realize that grace was alaways availed even to those who ignored it?

Do as others and continue studying. It is perfectly exscepable tomake your determinations, but never make conclusions that you cannot substatiate inthe sight of our Father. Not healthy to do. All love and blessings in Jesus, Yeshau.
 

newton3003

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Only for those wh think they understand, why do you suppose it is written about the Children of Israel they reisisted the Holy Spirit up until now?
Actually, the Children of Israel, at least some of them, accepted the Holy Spirit. They were among Jesus' first followers. without their help, we probably would have never heard of Jesus.

The Will of the Father is probably best described in terms of Jesus' first and second great commandments, since they reflect God's love for us.
 

JaumeJ

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Actually, the Children of Israel, at least some of them, accepted the Holy Spirit. They were among Jesus' first followers. without their help, we probably would have never heard of Jesus.

The Will of the Father is probably best described in terms of Jesus' first and second great commandments, since they reflect God's love for us.

My reference is only t the Word when through His prophets God said, "You are just as your fathers who always resisted the Holy Spirit." Were there none who believe and were guidede by the Holy Spirit we would nto have the Book.