Creation of universe

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preston39

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A star 6000 light years away, simply means it takes traveling the speed of light 6000 years to reach that destination. It is distance away.

Since this thread is about Creation, don't you find it interesting that Evolution is a Religion, it takes a heap of faith the believe that Nothing exploded.

The real Big Bang is God saying, "let there be"

-Thank you.
You seem to think there is a conflict with ....a bang theory....and G-
d's creation. Please explain
 

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You seem to think there is a conflict with ....a bang theory....and G-
d's creation. Please explain
Science is proving the truth of the Bible. Each day is equal to a geological era.
 

Dino246

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Science is proving the truth of the Bible. Each day is equal to a geological era.
To the first sentence, yes. To the second, hogwash.
 

Dino246

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actually light does not travel it appears and the appearance of light depends on the source of light, so the stars u see in the night sky are as u see them now.
Where do you get such an idea? The travel of light is supported by experimental investigation. The mere fact that it has direction indicates that it travels.
 

Dino246

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Day four when it went dark corresponds to when the dionsours died.
What Bible are you reading? God created the land animals on day 6, not prior to day 4. It's rather ridiculous to claim that science supports the Bible and then make a statement that directly contradicts the Bible.
 

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If God created the universe in six ordinary days, then it adds upto nearly 6000 years from today. If so, how do we see the stars which are beyond 6000 light years? If we see a star which is 10000 light years away means, the star exists for at least 10000 years. If the age of universe is 6000 years, then it would take another 4000 years to see that star. Any thoughts??
Becourse the earth is flat and space are a fairytail for grownups.
here you have the big delusion that fools the whole world, and have made almost all ppl atheist today.
 
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Our time frame and His are not the same, which leads me to believe that NO MATTER WHAT is ever carbon dated, dug up, "scientifically proven" etc etc etc......... only God knows how old or young the universe and everything in it is and that to spend our lifetime in debates over it is useless.
The problem is the foolish intention of men to want interpreting things of God not by the Spirit of God, but by man's spirit, can it? The difference of spirit is immeasurable. God is Spirit - God is Light - among other Great qualifications, and He has not beginning, nor ending, He is from everlasting to everlasting. So, the human thoughts using scientific theories is irrelevant for understandimg not only God's creation, but also on times He applies in His works. As is written,"what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God". And more: It is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him.

How can man understand God's creation and times that He established FIRST for His own use, and after for man's use?

That said, about Creation, how could the spirit of man to understand the things created by God, once the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear? How could man explain things which are seen, once they were not made of things which do appear?

As you said in your post, "to spend our lifetime in debates over it is useless". You are right, "for the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned".
However, to understand the works and creation of God it is possible exclusively by revelation and by the gift of faith given by God to the believers.
For example,about the biblical difference of the times which is used by God,in His own use, and the times used by men-the calendar-.
The Word of God - the Word is God - left this difference very very clear, when He speaks in man's language, which is different of course when He speaks of times of His own use.

For examples, God said unto JESUS, and JESUS said unto His angel, and the angel said unto John, that the Beast with seven heads and ten horns, will open his MOUTH in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven, and was given unto the Beast a MOUTH speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Now, now, here God is speaking in human language (1.260 days or three years and half in man's calendar)

Other example: God said through the prophet Daniel in human language: Daniel 12:v.11-12
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.


Around 200 years before, Isaiah prophesied in figurative language evidently or indirectly, the captivity of Israel for 70 years (Isaiah 23:v.15-17). Jeremiah also prophesied: 25:v.11-13 and also 29:v.10 - 10 For thus saith the Lord, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

Daniel 9:v.1-2
1 - In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;
2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books(plural) - by the book of Isaiah and Jeremiah - the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

In the examples above, God speaks in human language for good understanding of those to whom the Word of God was adressed.


But in Genesis 1, the Days that were mentioned in accord the revelation God did give to Moses around 2.500 years after Adam, these Days have nothing to do with human 24hours day, absolutely.

Seven Days are 7 Millenniuns, or 7.000 years in human language or human calendar, i.e. a thousand years for each Day.

By the way, who wants to believe, believe, we just entered in the beginning of the first century of the seventh Day, the last Day, the Millennium of Christ, the Lord's Day. As it is written, who has an ear, let him hears what the Spirit says to the Churches. Will be that nobody here hears what the Spirit of God says to the Churches about times, in accord His Word? Or has heard only in accord man's spirit?
 
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If there's a 13.8 billion years ago, it means there was 0 time (when the big bang happened supposedly)
Did darkness and silence exist from that moment onward?
I'm sure that the number is not accurate (13,8 billion years ago), but the common man believes it could be, for the gods of this world have blinded the minds of them which believe in them, them which trie to plagiarize the science of the Most High and Almighty God, but the best of their conceptions in this field is nothing more than foolish conjectures and deceitful theories.

What I must say is that the age of the Earth is much much more than that. I’m sure that the age pointed in your post is the maximum limit that man-made scientific apparatus or measuring equipment is able to measure, so it has nothing to do with the age of the Earth;

For to measure the age of the Earth the scientists need to invent a scientific apparatus more qualified and able to measure beyond of what has been measured to this date, for examaples 20, 50, 100, 500 billion of years. I think that they will never do it for two reasons:

1 - for lack of adequate material and measuring equipment to measure the age of the planet Earth;

2 - They will not have time to do it, the Devil's world will end sooner.
 

Dino246

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I'm sure that the number is not accurate (13,8 billion years ago), but the common man believes it could be, for the gods of this world have blinded the minds of them which believe in them, them which trie to plagiarize the science of the Most High and Almighty God, but the best of their conceptions in this field is nothing more than foolish conjectures and deceitful theories.

What I must say is that the age of the Earth is much much more than that. I’m sure that the age pointed in your post is the maximum limit that man-made scientific apparatus or measuring equipment is able to measure, so it has nothing to do with the age of the Earth;

For to measure the age of the Earth the scientists need to invent a scientific apparatus more qualified and able to measure beyond of what has been measured to this date, for examaples 20, 50, 100, 500 billion of years. I think that they will never do it for two reasons:

1 - for lack of adequate material and measuring equipment to measure the age of the planet Earth;

2 - They will not have time to do it, the Devil's world will end sooner.
It is simply impossible to "measure" time in the past... until and unless someone figures out how to go backward in time.
 

Dino246

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The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God, and refutes Him.
Yawn. Try coming up with a rational response instead of hyper-spiritual hogwash. Your spiritual arrogance is disgusting.
 
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If the age of universe is 6000 years, then ...
The age of Universe is not only and only 6.000 years, it's a ridiculous assertion, not it is only and only 13,8 billion of years, this also is ridiculous.

6000 years or 6 millenniums refer to the period of God's work for the restoration of all things destroyed by Satan in Eden.

Acts 3:v.19-26

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the
presence of the Lord.

20 And He - God the Father - shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these DAYS.

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26 Unto you first God, having raised up His Son Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
 
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It is simply impossible to "measure" time in the past... until and unless someone figures out how to go backward in time.
I'm sure that the number is not accurate (13,8 billion years ago), but the common man believes it could be, for the gods of this world have blinded the minds of them which believe in them, them which trie to plagiarize the science of the Most High and Almighty God, but the best of their conceptions in this field is nothing more than foolish conjectures and deceitful theories.
 
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Yawn. Try coming up with a rational response instead of hyper-spiritual hogwash. Your spiritual arrogance is disgusting.
The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God, and refutes Him.
 

Dino246

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The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God, and refutes Him.
Has it ever occurred to you that you're not the only Christian around here?

Give up the arrogant insults, or I will have to conclude that, because of the lack of spiritual fruit evident in your interaction with me, that you do not have the Spirit of God in you.
 

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Morning and evening simply mean the end of one phase/era and the beginning of another time period. The length of a 'day' can be anything from a few hours or until the end of an age.

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yôm
yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.
Total KJV occurrences: 2295


The days of creation are counted as ''Day One'', ''Day Two'' etc. In the original language of Hebrew, it is also the same in the Septuagint in Greek, because that is how the Jews count the days of the week.

There is no legitimate reason to claim that the "days" in either Gen. 1 or 2 are not literal 24-hour days. That they definitely are is proven by the fact that each of the days has an "evening and morning," and by the statements in Exodus 20:9-11 & Exodus 31:16-17 that God created everything "in six days," given as the reason Israel was to observe the "seventh day" as the Sabbath. Since the context is clearly about the literal days of the week, these passages make no sense unless the creation account describes literal 24-hour days.
 

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The days of creation are counted as ''Day One'', ''Day Two'' etc. In the original language of Hebrew, it is also the same in the Septuagint in Greek, because that is how the Jews count the days of the week.

There is no legitimate reason to claim that the "days" in either Gen. 1 or 2 are not literal 24-hour days. That they definitely are is proven by the fact that each of the days has an "evening and morning," and by the statements in Exodus 20:9-11 & Exodus 31:16-17 that God created everything "in six days," given as the reason Israel was to observe the "seventh day" as the Sabbath. Since the context is clearly about the literal days of the week, these passages make no sense unless the creation account describes literal 24-hour days.
You are talking total nonsense. The universe did not take its present form in 168 earth hours. Yome (Day) means a period of time, and evening/morning mark the beginning and ending of each era.

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יוֹם
yôm
yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.
Total KJV occurrences: 2295