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The Spirit of Christ is the new birth. And certainly is Holy. Jesus breathing life into His disciples. Without which none can be saved said Paul. Then Jesus tells them to wait for the power. That’s the baptism of Holy Spirit.
This is what Jesus received at His water baptism, and He has given us the pattern of Sonship.
This is what Jesus received at His water baptism, and He has given us the pattern of Sonship.
Whats with Thomas and Matthias ( which was not selectet to this time) They were not there when Jesus breathing "live" in his disciples.
The Lord told the disciples to not leave Jerusalem until they were endowed with power from on high (Acts 1:8). Why would it be different for His disciples of today? Being baptized in The Holy Spirit is this gift that enables us to do the ministry and greater works. Praying in the Holy Spirit (tongues) makes us far more sensitive to God and to the spiritual needs of those around us. Our personal prayer language strengthens us, builds us up in our faith, and increases our experience and expression of The Love of God (Jude 1:20)
At some point we all repent, turn to God in faith for forgiveness of sin and receive the truth of redemption through the Son of God. The “seed” lifes or illuminates our spirit. The Word. This is the new birth. But, the baptism is the second work which can occur separately from the new birth or simultaneously. Receiving the dunamis power of Holy Spirit and the gifts to minister as Jesus did. Tongues is the language of our Spiritual man. Spirit life is primary.
Ask, seek, knock.
You poo the very will of God for His body.
And I am done with you until you repent from this wickedness.
Excuse me, i did not recognise that i wrote that
This was never my purpose. And is also not my language.
The text I wrote is direct under wordsone post.
Yes, these Gentiles in Acts 10:43-47 clearly believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were saved BEFORE receiving water baptism. Before these Gentiles were water baptized they had already "received" the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:47). In view of this, there are three passages that demonstrate they were already saved BEFORE receiving water baptism.
Romans 8:9 - But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. If one has the Holy Spirit they "belong" to Christ. To belong to Christ does not describe the condition of a lost unbeliever but a saved believer - such was the case of these Gentiles BEFORE they were water baptized.
Galatians 4:6 - And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!" God sent the Holy Spirit into their hearts whereby they can now rightly refer to God as "Abba! Father!" This does not describe the condition of a lost unbeliever but a saved believer - such was the case of these Gentiles BEFORE they were water baptized.
1 John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. Because these Gentiles had received the Holy Spirit, they abided in God and God abided in him. To abide in God and to have God abide in you does not describe the condition of a lost unbeliever but a saved believer - such was the case of these Gentiles BEFORE they were water baptized.
The evidence is overwhelming that these Gentles had believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were saved and a part of the body of Christ BEFORE water baptism. Certain Jews may have wanted to forbid them from being baptized because of their unacceptance of these Gentiles, but Peter clearly states that SURELY NO ONE CAN REFUSE. These Gentiles were clearly SAVED BEFORE WATER BAPTISM and the Holy Spirit was proof of this.
In addition to receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, these Gentiles spoke in tongues, which is a spiritual gift that is ONLY for the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12). *Lost unbelievers DO NOT receive the gift of the Holy Spirit or the spiritual gift of tongues.
In regards to baptism in Jesus name, to act by the authority (in the name of) one is to act by the authority (in the name of) the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, for it is the same authority. There are three separate and distinct individuals in the Godhead (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) all of whom authorize the same act in the same way. So "in Jesus' name" is not a formula for what must be specifically stated when baptizing a person. "In Jesus name" simply means by Jesus' authority or power. So to baptize in accordance with Jesus' name is to baptize according to His power or authority, which is the same as baptizing according to the name or authority or power of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. - Matthew 28:18-19.
Oneness Pentecostal theology maintains that baptism must be by immersion using the specific formula "in Jesus name" and not "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" as Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:19. They reject baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit because they reject the Trinity and the words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19.
I was once approached by a Oneness Pentecostal on my mail route who asked me if I was a Christian and when I said yes, she then asked me if I was baptized in "Jesus name only" and when I said I was baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, she explained to me that my baptism was invalid and she instructed me to go home and read Acts 2:38 and be sure to get re-baptized in "Jesus name only" and implied that if I don't, then I won't be saved. Now that is getting into legalism!
Having a walk where signs and wonders manifest is not seeking a sign.
No more than turning my truck's steering wheel would be seeking after a steering wheel.
Ok. Mistakes like that can happen and it doesn’t sound like you, I agree. No problem.
YOU did not answer my question and you are being dishonest.
Can one have the Holy Spirit and not be saved Yes or no.
this is wrong The Septuagint was the Old Testament written in Greek that is it. To suggest that Jesus read from that is ridiculous
most scholars today believe, Jesus spoke primarily in Aramaic, and HEwas raise Jewish not and that would not be Greek-speaking Jew.
what did they read in the synagogues? The answer is that he likely heard Scripture read in Hebrew and occasionally in Greek, and then paraphrased and interpreted in Aramaic. Jesus would not have had as much influence if HE was a Greek Speaking Jew. And Jesus was God so he clearly knew all languages too.
I could have not said it better myself. Yes I agree with your Biblical explanation.Yes, these Gentiles in Acts 10:43-47 clearly believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were saved BEFORE receiving water baptism. Before these Gentiles were water baptized they had already "received" the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:47). In view of this, there are three passages that demonstrate they were already saved BEFORE receiving water baptism.
Romans 8:9 - But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. If one has the Holy Spirit they "belong" to Christ. To belong to Christ does not describe the condition of a lost unbeliever but a saved believer - such was the case of these Gentiles BEFORE they were water baptized.
Galatians 4:6 - And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!" God sent the Holy Spirit into their hearts whereby they can now rightly refer to God as "Abba! Father!" This does not describe the condition of a lost unbeliever but a saved believer - such was the case of these Gentiles BEFORE they were water baptized.
1 John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. Because these Gentiles had received the Holy Spirit, they abided in God and God abided in him. To abide in God and to have God abide in you does not describe the condition of a lost unbeliever but a saved believer - such was the case of these Gentiles BEFORE they were water baptized.
The evidence is overwhelming that these Gentles had believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were saved and a part of the body of Christ BEFORE water baptism. Certain Jews may have wanted to forbid them from being baptized because of their unacceptance of these Gentiles, but Peter clearly states that SURELY NO ONE CAN REFUSE. These Gentiles were clearly SAVED BEFORE WATER BAPTISM and the Holy Spirit was proof of this.
In addition to receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, these Gentiles spoke in tongues, which is a spiritual gift that is ONLY for the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12). *Lost unbelievers DO NOT receive the gift of the Holy Spirit or the spiritual gift of tongues.
In regards to baptism in Jesus name, to act by the authority (in the name of) one is to act by the authority (in the name of) the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, for it is the same authority. There are three separate and distinct individuals in the Godhead (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) all of whom authorize the same act in the same way. So "in Jesus' name" is not a formula for what must be specifically stated when baptizing a person. "In Jesus name" simply means by Jesus' authority or power. So to baptize in accordance with Jesus' name is to baptize according to His power or authority, which is the same as baptizing according to the name or authority or power of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. - Matthew 28:18-19.
Oneness Pentecostal theology maintains that baptism must be by immersion using the specific formula "in Jesus name" and not "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" as Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:19. They reject baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit because they reject the Trinity and the words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19.
I was once approached by a Oneness Pentecostal on my mail route who asked me if I was a Christian and when I said yes, she then asked me if I was baptized in "Jesus name only" and when I said I was baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, she explained to me that my baptism was invalid and she instructed me to go home and read Acts 2:38 and be sure to get re-baptized in "Jesus name only" and implied that if I don't, then I won't be saved. Now that is getting into legalism!
I have not been dishonest. I have stated a number of times that one MUST repent, get water baptized in Jesus' name and receive the Holy Spirit in order to be saved.
The same thing phrased a different way would be the person would not be saved if all of the instructions were not followed.
God is God. And throughout His word disobedience to His commands result in dire consequences.
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how about adding to His word as you are doing with your obsession concerning baptism?
I am saved, baptized and speak in tongues and manifest certain gifts of the Spirit
am I no longer saved because I do not agree with you on your baptism interpretation?
according to you, probably not
what a ridiculous belief you have going on
you do not have 'dibs' on God. you state 'God is God'...what does that even mean?
it's the same like saying you are you. the double affirmative does nothing to add to truth nor does it impact the statement
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7seasrekeyed
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so really, you are saying that if the order you believe to be the 'godly' order is not followed the person is not saved
really sister, this is nonsensical when the Bible clearly clearly shows no distinctive order for salvation other than we always begin by
acknowledging Christ as our Savior and accept His atoning death on the cross
Only the blood of Jesus gives remission for sins. soap and water make you clean on the outside but you know what Jesus said about whitewashed tombs, eh?
you are quick to point out all that you call 'spiritual', and the Bible does declare we must be reborn (spiritual) but that is by the Spirit of God and not a pond in the backyard
so how is it you go from 'spiritual' to 'physical' in one breath and do not even bat an eye, even though they are not the same thing?
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If you have been filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues BUT have not yet been water baptized having the Name of Jesus pronounced over you, then you would simply complete your new birth and be baptized.
Please NOTE we can receive the Holy Ghost before or after baptism but never before repentance.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized(G907) shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Thayer Definition:
G907 - baptizō
1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe
-Thank you.