Creation of universe

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Petercito

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Written by Jews doesn't mean meant for Jews or only used by Jews. Instructions to the church was also written by Jews but not meant for Judaism or tribal Jews. Read a bible.
I never said it was only for Jews. You said that not me.
 

Noose

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The Jews count the Days of The Week as Day ''One'' Day ''Two'' etc. The OT was written to Jews who think like Jews. You need to understand the bible from the Jewish way of thinking, not a western way of thinking.
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I never said it was only for Jews. You said that not me.
Counting has nothing to do with being Jewish, all tribes and races on earth will count the same because counting is not a language thing but Math. 1st Day will be 1st day in all the languages and 2nd day will be 2nd day in all languages under the sun. So counting and the 6 days of creation has absolutely nothing to do with being Jewish and how the Jewish thought.

Your argument is hereby dismissed as baseless. Try something else.
 

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Counting has nothing to do with being Jewish, all tribes and races on earth will count the same because counting is not a language thing but Math. 1st Day will be 1st day in all the languages and 2nd day will be 2nd day in all languages under the sun. So counting and the 6 days of creation has absolutely nothing to do with being Jewish and how the Jewish thought.

Your argument is hereby dismissed as baseless. Try something else.
Yawn...zzzzzz.
And your point is about as factual as santa clause or the easter bunny. Keep hoping kido.
 

Noose

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Yawn...zzzzzz.
And your point is about as factual as santa clause or the easter bunny. Keep hoping kido.
So is this where your argument hits a brick wall?
Totally disappointed, was expecting more of how Jews count differently from other tribes.
 

Petercito

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So is this where your argument hits a brick wall?
Totally disappointed, was expecting more of how Jews count differently from other tribes.
Yeah mate it’s hit a brick wall. Everything I have said is true, it’s simple but still too hard for you to understand, so is there any point continuing? I mean we have established the OT was written by Jews to Jews and their counting method is Day One etc as recorded in Genesis. The bible is now available to anyone but you still don’t get the facts. Stop thinking in the present and looking back into the past and using what you know now.
We are talking about how they saw things at that time.
In any case buffoon, I’m bored of going over the basics with simpletons. Smiley face, tick. Winner!!!
 

Noose

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Yeah mate it’s hit a brick wall. Everything I have said is true, it’s simple but still too hard for you to understand, so is there any point continuing? I mean we have established the OT was written by Jews to Jews and their counting method is Day One etc as recorded in Genesis. The bible is now available to anyone but you still don’t get the facts. Stop thinking in the present and looking back into the past and using what you know now.
We are talking about how they saw things at that time.
In any case buffoon, I’m bored of going over the basics with simpletons. Smiley face, tick. Winner!!!
2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.

Again, not written for the Jews but all believers and ALL believers are Jews:

Rom 2:28A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

Is there any other thing you'd like me to know?
 

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Didn't know it was a new age hogwash but i certainly know what i'm talking about.
how could you possibly? you said consciousness can't measure consciousness and the only thing with existence is consciousness.
 

Noose

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how could you possibly? you said consciousness can't measure consciousness and the only thing with existence is consciousness.
What i meant is; 'Time', finds its existence in the conscious mind and the universe, finds its existence in time. Arguing about time and deliberating via measurements/ observations how long the universe has been in existence is futility because it is like, we being conscious are trying to to find out how long consciousness has been in existence- it is impossible.

2 Pet 3:5But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through whicha the world of that time perished in the flood. 7And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

The old world (heavens and earth) passed away when consciousness was wiped out through the flood- so that world doesn't exist anymore (doesn't mean the earth disappeared but it was preserved through the consciousness of the 8 that survived).
The current heavens and earth (our consciousness) is preserved for fire through which it will also pass away.
 

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It was written by Jews Imbecile. And again if they were not literal days the scriptures in Exodus as quoted before make no sense much like your idiotic evasion of common sense and plain written language. I guess your a believer of evolution and all things random then half wit. “Smiley Face” ; )
Such insults are both unnecessary and inappropriate.
 
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Has it ever occurred to you that you're not the only Christian around here?

Give up the arrogant insults, or I will have to conclude that, because of the lack of spiritual fruit evident in your interaction with me, that you do not have the Spirit of God in you.

Though it be a sharp Sword, I do not see anything arrogant in the express Word of God that says "The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God".

I'm not at all worried about your judgment, it is irrelevant, for the Judgment is given to the saints of the most High, and the time just came that the saints will possess the Kingdom. And the Kingdom and Dominion, and the Greatness of the Kingdom under the whole heaven, must be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom, and all dominions will serve and obey Him. Furthermore, the Judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful.

Revelation 11:v.15 states peremptorily that "the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign for ever and ever.”

Revelation 11:v.18 reveals that "The nations will be angry - agressive - but the wrath of God comes, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and He gives reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and to them that fear His name, small and great, and He will destroy them which destroy the earth.
It's it.
 

Dino246

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Though it be a sharp Sword, I do not see anything arrogant in the express Word of God that says "The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God".

I'm not at all worried about your judgment, it is irrelevant, for the Judgment is given to the saints of the most High, and the time just came that the saints will possess the Kingdom. And the Kingdom and Dominion, and the Greatness of the Kingdom under the whole heaven, must be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom, and all dominions will serve and obey Him. Furthermore, the Judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful.

Revelation 11:v.15 states peremptorily that "the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign for ever and ever.”

Revelation 11:v.18 reveals that "The nations will be angry - agressive - but the wrath of God comes, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and He gives reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and to them that fear His name, small and great, and He will destroy them which destroy the earth.
It's it.
I yawn in your general direction.

If and when you show yourself to be capable of respectful conversation....
 
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You are talking total nonsense. The universe did not take its present form in 168 earth hours. Yome (Day) means a period of time, and evening/morning mark the beginning and ending of each era.

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יוֹם
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yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.
Total KJV occurrences: 2295

You are right, what he is talking is of total nonsense really. By the way, JESUS said: the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Now, now, JESUS was not speaking of the sabbath of 24 hours, though He was the Lord of this common day of sabbath also, for this peculiar day had nothing to do with the New Covenant established by God through JESUS, but it had and has to do with the seventh and last Millennium, the Millennium of Christ and the Kingdom of God, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, that is the Great Sabbath.

God sent JESUS in the fourth Day, around 4000 years after Adam, or 1.460.000 24hours day, and JESUS stated peremptorily, saying: John 5:v.17 - My Father WORKETH hitherto, and I work. Who preaches Genesis 1 refers itself to 24hours day contradicts JESUS, contradicts the express Word of God, and preaches lies.

And God blessed the seventh Day, the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Millennium or seventh and last Day, and sanctified this Day, the Great Sabbath, for it is the Day He planned to rest since the beginning, it is in this Day he rests from all His works with the establishment of His Kingdom here in the Earth. Again: God sent JESUS in the fourth Day, around 4000 years after Adam, or 1.460.000 24hours day, and JESUS stated peremptorily saying: John 5:v.17 - My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
 
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I yawn in your general direction.

If and when you show yourself to be capable of respectful conversation....
No surprise, JESUS prophesied, saying: While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
 

Dino246

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No surprise, JESUS prophesied, saying: While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Out of the heart the mouth speaks. Or, in your case, spews.

I'm done with you.
 

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Darkness and silence were always in existence the same a God was and is. RoboOp has it right. God created everything including light and all of the things we guage time and age by in the universe and in the earth. Thus all light from point A to point B was there when, whatever physically makes it, was created and the carbon that is dated was created as old carbon to "delude" the unbelievers, the same as when Satan will be unveiled.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 ( 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.) [From the New International Version (NIV) bible]
 

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The calendar has been changed.

They used the luni-sun callendar to year 400 A.D it started to disapear when constanine forbade it in year 325 A.D:
After that the 7 day cycle havent been changed. But after that i dosent mather becourse the callendar is all wrong.

Do you know that the sabbath in the bible always aqure on the 8,15,22 and the 29th. There are no other sabbats than these dates.
Same with the preperation 7,14,21 and 28th. But on our gregorian callendar you can have sabbath on 1-31. because its a false callendar that wasn't in use in the year 30 A.D.

Daniel 7:25 King James Version (KJV)
"25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change TIMES and LAWS"

Times and laws indeed have been changed! How can our week have names like Thors day, Frigs day, Tirs day they all are from the viking gods. Moon day and Sunday and also Saturnus day it is all pagan worship and that callendar wasent in use year 30A.D. Back then they still used the heavenly callendar.

Genessis 1:14 King James Version (KJV)
"14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for SEASONS, and for DAYS, and YEARS"

The callendar in the sky that man cant change! The Luni-Sun Callendar!
Whitout it you cant finde the true sabbath or calulate the true passower and resurection.




 
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Out of the heart the mouth speaks. Or, in your case, spews.
You say that because there is no Truth in you. The Word is God, God is Truth. We can do nothing against Truth, but for the Truth, of course. I quoted what JESUS prophesied, saying: While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept, for His word have I kept in mine heart, surely. But He knows your works, that you are neither cold nor hot, so then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, He will spue you out of His mouth evidently.
 
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2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 ( 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.) [From the New International Version (NIV) bible]
Revelation 19:v. 11

11 And I saw Heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth Judge and make War. (War? Rev. 12:v.7&3)

Revelation 12:v.7 & 3

7 And there was War in Heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon (the Red Dragon); and the Dragon fought and his angels,

3 And there appeared ANOTHER wonder in Heaven; and behold a great Red Dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Revelation 13:v.1 & 3 & 11-12 & 5-7 & 12-18

1 ... And I saw a Beast rise up out of the Sea (waters) - the FIRST Beast - , having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

3 And I saw one of his (7) heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the Beast.

11 And I beheld ANOTHER Beast coming up out of the earth - dry land -; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a Dragon. - A FALSE LAMB -

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the FIRST Beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST Beast, whose deadly wound - of one his 7 heads - was healed.

5 And there was given unto him - unto the FIRST Beast - a MOUTH speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue 42 months - OR 1260 DAYS - .
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in Heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make WAR with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

12 And he - the Dragon - exerciseth all the power of the FIRST Beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST Beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the Beast - the FIRST Beast - ; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the Beast -to the FIRST Beast - , which had the wound (verse 3 above) by a Sword, and did live.

15 And he - the Dragon - had power to give life unto the image of the Beast, that the image of the Beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the Beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the Beast - the name of the Dragon - , or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the Beast: for it is the number of a MAN; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

REvelation 12:7-10

7 And there was War in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon; and the Dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great Dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the Kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ:

11 And they - Michael and his angels - overcame him by the blood of the Lamb - JESUS -, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the Devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the Dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the Man child.

Daniel 12:1-3

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

1 Thessalonians 4:v.15-16

15 For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. - Daniel 12:v.2 above -

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel - MICHAEL - , and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: - Daniel 12:v.2 above -

Revelation 11:v.15

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.


9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
 

Dino246

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You say that because there is no Truth in you. The Word is God, God is Truth. We can do nothing against Truth, but for the Truth, of course. I quoted what JESUS prophesied, saying: While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept, for His word have I kept in mine heart, surely. But He knows your works, that you are neither cold nor hot, so then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, He will spue you out of His mouth evidently.
Yada yada yada. You don't know a thing about me, and yet you show up once a week to spew garbage at me. Just go away.