Mark of the beast!

cc4 · May 21, 2019

Some thoughts about the Mark of the beasts.

The mark is not physical. Everybody from year 70 when the book of revelation was written have been able to take the mark. Its a spiritual mark that allows the servants of Yahooah (God) to differentiate between believers and non-believers or the righteous and the wicked.

Matthew 13 clearly teaches that there are only 2 groups of humans on earth, and that Yahoosha (Jesus) will return to save the righteous and destroy the wicked, at THE LAST DAY. The wicked include all people from all nations who refuse to humble themselves and obey the Creators Law, more commonly known as the 10 commandments.

The beast system described in biblical prophecy is ANY & ALL political systems whereby the inhabitants of the earth are deceived to believe anything other than Yahooahs Word as truth. All deception is simply a variation of the original deception which led to sin in eden when eve was deceived by satan whilst adam believed eve.

The last greatest deception perpetrated upon humanity is to have a world politcal system which puposely ignores the Creators instructions regarding His Holy Days. Instead we have a worldwide politcal system which has embraced the reincarnated julian calendar which is more commonly known as the gregorian calendar. This image of the beast speaks to all followers worldwide telling them when to work, rest, and worship, thus defying the Law of Yahooah. Its order and names of months, order of weeks and names of days defies all of Yahooahs clear instructions for time keeping. Even the jews allowed their calendar system to be changed back inthe 4th century under leadership of hillel II, so that the only evidence of the creators calendar remains in His Word as revealed through the Holy Scriptures.

The current gregorian calendar is filled with tributes to pagan gods as months and days bear their names. Remember what Joshua said in 23:7 Do not associate with these nations that remain among you; DO NOT INVOKE THE NAMES OF THEIR gods or swear by them. You must not serve them or bow down to them. Exodus 23:13 "Be careful to do everything I have said to you.DO NOT INVOKE THE NAMES OF OTHER gods; do not let them be HEARD FROM YOUR LIPS.

So the deception already exists in the very names, but not only have the names been changed, but the days have also been manipulated so that its impossible to say that saturday is the sabbath or friday or sunday - its both all of these days and yet none! Look closely at the warnign given in Revelation 13:16 It also CAUSES all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they SHOULD NOT BE ABLE to BUY or SELL unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

When shouldn't believers be able to BUY or SELL?

Neh 10:31 "When the neighboring peoples bring merchandise or grain to SELL on the Sabbath, we will not BUY from them on the Sabbath or on ANY HOLY DAY. Every seventh year we will forgo working the land and will cancel all debts.

Nehemiah 13:15 In those days I saw people in Judah treading winepresses on the Sabbath and bringing in grain and loading it on donkeys, together with wine, grapes, figs and all other kinds of loads. And they were bringing all this into Jerusalem on the Sabbath. Therefore I warned them against SELLING food on that day. 16 Also men of Tyre were living there who imported fish and all kinds of merchandise, and SOLD them to the sons of Judah on the SABBATH, even in Jerusalem.… 17 Then I reprimanded the nobles of Judah and said to them, "What is this evil thing you are doing, by PROFANING THE SABBATH DAY?…

People who profane the Sabbath or any Holy Day by BUYING & SELLING are breaking Gods 4th Commandment to humanity of observing His Sabbaths and keeping them Holy. Thus anyone who disobeys the Word of the living God receives the mark of the beast, as the Holy Spirit is withdrawn from their lives. Those who remain faithful to the teaching of Christ and believe in Him will continue to remain sealed as promised in Eph 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit. Now compare this with Rev 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep His commands and remain faithful to Christ.

How do we avoid receiving the mark of the beast? By remaining obedient to our Creator who says this in Eze 46:1 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: The gate of the inner court facing east is to be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day and on the day of the New Moon it is to be opened. 3 On the Sabbaths and New Moons the people of the land are to worship in the presence of the Lord at the entrance of that gateway.

We are to worhsip our Creator on His New Moon & Sabbath Days in accordance with His calendar which He established at creation in Gen 1:14 And Yahooah said, "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years. Why can;t the gregorian calendar be the right calendar system? Because New Moon Days can fall on working days or Sabbath Days, but Ezekiel 46 says that they are separate days.

Did Yahoosha confirm this Law during His time on earth? Yes, despite healing several people on the Holy Days, Yahoosha was adamant that believers were not permitted to BUY or SELL as shown in Matthew 21:12 Yahoosha entered the temple courts and drove out all who were BUYING and SELLING there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.

People were only allowed into the temple to worhsip on Yahooahs Holy Days, and they were not permitted to BUY & SELL on His Holy Days. John describes this in better detail:- John 2:13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Yahoosha went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father's house into a market!"

Yahoosha took the time to make a whip of cords and then to drive out all who were BUYING & SELLING in the temple on His Holy Day, was a clear warning to all believers who would come to the ONE FAITH in the ONE LORD thereafter. Even after Yahoosha death, scripture records the apostles and disciples continuing to observe Yahooahs Lev 23 Holy Days as a sign of respect for their Creator.

The prophet Hosea describes our current pitiful situation the best when he penned:- Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; BECAUSE YOU HAVE IGNORED THE LAW OF YAHOOAH, I also will ignore your children.

They did use the Luni-Sun Callendar in those days and whitout it you cant find the true sabbath!

tourist · May 21, 2019

There are numerous threads on this topic along with threads on the Sabbath already in play. Glad to have you join us. Welcome to CC.

crossnote · May 21, 2019

cc4 said:

I guess our hands and forehead are not physical either...

Revelation 13:16 KJVS
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Revelation 14:9-10 KJVS
[9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

TheDivineWatermark · May 21, 2019

Romans 7:1-4 -

1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead [/were made dead/have been put to death] to the law by [means of] the body of Christ; that [for] ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, [in order] that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

eternally-gratefull · May 21, 2019

One should be careful when trying to symbolize prophesy.

Prophesy is given to give hope and confort to those when the prophesy is fulfilled. And also to prove to those who do not know God even more proof he is God. Because only God can declair things thousands of yearw in advance, and those things literally come true.

By the way Welcome to CC!!

Nehemiah6 · May 21, 2019

cc4 said:

You start off by contradicting Scripture. So why bother?

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (Rev 13:16,17)

Since the right hand and the forehead are PHYSICAL then the mark is also physical. Either a tattoo or an electronic chip implanted under the skin. So on what grounds do you make a remark like the one above?

Ahwatukee · May 21, 2019

cc4 said:

Greetings CC4!

First of all, it is "Yeshua" not Yahooah. And second, John was banished to the isle of Patmos during Domitian's reign, which was from 81 - 96 A.D. And thirdly, the mark of the beast is a future event, where the mark will replace all other forms of buying and selling, whether cash and checks or electronically. Regarding this, for some time now we have had this electronic crediting and debiting system in place, which will continue to evolve leading up to the revealing of that antichrist/beast. Therefore, whatever the mark/device evolves into, what will remain consistent is that it will go on/in the physical hand or the forehead. There is nothing in the context that would have the reader look for anything other than a literal meaning. To apply a spiritual or figurative meaning would be by pure conjecture.

There is much more to the law than the ten commandments! As Jesus said Himself, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

So, Jesus fulfilled the law, satisfying it completely and bringing it to its end. Those who are in Christ are not under the law, for the sting of sin is death and the power of sin is the law. Through Christ believers died to the law so that it no longer has power over us.

Scripture would also disagree with your claim above, as the beast also represents an individual living entity, as can be seen from his demise when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age:

"But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on his behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

That both the beast and the false are said to be captured and that they thrown alive into the lake of fire, would demonstrate that they will be living beings.

Again, we are not saved or condemned by not observing holy days, for these are things that have to do with the law, which we are not under.

"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."

The scripture does not pose the question as to "when shouldn't believers be able to buy or sell" but states that anyone who does not have the mark would not be able to buy or sell. In other words, that mark will be the only valid method of performing any type of financial transaction to one's bank account. The mark will be the only means of accessing one's bank account to either credit or debit.

We, the church, will not be here to either receive it or reject it, for the Lord will have already gathered His church prior to the time of His wrath, which is during the time when the mark will become mandatory for buying and selling. However, for those who will be here during that time, the way to avoid receiving it will simply be to not have it put on or in your body and that because it would be aligning one's self with the beast.

Jesus did not drive out those who were selling in the temple courts because it was the Sabbath, but because they were using the temple as a market place for their own prosperity.

My advise to you, is to stop reading all of those Seventh Day Adventist books and study and trust in the word of God.

If the plain, literal meaning makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense

cc4 · May 21, 2019

The book of revelation is written for us all, from 81 - 96 A.D untill now. Not just for us in the last days and it was impossible for the saint under the inquisition to take the mark if it was physical. It is a spirutual mark and the bible even suport it.

2 Timothy 2:19
"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal,
The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that
nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

If you have the seal Yahoosha know you.

Ephesians 1:13
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the
gospel of your salvation: in whom also, after that ye believed, ye
were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise."

When you bleive on him and start following Yahoosha you get sealed whit that Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 5:30
"And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto
the day of redemption. "

You are sealed whit the holy spirit

2 Corinthians 1:21-22
"Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed
us, is God; who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our
hearts."

Once more he seals you whit the Holy Spirit.

John 3:33-34
"He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God
giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him."

When you talk the truth and do hes will you are sealed and recives the Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 9:16
"Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples."

If you are a disciple, you follow hes commandments and is sealed

Job 33:16
"Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,"

He open our ears, and seal the instructions (commandments).

Nehemiah 10:38
"And because of all this we make a sure covenant, and write it; and our princes, Levites, and priests, seal unto it."

Nehemiah 11:1-29
1 Now those that sealed were, Nehemiah, the Tirshatha, the son of Hachaliah, and Zidkijah, etc etc.

"And the rest of the people, the priests, the Levites, the porters,
the singers, the Nethinim, and all they that had separated
themselves from the people of the lands unto the law of God, their
wives, their sons, and their daughters, every one having
knowledge, and having understanding;

they clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse,
and into an oath, to walk in God’s law, which was given by Moses
the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments
of the Lord our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;"

They who are not blind and have understanding keep hes commandments and are sealed.

Revelation 9:3-4
3"And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. "
4"And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed a hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel"

144000 are the nummber of them that are sealed and are witness of Yahooah.

Yes it is a spiritual mark. When you live acording to the commandments and do hes will you are a witness. And when you have
knowledge, and having understanding and follow the commandments you get sealed. When you get Sealed you recive the Holy Spirit.

Waggles · May 21, 2019

cc4 said:

Incorrect.
When you receive the indwelling Holy Spirit with the sign of praying in tongues then you get sealed.

MattforJesus · May 21, 2019

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The mark of the beast is physical, for while they make a conscience decision to go against the truth, the second beast causes them to take the mark for they agree to it, which is put under the skin, forehead, or right hand, for identification of the person, the one world economic system, and to keep track of the citizens of the world to cut down on crime.

The man of sin will claim to be God saying he harnessed the power of nature, and obtained power, evolved, and the second beast will do miracles in the sight of the people to convince them the beast did receive power through nature to be greater, and spiritual, and shared this power with the second beast, and will share this power will all who follow the first beast.

God warns us of the new age movement that has a false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and evolution, and people can still evolve, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process, and love, but not the final teacher, and do not acknowledge a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process.

Which the time will come that they will not endure sound doctrine, but want to hear the Bible according to their own lusts, power through nature to evolve to be greater, and spiritual, the exaltation of themselves, the new age movement interpretation of the Bible.

Which the man of sin, New Age Christ, will not acknowledge the God of his fathers, nor regard any god, but in his estate he shall honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as his higher power.

Which the new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all who do not love God.

The beast's agenda is that there is no personal God to help mankind, and to prosper them, but mankind can achieve peace on earth, and prosper, by their own efforts by their technology, and devices, and they can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual through the power of nature provided by the New Age Christ.

For they believe that Lucifer is a solar angel that descended from Venus to Earth, thus the fall as how they interpret it, not a fall in to sin and disgrace, but a sacrifice on his part, to bring the principle of mind to the then animal-man where they evolved, and will cause them to evolve to be greater, and spiritual, when there is a worldwide effort to work together for peace on earth, when the nations come together to try to establish peace on earth.

The beast does not acknowledge any god, and is of the occult, and evolution, and 666 is the number of a man, a certain man, the man of sin, for the occult believes in the power of numbers, and the adding, grouping, and timing of numbers, for more power, and 6 is the number of a man, so the man of sin assigned the number 666, a triple 6 to himself, because he believes it will give him more power, and power to establish his kingdom, and no foe can stop him.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark of the beast has to do with technology, for it is the beast's agenda that technology can help to achieve peace on earth, which the mark will be a tracking system for humans, the mark linked to satellite, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene, and can find lost people.

With all information about them, including financial records, one world economic system, on the mark, that is more secure, and cannot be lost like a card, which a picture of them will pop up on computer with all information about them.

It is the cutting down on crime, and catching criminals, and finding lost children, is what they will focus on the most in the future, which can be done if the mark is linked to satellite, such as a microchip, to keep track of the citizens of the world, and people are not carrying cash with them anymore, or a credit card.

When they take the mark of the beast they are saying it is all about people that can prosper by their own efforts, and have peace, and be greater, and there is no personal god to help them, and to prosper them, and the mark seals them to where repentance, and salvation, is no longer available to them.

And then God will end this sin business on earth, which He has to do one day, so He is giving the world 7 years to have their way, and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast where Satan can work among the wicked to deceive more than he could in the past.

The mark of the beast is physical, and more than them going against the truth not believing the truth.

dcontroversal · May 21, 2019

crossnote said:

I guess our hands and forehead are not physical either...

Revelation 13:16 KJVS
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Revelation 14:9-10 KJVS
[9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

THIS ^^^^^^^ and I thought Yahoo was an internet search engine..............

Ahwatukee · May 21, 2019

cc4 said:

Since the technology for the mark of the beast has only manifested here during our times, it was meant for the future, not for those when the book of Revelation was written. The key to understanding the chronological order of Revelation is found in Rev.1:19, when John was told to write:

“Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later."

What you have seen = Everything written from 1:1 to 1:19

What is now = Represented by the letters to the seven churches, which also represents the church period

What will take place later = what takes place after the "what is now," i.e. after the church period

That said, we are still under the "what is now" part of what John was told to write. Once the Lord appears in the atmosphere and gathers His church, that will end the "what is now" and the "what will take place later" begins. The letters were to those literal churches of that time and also to all believers up until the Lord gathers His church.

Therefore, Rev.4:1-2 ends the "what is now" and begins the "what will take place later," which is what the majority of Revelation is about, i.e. "the what must take place later."

Revelation 4:1-2 is what I call a prophetic allusion to when the church is gathered, with John representing it. In support of this, in Rev.1:10 John hears a voice that sounds like a trumpet speaking to him, which is identified as being the Lord. Then in Rev.4:1 John hears that same voice like a trumpet saying "come up here." Throughout chapters 1 thru 3 the word ekklesia translated church is used 18 times with the word hagios translated as Saints never used interchangeably within those same chapters. Likewise, after the end of chapter 3, the word ekklesia/church is never used again, but only the word hagios/saints. The word church abruptly disappears from the narrative.

In addition, the "trumpet of God" mentioned by Paul in his detailed account of the gathering of the church found in 1 Thess.4:13-18, is synonymous with that voice that sounds like a trumpet in Rev.4:1.

The appearing of the Lord to gather His church has always been imminent, just as it was for those at the time that the book of Revelation was written. However, since those things written in Revelation such as the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments have yet to take place, then those events could not possibly have any bearing for those literal churches of that time. Within the letter to the Philadelphia church is a good example of what I am talking about:

"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you out of the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth."

The "hour of trial" is another name for "the day of the Lord" and the time of God's wrath. Since those of the church of Philadelphia has been dead for 1900 years and the hour of trial has not yet taken place, then it was not relative to the church of that time. It is relative however, to those believers who will be alive just prior to when that hour of trial begins, where the Lord will keep His promise by appearing in the air and calling up His church, both dead and living.

You've been reading and deceived by too many SDA writings. The 144,000 will be a group who will be sealed after the church has been removed and during the time of God's wrath. They will be 12,000 from each tribe who will acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah. The 144,000 is a collective name representing the male child which the woman, (unbelieving Israel) gives birth to.

The seal that the 144,000 will be sealed with, will be a literal, physical seal. In support of this, at the sounding of the fifth trumpet/first woe, those demonic beings resembling locusts who come up out of the Abyss, are told not to harm the grass, trees or any plants, but to only harm those who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. This would demonstrate that those demonic beings will be able to visually see who has the seal and who doesn't.

Anyone who trusts in their own works, or the keeping the ten commandments as a means for salvation, will not inherit the kingdom of God and that because they are not trusting in Christ who provided salvation for them, but in their own righteousness. Believers in Christ have been freed from the law, because the law brings death when we fail at it.

It is interesting that those who interpret the mark of the beast figuratively to be the observance of the Sabbath on Sunday, when the word Sabbath does not even appear in the book of Revelation. You'd think that something that important would be specifically written. Not only that, but the misobservance of the Sabbath is no where mentioned in any of the rebukes to the seven churches.

Please take time to watch the following in regards to the technology of the literal, physical mark, that is, if you really want to know the truth.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE

Scripture supports a literal, physical mark.

cc4 · May 23, 2019

In the book of daniel its written:

Daniel 12:4
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased

"Seal the book" Which means it is written for a later generation, "even to the time of the end" But in the book of revelation it says.

Revelation 22:10
"10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this
book: for the time is at hand."

Don't seal it, for what is stated in this book applies from now on.
Plz show me where in the book of revelation where it says that it is sealed only for the last generation?

Read about the seal of god (Yahooah) and you will understand that when you follow he commandments you get hes seal.
Revelation 7:2
"And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the SEAL of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have SEALED the servants of our God in their FORHEADS."

Revelation 14;12
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."

Revelation 22:14
"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

You have to keep the ten commandments to recive the right to eat the tree of life, and the tree of life is (Yahoosha). And when you keep the commandments you also does keep the sabbath holy and on the sabbath you dont work and you alsp keep yourself from buying and selling on that day. And there you have the ridle with the mark of the beast.

Is there any church that keeps the Sabbath holy today? Is it any christians who keep themself from buy and sell on the Sabbath? It's even sold cakes and coffee in the churches today.

Revelation 17:4-5
"4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked
with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in
her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 and upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, babylon
the great, the mother of harlots and abominations of
the earth."

If you break one commandment you break them all and you wount have the right to the tree of life.
And a name is written in your forhead
Mystery, babylon the great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth."

It will be a big tatoo

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