Born Again Speaking in Tongues

[garee]

According to scripture everyone MUST be water baptized in Jesus' name

Or else they will not get WET?

Or else they are not shown as having a desire to show a person wants to be a member of the new order of a Kingdom of priest, as ambassadors for Christ not of here. But of the heavenly Jerusalem. baptized in the different names as purposes that mean God (one) A kingdom of priests priest and obey the commandment to bring out the gospel in a hope the authority of God the hearing of faith will give a new spirit life that will never die.

Its what the discussion was all about in John 3:25-26. Water baptism an old testament ceremonial law . Ceremonial substance .H20 is to represent the doctrine of God that fall like the rain of the gospel like living water falling on the hearts of men .

No such thing as a sign gift , sign metaphor yes. Chasing shadows, no. Spiritual gifts not seen, yes.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This Salvation by water baptism nonsense is worse that saying one must speak in tongues to be saved.

Do not these false teachers realise their faith is in their water baptism and the way they were baptised and Not Christ itself.

It is sad!!

 

[Wansvic]

you are celebrating with the Catholics every time you insist water baptism saves

I don't suppose you read even a part of the article I quoted

it delivers the truth about your beliefs and how they actually go back to the beginnings of Catholicism

as usual, you are quoting scripture that has nothing to do with the subject of water baptism

it further shows how confused your theology on this matter is. however it isn't actually yours. you would agree with the Pope it seems

The truth of my belief actually goes back to the apostolic era. Water baptism was a consistent component seen in the beginnings of the NT church. Catholicism is where the use of the titles of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost during water baptism began. Those who would not accept the "new" way of baptizing were persecuted. Unfortunately, now it is a commonly held tradition wherein many comply.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ps. John 3 has NOTHING to do wth water baptism. The word baptism is NOT EVEN MENTIONED BY JESUS ONCE. You would think if water baptism was so important Jesus would not forget to mention the fact, when he TOLD NICODEMUS how to be born again, That because God loved the world so much and gave his son. Whoever Believed AND IS BAPTIZED will never perish but HAS eternal life.

What is even sadder. Is those professing salvation by immersion do not even believe eternal life is given the moment one is born again, They think that life can be lost. Hence it is NOT eternal. So again, Calling God a liar.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The truth of my belief actually goes back to the apostolic era. Water baptism was a consistent component seen in the beginnings of the NT church. Catholicism is where the use of the titles of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost during water baptism began. Those who would not accept the "new" way of baptizing were persecuted. Unfortunately, now it is a commonly held tradition wherein many comply.

following is sourced from 'The Berean Call'

Christ commanded His original disciples to go into all the world and preach the gospel (Mk 16:15). Those of every nation who believed in Christ as their Savior were to be baptized "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Mat:28:19
). These new disciples were to preach the gospel everywhere and to baptize those who believed (v 20) through their testimony as Christianity spread worldwide.

Baptism in the early church was by immersion: "they went down both into the water....[W]hen they were come up out of the water" (Acts:8:38-39
), etc. Why? Because baptism symbolizes the believer's identification with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection: "we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead...we also should walk in newness of life" (Rom:6:4
).

Unfortunately, various innovations and heresies were gradually introduced regarding baptism: that one must be baptized to be saved; indeed, that baptism itself saves the soul even when administered to infants. These heresies became known as the doctrine of baptismal regeneration. Most Protestants holding these beliefs today are not aware that they originated with the Roman Catholic Church in the Middle Ages.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The truth of my belief actually goes back to the apostolic era. Water baptism was a consistent component seen in the beginnings of the NT church. Catholicism is where the use of the titles of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost during water baptism began. Those who would not accept the "new" way of baptizing were persecuted. Unfortunately, now it is a commonly held tradition wherein many comply.

Your believe was not preached by any aposte. You refuse to look up what the words actually said in the greek. Your using an english text to support your works. Self righteous gospel Not the word of God itself.

So I suggest you stop judging other people my friend.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The truth of my belief actually goes back to the apostolic era. Water baptism was a consistent component seen in the beginnings of the NT church. Catholicism is where the use of the titles of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost during water baptism began. Those who would not accept the "new" way of baptizing were persecuted. Unfortunately, now it is a commonly held tradition wherein many comply.

here again for your education:

Baptism as a part of salvation is a CATHOLIC teaching

The Council of Trent (1545-63) stated that while Christ "merited for us justification by His most holy passion...the instrumental cause [of justification/regeneration] is the sacrament of baptism....If anyone says that baptism is...not necessary for salvation, let him be anathema."1 Vatican II (1962-65) reconfirms all of Trent2 and reiterates the necessity of baptism for salvation,3 as does the universal Catechism of the Catholic Church released by the Vatican in 1993: "Baptism is necessary for salvation...the Church does not know of any [other] means...that assures entry into eternal beatitude...." 4

Trent anathematizes all who deny that "the merit of Jesus Christ is applied...to infants by the sacrament of baptism" or who deny that by baptism "the guilt of original sin is remitted...." 5 Today's Code of Canon Law (Canon 849) declares that those baptized are thereby "freed from their sins, are reborn as children of God and... incorporated in the Church." Canon 204 states, "The Christian faithful are those who...have been incorporated in Christ through baptism" and are thereby members of the one, true Catholic Church.6

source

and I know 'Catholic' means 'universal' so don't quip and tell me that it is meant in that sense when it obviously is not meant in that sense

 

[Wansvic]

again, that scripture does not make your case

typical of your posts though

So Jesus stating that a name was to be used and every actual recording of a water baptism in the word shows the use of Jesus' name does not point one to the truth? interesting.
Jesus stated to baptize in the name of... Thus making a distinction between using a title(s) and a name.

listen, I plainly said in my post...not addressed to you...that I am baptized

you would not approve however because it was not in Jesus name only. however, it was done in accordance with Jesus' words so I am not going to worry over the fact you believe otherwise

Jesus said God is His Father....and in fact the Father called Jesus His Son when Jesus was baptized and the Holy Spirit is also called the Holy Spirit in scripture

you do understand that your teaching is considered to be a different gospel?

have you considered the fact that Jesus did not raise Himself from the dead?

11 The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you. Romans 8:11

so there we have the Spirit of God raising Jesus from the dead

ALL THREE

whatcha gonna do about it?

folks...read your Bibles so that you do not fall for this oneness baptize in Jesus name only.

You asked the following question as well and I provided the word that expressed the answer.
"have you considered the fact that Jesus did not raise Himself from the dead?"

Jesus was God in the flesh therefore He could make the following comment to the Jews:

Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

But he spake of the temple of his body. John 2:19-21

 

[Wansvic]

yes

you should TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC

you are so divisive and disoriented that you have forgotten the actual op

it's not about baptism. that. is what you have turned it in to

ACTUAL OP:

Born Again Speaking in Tongues

maybe you should give swimming lessons

You know my comment was in answer to your question concerning water baptism in this thread. And because I prove my point which you conveniently modify you resort to rudeness. Sadly, trying to have a cordial discussion with you is useless.

 

[garee]

This Salvation by water baptism nonsense is worse that saying one must speak in tongues to be saved.

Do not these false teachers realise their faith is in their water baptism and the way they were baptised and Not Christ itself.

It is sad!!

Its the same manner of spirit (not of God)

 

[garee]

You know my comment was in answer to your question concerning water baptism in this thread. And because I prove my point which you conveniently modify you resort to rudeness. Sadly, trying to have a cordial discussion with you is useless.

I would think if a person pours water on another they Must get wet ? What happens when it MUST dry up? More water?

Jump into the discussion brother. . Its not a salvation matter. Its more about the doctrines of God, the living water of the word that falls like rain as the showers upon the grass used to represent the hearts of men .It is how the Holy Spirit not seen helps us to see the eternal using the temporal to give us the hidden understanding. (2 Corinthian 4:18 )

Deuteronomy 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

 

[Wansvic]

Please stay on topic she says after diverting this thread and several others to the point she does not even know it is not about baptism

you can't make this stuff up

My comment about staying on topic was regarding your personal comments. The fact is I initially responded to a comment about water baptism being considered legalistic.

 

[Wansvic]

you dodge anything you cannot answer or do not want to answer

you do that consistently while telling others that they are not displaying the fruit of the Holy Spirit

what you do is not honest. but we should just excuse you while you tell others which way is up

really hypocritical IMO

I did in fact answer CS1. I have no reason to avoid answering questions.

 

[Wansvic]

you are teaching basic Catholicism 101

baptize and have your sins forgiven

NOT the gospel, but a man made doctrine that seems to have become more important to you than Jesus actually dying on the cross

it's unbelievable !

No one is saying that baptism is more important than Jesus' sacrifice. Without Jesus' sacrifice all would still be lost, there would be no way for man to return to God. God is the one who created the need for water baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Footprint]

you are teaching basic Catholicism 101

baptize and have your sins forgiven

NOT the gospel, but a man made doctrine that seems to have become more important to you than Jesus actually dying on the cross

it's unbelievable !

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water(G5204) and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

G5204
ὕδωρ / ὕδατος
hudōr / hudatos
Thayer Definition:
1) water
1a) of water in rivers, in fountains, in pools
1b) of the water of the deluge
1c) of water in any of the earth’s repositories
1d) of water as the primary element, out of and through which the world that was before the deluge, arose and was compacted
1e) of the waves of the sea
1f) fig. used of many peoples
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: genitive case, hudatos, etc., from the base of G5205
Citing in TDNT: 8:314, 1203

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

G5204
ὕδωρ / ὕδατος
hudōr / hudatos
Thayer Definition:
1) water
1a) of water in rivers, in fountains, in pools
1b) of the water of the deluge
1c) of water in any of the earth’s repositories
1d) of water as the primary element, out of and through which the world that was before the deluge, arose and was compacted
1e) of the waves of the sea
1f) fig. used of many peoples
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: genitive case, hudatos, etc., from the base of G5205
Citing in TDNT: 8:314, 1203

Is it just me, or does anyone else see the word “baptism” missing from this passage?

It says Jesus came by water and blood. Did He speak of baptism? Or was it speaking of the water and blood which poured out of his body when the roman pierced his side with a sword (proving he was dead?)

 

[7seasrekeyed]

No one is saying that baptism is more important than Jesus' sacrifice. Without Jesus' sacrifice all would still be lost, there would be no way for man to return to God. God is the one who created the need for water baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

you are saying that Jesus' sacrifice was not enough

by adding water baptism as part of salvation and mistakenly teaching that water washes away sin...while the Bible states ONLY the blood of Christ washes away sin...you are creating an error that makes Jesus sacrifice insufficient

you say one thing and then create half a dozen posts stating if you are not baptized, you are not saved

you are saying two different things and who do you think you are fooling here?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You know my comment was in answer to your question concerning water baptism in this thread. And because I prove my point which you conveniently modify you resort to rudeness. Sadly, trying to have a cordial discussion with you is useless.

no. I don't know that at all. what I do know, is that you have taken every opportunity to discuss your error concerning baptismal regeneration

honestly you just cannot be up front about things

get outta here with your sadly nonsense. you are just putting on airs

which fruit is that? it stinketh

 

[7seasrekeyed]

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water(G5204) and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

G5204
ὕδωρ / ὕδατος
hudōr / hudatos
Thayer Definition:
1) water
1a) of water in rivers, in fountains, in pools
1b) of the water of the deluge
1c) of water in any of the earth’s repositories
1d) of water as the primary element, out of and through which the world that was before the deluge, arose and was compacted
1e) of the waves of the sea
1f) fig. used of many peoples
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: genitive case, hudatos, etc., from the base of G5205
Citing in TDNT: 8:314, 1203

fail

 

[7seasrekeyed]

No one is saying that baptism is more important than Jesus' sacrifice. Without Jesus' sacrifice all would still be lost, there would be no way for man to return to God. God is the one who created the need for water baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

well hello no one