posthuman,: "you miss the point. your stated point with this thread, in post #1, is that talking about this is literally more useful than talking about the Bible or the gospel for purposes of evangelizing."
I have spent months witnessing to the Gospel in the streets and door to door. Have you? so how many souls have you won to Christ? You obviously fail to recognize the role of pre-evangelism in saving the lost. Sharing about NDEs and ADCs opens skeptical minds about the reality of an afterlife and prepares the heart to hear biblical truth, which they would otherwise dismiss without an honest hearing. The evidence for an afterlife from NDEs and ADCs is superior to the evidence for Christ's resurrection; an precisely for that reason it opens minds to the evidence for eyewitness testimonies to Christ's resurrection.
posthuman: "however a man who is unquestionably immersed in it and has made it his career, to no small gain of earthly riches,
So you reject Billy Graham's role as the most prolific soul winner in history simply because the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association took in a lot of money? Moody was a philosophy professor and a doctor; professors and doctors make money just as authors do. You are offering a lame excuse to divert attention away from the actual case histories Moody documents.
posthuman: "he [Moody)...mocks 'fundies..."
Again you pontificate from abysmal ignorance and have probably read none of Moody's books. Quote Moody mocking Fundamentalist
What you don't get is:
(1) Even biblical revelation is shaped by contemporary culture and cannot be understood apart from it.
(2) The pleasant nature of NDEs does not signify the patients' ultimate destiny. Swedenborg was the greatest explorer of the heavens and hells of all time and no one has produced verifications superior to his, and yet, he insists that after the dying are taken to Paradise and revel in its beauty, many of them nevertheless ultimately wind up in Hell!
posthuman: "this man [Dr. Raymond Moody) is the epitome of your argument, yet he is the antithesis of your conclusion. how is that? "
Fundamentalists like you love to pontificate from ignorance. You clearly have neither carefully read my case histories nor watched the posted videos. If you had, you would realize that Moody's cases amount to a trivial proportion of the evidence, much of which is collected from Christians who have had NDEs and ADCs and from unbelievers who are converted through their NDEs. Do you actually believe that Satan wants to encourage skeptics to become born again Christians?
posthuman: "i continue to pray for whatever people you have 'shepherded' in your life."
That patronizing comment betrays your bitterness at the unbelievers I have influenced to consider or embrace the Gospel by discussing paranormal evidence for an after life such as that provided by NDEs and ADCs.
I have spent months witnessing to the Gospel in the streets and door to door. Have you? so how many souls have you won to Christ? You obviously fail to recognize the role of pre-evangelism in saving the lost. Sharing about NDEs and ADCs opens skeptical minds about the reality of an afterlife and prepares the heart to hear biblical truth, which they would otherwise dismiss without an honest hearing. The evidence for an afterlife from NDEs and ADCs is superior to the evidence for Christ's resurrection; an precisely for that reason it opens minds to the evidence for eyewitness testimonies to Christ's resurrection.
posthuman: "however a man who is unquestionably immersed in it and has made it his career, to no small gain of earthly riches,
So you reject Billy Graham's role as the most prolific soul winner in history simply because the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association took in a lot of money? Moody was a philosophy professor and a doctor; professors and doctors make money just as authors do. You are offering a lame excuse to divert attention away from the actual case histories Moody documents.
posthuman: "he [Moody)...mocks 'fundies..."
Again you pontificate from abysmal ignorance and have probably read none of Moody's books. Quote Moody mocking Fundamentalist
What you don't get is:
(1) Even biblical revelation is shaped by contemporary culture and cannot be understood apart from it.
(2) The pleasant nature of NDEs does not signify the patients' ultimate destiny. Swedenborg was the greatest explorer of the heavens and hells of all time and no one has produced verifications superior to his, and yet, he insists that after the dying are taken to Paradise and revel in its beauty, many of them nevertheless ultimately wind up in Hell!
posthuman: "this man [Dr. Raymond Moody) is the epitome of your argument, yet he is the antithesis of your conclusion. how is that? "
Fundamentalists like you love to pontificate from ignorance. You clearly have neither carefully read my case histories nor watched the posted videos. If you had, you would realize that Moody's cases amount to a trivial proportion of the evidence, much of which is collected from Christians who have had NDEs and ADCs and from unbelievers who are converted through their NDEs. Do you actually believe that Satan wants to encourage skeptics to become born again Christians?
posthuman: "i continue to pray for whatever people you have 'shepherded' in your life."
That patronizing comment betrays your bitterness at the unbelievers I have influenced to consider or embrace the Gospel by discussing paranormal evidence for an after life such as that provided by NDEs and ADCs.
