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So another raging debate about tongues.
My experience is that when I was saved, I had the full Holy Spirit within me. That is Scriptural. We are not saved without the Holy Spirit within us.
I was filled with joy when God saved me. I started reading my Bible daily, praying, and my life was centred around Jesus.
My husband and I moved to Vancouver, and I met a guy in a laundromat who invited me to his church. It was charismatic. I heard strange things, and eventually learned it was speaking in tongues.
I was told constantly I need a second blessing, and to speak in tongues, which everyone did. Everyone told me it would make me closer to Jesus.
So, because if all the pressure, I started faking tongues. I didn't know I was faking, I thought it was real at that time. I didn't feel any different because I was already close to God! But it was pressure and nothing else.
We stayed in Pentecostal/charismatic churches for 15 years. The more I read the Bible, the shallower the preaching and doctrine seemed. It was always about Acts 2 and the other 4 or 5 places about speaking in tongues. I never heard about so many doctrines. Never heard the Bible systematically preached.
Then, some things happened which made me realize no one was really growing in Christ. We moved to an Evangelical Free church. I heard the Bible I was reading being preached. I was introduced to new ideas, doctrine and I realized what a lie the whole Charismatic Movement was. I realized how I had been led astray from the deep things of the Word and of God.
I am so blessed that God pulled me out of that cult. Because any group that says it has the only truth to be saved is a cult. I realize not every Pentecostal believes this, but it is the practice even. The AOG believes that people who don't speak in tongues. are second class Christians. That is the dogma followed in these churches. And pressure to get people to speak in tongues, like they are missing something, when in fact it is the charismatic/Pentecostal movement that is missing out on the whole truth of God.
I'm not a total cessationist. I know of a man who spoke 4 words in another tongue, which turned out to be Armenian, and there was s man in the meeting who was Armenian, and he wrote the words down, and the translation into English - "Jesus Christ is Lord." I think that if someone speaks on another teal language, or someone hears it in another real language AND they hearer gets saved, that is real! (And please don't start harassing me about private prayer, been there, done that for 15 years, and it simply is not real.)
Historically tongues passed away, I believe, even before the NT was complete. For what purpose were they resurrected in 1905? I think it was just another fad/peer pressure.
So, no need to explain what I am missing, or what happened in Acts and in the early church. Tongues are not normal today, and people would do well to walk away from "experiences" and get to know God for who he is, and not for the fun times babbling! God has given us a huge Bible. Read through it. Read in context and I guarantee you will find something very different that what is happening in all these tongue speaking churches!
My experience is that when I was saved, I had the full Holy Spirit within me. That is Scriptural. We are not saved without the Holy Spirit within us.
I was filled with joy when God saved me. I started reading my Bible daily, praying, and my life was centred around Jesus.
My husband and I moved to Vancouver, and I met a guy in a laundromat who invited me to his church. It was charismatic. I heard strange things, and eventually learned it was speaking in tongues.
I was told constantly I need a second blessing, and to speak in tongues, which everyone did. Everyone told me it would make me closer to Jesus.
So, because if all the pressure, I started faking tongues. I didn't know I was faking, I thought it was real at that time. I didn't feel any different because I was already close to God! But it was pressure and nothing else.
We stayed in Pentecostal/charismatic churches for 15 years. The more I read the Bible, the shallower the preaching and doctrine seemed. It was always about Acts 2 and the other 4 or 5 places about speaking in tongues. I never heard about so many doctrines. Never heard the Bible systematically preached.
Then, some things happened which made me realize no one was really growing in Christ. We moved to an Evangelical Free church. I heard the Bible I was reading being preached. I was introduced to new ideas, doctrine and I realized what a lie the whole Charismatic Movement was. I realized how I had been led astray from the deep things of the Word and of God.
I am so blessed that God pulled me out of that cult. Because any group that says it has the only truth to be saved is a cult. I realize not every Pentecostal believes this, but it is the practice even. The AOG believes that people who don't speak in tongues. are second class Christians. That is the dogma followed in these churches. And pressure to get people to speak in tongues, like they are missing something, when in fact it is the charismatic/Pentecostal movement that is missing out on the whole truth of God.
I'm not a total cessationist. I know of a man who spoke 4 words in another tongue, which turned out to be Armenian, and there was s man in the meeting who was Armenian, and he wrote the words down, and the translation into English - "Jesus Christ is Lord." I think that if someone speaks on another teal language, or someone hears it in another real language AND they hearer gets saved, that is real! (And please don't start harassing me about private prayer, been there, done that for 15 years, and it simply is not real.)
Historically tongues passed away, I believe, even before the NT was complete. For what purpose were they resurrected in 1905? I think it was just another fad/peer pressure.
So, no need to explain what I am missing, or what happened in Acts and in the early church. Tongues are not normal today, and people would do well to walk away from "experiences" and get to know God for who he is, and not for the fun times babbling! God has given us a huge Bible. Read through it. Read in context and I guarantee you will find something very different that what is happening in all these tongue speaking churches!
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I spoke in tongues on the day I received the indwelling Holy Spirit.
23 years later and I still pray in tongues daily and often.
Praying in the Holy Spirit is alive and wonderful. Uplifting.
So much answered prayer. Miracles. Healings. Protection. Provision.
Each to their own I guess. But for me praying in tongues is the real thing.
23 years later and I still pray in tongues daily and often.
Praying in the Holy Spirit is alive and wonderful. Uplifting.
So much answered prayer. Miracles. Healings. Protection. Provision.
Each to their own I guess. But for me praying in tongues is the real thing.
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As it was in the beginning ...
Just as the first church of the first century was Pentecostal with signs following and the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit
so again it is today in these last of last days - again as we rapidly approach the end of this world Jesus has revived his
Pentecostal church the same as he did in the beginning with signs following and the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit.
All over the world in these last days the race is on between Satan and Jesus. And while Satan is destroying mainstream
Christianity through liberalism and tolerance of heresies; Jesus is expanding his church through signs and miracles.
Pentecostal Holy Spirit revival is happening worldwide.
Just as the first church of the first century was Pentecostal with signs following and the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit
so again it is today in these last of last days - again as we rapidly approach the end of this world Jesus has revived his
Pentecostal church the same as he did in the beginning with signs following and the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit.
All over the world in these last days the race is on between Satan and Jesus. And while Satan is destroying mainstream
Christianity through liberalism and tolerance of heresies; Jesus is expanding his church through signs and miracles.
Pentecostal Holy Spirit revival is happening worldwide.
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Wonderful testimony Angela and thank you for sharing! 
My brother and his wife went through the same experience during the years they attended an AOG church. Their testimony sounds exactly like yours. May you continue to grow in Christ in your Evangelical Free church and God bless you!
My brother and his wife went through the same experience during the years they attended an AOG church. Their testimony sounds exactly like yours. May you continue to grow in Christ in your Evangelical Free church and God bless you! -
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Yeah your the innocent person who does no wrong.
Dconn and I are great friends. People have disagreements all the time, Thats what makes the body of. Christ so special. People do not have to always agree to be friends, or brother and sister. They can have fights like brother and sisters always do. And in the end of the day, they hug, Say God bless ya bro or sis. And move on.
Sadly some on here hold grudges, And have no discernment. Yes we laugh, What else should we do? Its funny when people do that kind of stuff. I mean I guess we all could mock this person in the thread in public, but really, What good would that do?
Dconn and I are great friends. People have disagreements all the time, Thats what makes the body of. Christ so special. People do not have to always agree to be friends, or brother and sister. They can have fights like brother and sisters always do. And in the end of the day, they hug, Say God bless ya bro or sis. And move on.
Sadly some on here hold grudges, And have no discernment. Yes we laugh, What else should we do? Its funny when people do that kind of stuff. I mean I guess we all could mock this person in the thread in public, but really, What good would that do?
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So. Question for the room.
7Seas? CS1? All the other people who lean charismatic.
Is this the truth Gospel. Or is it like i have said, people like this give your movemenat a bad name, and on top of his demand that one can NOT be saved APART from water baptism, (which I am sure non of you agree with) also show this person is also a false teacher. Teaching a gospel which is not from God?
7Seas? CS1? All the other people who lean charismatic.
Is this the truth Gospel. Or is it like i have said, people like this give your movemenat a bad name, and on top of his demand that one can NOT be saved APART from water baptism, (which I am sure non of you agree with) also show this person is also a false teacher. Teaching a gospel which is not from God?
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The part about not growing in Christ is of great concern to me. Christians need to grow in Christ. It is a waste of the great inheritance we have in Christ not to grow and be witnesses of Gods saving grace.
Your first hand testimony surely merits serious consideration. Experience does not overcome what God has written in His word. Good observation that it is not demonic but simply the will of man that produces much of the disorder in the lives of believers.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Your first hand testimony surely merits serious consideration. Experience does not overcome what God has written in His word. Good observation that it is not demonic but simply the will of man that produces much of the disorder in the lives of believers.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Excellent point! In fact I liked it so much I just began a new thread titled: The race is on between Satan and Jesus.
Hope you don't mind, Brother. In fact, I was wondering if you and Wansvic would like to do a website with much of what we are discussing here? I cant send PMs (not a paid member) but perhaps either of you can PM me?
Thanks again.
Hope you don't mind, Brother. In fact, I was wondering if you and Wansvic would like to do a website with much of what we are discussing here? I cant send PMs (not a paid member) but perhaps either of you can PM me?
Thanks again.
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Initial salvation is outside water baptism.
Baptism is like a diploma. It is a seal and says by obedience to my new King Jesus that HE is my master,my testimony,and I identify with his DBR. Baptism is my Jordan. It is change. It is "if any man is in Christ he is a new creation. all things have become new" Change. I am telling heaven,hell,and the world I am changed.
Now how far will a person get by skipping what Jesus said to do??????
That is the debate. Not whether the man dies 10 days after being born again and wasn't water baptized. Of course he is saved.
Baptism is like a diploma. It is a seal and says by obedience to my new King Jesus that HE is my master,my testimony,and I identify with his DBR. Baptism is my Jordan. It is change. It is "if any man is in Christ he is a new creation. all things have become new" Change. I am telling heaven,hell,and the world I am changed.
Now how far will a person get by skipping what Jesus said to do??????
That is the debate. Not whether the man dies 10 days after being born again and wasn't water baptized. Of course he is saved.
