I think most of the people who starved in Germany in WWII were starved because the Allies bombed the food supplies. If this (starving prisoners to death) was so bad, it wouldn't have been done to the German POWs after WWII, but it was. So it is hypocritical to call Nazism evil for starving prisoners to death, but not calling out the evil of Allied governments who also starved German POWs to death.
I don't know how many people were tortured and gassed, but this pales in comparison to the 10s of millions of people (many Christians) starved and murdered and tortured and even eaten by Communist regimes. Communism and Nazism aren't even in the same league.
But if you disagree, that's your prerogative. Some people think serial killers are especially evil. Some think they are only as evil as any other murderer. I obviously think the former.
I apologise if you mistook this for being rude. I was simply highlighting that I disagree. I don't think everything was factual, hence my disagreeance. I've outlined below in red the parts of your statement I don't believe are factual.So what exactly in my last post did you think deserved a red x? Everything there was factual. Seems rather rude.
But we do know how many people were tortured and gassed, over 6 million Jews. And more were deemed unfit and murdered besides. The Jews were starved to death in concentration camps, they died brutal deaths. I don't know facts as to German soldiers being starved but they were not innocent people. The Jews were innocent people. Now I know the US policy is not to torture POW's and I'm sure starving would fall under that. Again not sure of the facts there. No, I disagree. Murder is murder and the Jews were brutally murdered. Numbers don't matter. Nor does the fact that it was Christians matter. In God's eyes murder is all the same, it doesn't matter how many people,evil is evil. The Nazi's under Hitler were vile. Communism is in the same boat. Godless,evil, inspired of satan.
I apologise if you mistook this for being rude. I was simply highlighting that I disagree. I don't think everything was factual, hence my disagreeance. I've outlined below in red the parts of your statement I don't believe are factual.
The Nazis kept meticulous records on everything - except the gassing of 6 million Jews (or the gassing of people of any other religion or persuasion).Nah don't worry, not easily offended. Just wondering why the x. Lets take it one by one...
1.But we do know how many people were tortured and gassed, over 6 million Jews.
This is factual and well known. Do have other facts that are unknown to the public? The Nazis kept excellent records.
If you are speaking from God's perspective, why do you believe those subscribing to the religion that crucified Christ to be innocent? Or if speaking from man's perspective, why do you believe a German forced to fight in a war he didn't want to fight in, is more guilty than a Jew gassed in a chamber that he didn't want to be gassed in?2 ...German soldiers being starved but they were not innocent people. The Jews were innocent people.
You think Germans were innocent or you don't think Jews were?
3. Numbers don't matter. Nor does the fact that it was Christians matter. In God's eyes murder is all the same, it doesn't matter how many people,evil is evil.
Luke 12:47 - 48 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.So you think hell is hotter in some places or.... Sin is sin, murder is murder. Taking one innocent life or a million,all sends you to the same hell unless you repent. Please explain how you disagree.
4. Communism is in the same boat.
I don't disagree with God. But I agree most Commies and Nazis are burning in the same hell. But it would seem just to me that most Communists are generally burned hotter.Well your disagreement isn't with me, it's with God. Communists and Nazis are burning in the same hell today.
The Nazis kept meticulous records on everything - except the gassing of 6 million Jews (or the gassing of people of any other religion or persuasion).
If you are speaking from God's perspective, why do you believe those subscribing to the religion that crucified Christ to be innocent? Or if speaking from man's perspective, why do you believe a German forced to fight in a war he didn't want to fight in, is more guilty than a Jew gassed in a chamber that he didn't want to be gassed in?
Luke 12:47 - 48 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
I don't disagree with God. But I agree most Commies and Nazis are burning in the same hell. But it would seem just to me that most Communists are generally burned hotter.
The Nazis kept meticulous records on everything - except the gassing of 6 million Jews (or the gassing of people of any other religion or persuasion).
If you are speaking from God's perspective, why do you believe those subscribing to the religion that crucified Christ to be innocent?
Or if speaking from man's perspective, why do you believe a German forced to fight in a war he didn't want to fight in, is more guilty than a Jew gassed in a chamber that he didn't want to be gassed in?
I don't disagree with God. But I agree most Commies and Nazis are burning in the same hell. But it would seem just to me that most Communists are generally burned hotter.
If a holocaust denier is one that denies that holocausts have occurred, as the description implies, I am not one. But even if there were evidence for 6 million people being gassed by the Nazis, where is the evidence they were all Jews? When you say Jew, do you mean religious Jew, or racial Jew? What were there names? It is a difficult claim to prove, and as a result, I don't think it ever has been proven.Are you a Holocaust denier? There are pictures of the gas chambers, there is eyewitness testimony of those who did the gassing besides Jewish testimony. I suppose Jews came up with the story out of whole cloth. smh. Plenty of evidence to prove that Jews were gassed, and 6 million lost their lives in camps.
Do you not see the hypocrisy in your statements? You presume I think "every Jew is a Christ killer", but yet you also say "the Germans saw Hitler as their savior, he was going to restore the splendor of Germany, they fought willingly." Which is it? Why can one not make sweeping statements about Jews, but one can about Germans? Isn't this a double standard?So in your mind every Jew is a Christ killer?
By race, not religion. When the racial Jews took on Jesus (i.e. became Christians), they were ostracised by the religious Jews. Look at Paul, who was chief among religious Jews.You realize the first Christian converts were Jewish people.
Amen. And yet His payment for our sins is sufficient, because we acknowledge that He died for us, in our place.You understand that Christ died for YOUR sins and that makes us guilty of His death.
If you tell your father, "You were right to cheat on my mother", you partake in his sin.If my father cheats on my mother am I guilty of his sin?! So how can all Jews be guilty of a sin committed by some of their forefathers?
Who are the spiritual children of the ones who said this?The Jewish leaders handed Jesus over, that doesn't make the Jewish people Christ killers.
As before, sweeping statements about Jews not allowed, but sweeping statements about Germans allowed? It's a double standard, and God doesn't like dishonest scales. (Not that I agree with sweeping statements).I would agree with you IF they were forced to fight. But the Germans saw Hitler as their savior, he was going to restore the splendor of Germany, they fought willingly.
I'm not sure this point makes any difference to either of our arguments.Maybe once they knew they were losing they were forced but that doesn't erase their guilt. And your Scripture has no bearing here whatsoever. People lost their lives trying to hide and aid Jews because they knew what Hitler was doing was wrong.
I believe the Jews under Hitler were treated better than the Christians under Stalin, and Christians under Communism in general. Probably both groups were treated very poorly, but I would sooner be a Jew in Hitler's Germany, than a Christian in Stalin's Russia (from a worldly standpoint).Well as I said murder is murder. The Jews were murdered in horrific ways. They were treated as less than animals.
I'm not saying Corrie Ten Boom lied. I don't have proof one way or the other. But I doubt that she was witness to 6 million people being gassed, and even if she was, I doubt she would have been able to prove that all were Jewish.The Christian author Corrie Ten Boom recounts being in the camps where she lost her entire family. She describes the gas chambers, surely she had no reason to lie.
This is a reassuring thought. But it would appear to me to be just to punish more severely the likes of Stalin, who murdered 10s of millions, than one of the ignorant alcoholic Communists, who adopted the religion of Communism as a means of obtaining wealth. Even in the Old Testament, a thief was to receive a lesser sentence than a murderer.As I said, both ideologies are from the pit of hell where they are now suffering far worse than those innocents they killed.
Sex strike? First I've ever heard of such a thing. But....what do I know.
If a holocaust denier is one that denies that holocausts have occurred, as the description implies, I am not one. But even if there were evidence for 6 million people being gassed by the Nazis, where is the evidence they were all Jews? When you say Jew, do you mean religious Jew, or racial Jew? What were there names? It is a difficult claim to prove, and as a result, I don't think it ever has been proven.
Do you not see the hypocrisy in your statements? You presume I think "every Jew is a Christ killer", but yet you also say "the Germans saw Hitler as their savior, he was going to restore the splendor of Germany, they fought willingly." Which is it? Why can one not make sweeping statements about Jews, but one can about Germans? Isn't this a double standard?
However, I don't believe every Jew is a Christ killer.
I do, however, believe religious Jews take on their spiritual ancestors' crime of killing Jesus, by the nature of their choice of religion. Unless they specifically condemn Jesus' crucifixion, in which case, they will likely be ostracised by fellow Jews.
By race, not religion. When the racial Jews took on Jesus (i.e. became Christians), they were ostracised by the religious Jews. Look at Paul, who was chief among religious Jews.
Amen. And yet His payment for our sins is sufficient, because we acknowledge that He died for us, in our place.
If you tell your father, "You were right to cheat on my mother", you partake in his sin.
Who are the spiritual children of the ones who said this?
Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
As before, sweeping statements about Jews not allowed, but sweeping statements about Germans allowed? It's a double standard, and God doesn't like dishonest scales. (Not that I agree with sweeping statements).
I believe the Jews under Hitler were treated better than the Christians under Stalin, and Christians under Communism in general. Probably both groups were treated very poorly, but I would sooner be a Jew in Hitler's Germany, than a Christian in Stalin's Russia (from a worldly standpoint).

I'm not saying Corrie Ten Boom lied. I don't have proof one way or the other. But I doubt that she was witness to 6 million people being gassed, and even if she was, I doubt she would have been able to prove that all were Jewish.
This is a reassuring thought. But it would appear to me to be just to punish more severely the likes of Stalin, who murdered 10s of millions, than one of the ignorant alcoholic Communists, who adopted the religion of Communism as a means of obtaining wealth. Even in the Old Testament, a thief was to receive a lesser sentence than a murderer.
Well said, kaylagrl. I’m concerned about the number of people on here displaying hatred against the Jews.
I don't think I'm denying any facts. I accept each holocaust on its own merits. For example, did you know that the fire bombing of Dresden was a British/American holocaust on the non-military German city of Dresden? In 4 raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, it is estimated that 25,000 people were killed in this aerial fire-bombing. Happy Valentines Day, Germany. :-( So much for the Allies being "good" guys.We're not talking about holocausts, we are talking about the Jewish Holocaust. Did it happen in your opinion? I didn't say 6 million were gassed. Many died in other ways. Many were shot back to back to save bullets, many were starved, many died of illness or torture. Not all were gassed but all died horrifically. They weren't all Jews, some, like Corrie Ten Boom, were Christians and others who tried to hide Jews. But the vast majority were Jews. It has been proven in records, in pictures, in eyewitness testimony. The Germans themselves were made to go through the camps so they, like you,couldn't deny the facts.
I could likewise argue culpability of the Jews in the Jewish Holocaust you describe. Is the lack of Jewish opposition to such a holocaust justification for their slaughter? Then neither can lack of German resistance to Hitler be used as justification for their guilt.I assumed nothing, I answer what you post. No, it's not a double standard because I also said there where people who helped hide Jews, and people who resisted., like Schindler. But the vast majority did not.
Yes. Isn't it more fun to agree than to disagree?Glad we can agree on that point.
Aren't all Christians Messianic Jews? Romans 2:29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.Which is why we witness to Jews, who are blinded at this time. My mothers neighbors are Messianic Jews. They have wonderful conversations. We know according to Romans 11 that Jews are blinded until the Gentiles come in.
1 Corinthians 1:31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”We all are culpable for Christs death. ALL of us have sinned. Our sins nailed Him to the tree. Everyone who reject Christ's blood is in the same boat. Jews are blinded for a time but they will be saved the same way as everyone else as Romans 11 says. It also says Gentiles grafted in have no right to boast.
I am neither denying nor confirming your ancestors' part in any holocausts. I just like to have evidence before I accept something as true.No sweeping statements were made. I'm German on my mothers side BTW and many German people understand and deeply regret their ancestors part in the Holocaust. And they don't try to deny it happened.
Would you rather be the man in that picture, or a relative of one of these poor people killed in the Dresden Holocaust, initiated by the Allies? I think that man, starved though he is, would be happier than the relatives of the murdered people below.Does this look like good treatment to you? I'm not going to be crass and post the corpses stacked on top of each other, emaciated and naked. But please don't try and say one option was "better" than the other. That's simply a flat out lie. As a Christian I don't know how you could say such a thing,from any standpoint. smh

I think Jews were a minority of those killed during the World War II holocausts. If Hitler wanted to rid the world of Jews, why was he a Jew? Or is that just an urban myth?Not only did she not lie, she was an eyewitness to what happened in the Holocaust and that Jews were gassed. I didn't say 6 million were gassed I said they were murdered. We know they were Jews, Hitler hated the Jews and targeted them. If you don't believe he hated Jews, read his book. His whole plan was to rid the world of Jews. For you to say we don't know it was Jews that were murdered that is an outright lie. Last time I checked, that was against God's Word. Yes, Hitler had others murdered besides the Jews but they were his main target.
Yes. This is why I don't favour the Jewish religion over any other races. I believe favouritism is wrong. Just because some Jews died during World War II holocausts, doesn't mean that other folks didn't also die during World War II holocausts. It would be wrong to only sympathise for any Jews holocausted, but reject all the poor German people who were also holocausted, especially considering that more Germans were killed than Jews, and many Germans holocausted were brother and sister Christians.Both murdered millions, both have blood on their hands and are in hell today because of it. To try and make Hitler look innocent in any way or less guilty is to deny the facts of history in eyewitness accounts, records, photographs. If that isn't enough to establish facts I don't know what is. Lesser events of history are believed as fact with not even half of the evidence above. Anti-Semitism,more factually anti-Jew ideology is vile, and against the Word of God. No Christian, NO Christian should ever be a party to racism. You cannot call yourself a Christian and be racist at the same time,no matter the race.
Yes. This is why I don't favour the Jewish religion over any other races. I believe favouritism is wrong. Just because some Jews died during World War II holocausts, doesn't mean that other folks didn't also die during World War II holocausts.
It would be wrong to only sympathise for any Jews holocausted, but reject all the poor German people who were also holocausted, especially considering that more Germans were killed than Jews, and many Germans holocausted were brother and sister Christians.
I don't think I'm denying any facts. I accept each holocaust on its own merits. For example, did you know that the fire bombing of Dresden was a British/American holocaust on the non-military German city of Dresden? In 4 raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, it is estimated that 25,000 people were killed in this aerial fire-bombing. Happy Valentines Day, Germany. :-( So much for the Allies being "good" guys.
I could likewise argue culpability of the Jews in the Jewish Holocaust you describe.
Is the lack of Jewish opposition to such a holocaust justification for their slaughter? Then neither can lack of German resistance to Hitler be used as justification for their guilt.
Aren't all Christians Messianic Jews? Romans 2:29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.
1 Corinthians 1:31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”
I am neither denying nor confirming your ancestors' part in any holocausts. I just like to have evidence before I accept something as true.
Would you rather be the man in that picture, or a relative of one of these poor people killed in the Dresden Holocaust, initiated by the Allies? I think that man, starved though he is, would be happier than the relatives of the murdered people below.
I love this quote, and wholeheartedly agree![]()
Hi @AuntieAnt, your photo reminded me of a quote that I use regularly when I discuss this subject (from a Pro-Life Sunday Facebook post a couple of years ago).
"A baby is cradled / carried in the womb of it's mother, to grow and be nurtured until birth. Each baby is a wholly separate person from it's mother: With different DNA, different fingerprints, with possibly a different blood type or the opposite sex. The baby is a person living within a person and not "the mother's body". The mom is appointed to care for the separate life she carries within her and once it's born, find a home for her baby, if she can't provide one." -- Melody Green (she is Christian Singer/Songwriter Keith Green's wife)
~Deut
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Interesting. I read that he confesses to be a Pro-Life Christian, so I also think that it would have been fun be a squirrel in the tree that's right behind his table, to see the interactions that he had with students, teachers and faculty that day. It's hard to believe that there's a college left out there that wouldn't have booted him off campus for invading their "safe spaces" with his "radical" thoughts about God and life![]()
Feeling offended has more weight than truth, how sad
If (most) people truly had a clear idea of what we are sacrificing and abdicating in the name of comfort, materialism and conformity-diversity, they would be stunned.
I would never, never had imagined college students needing safe spaces.
Quite frankly, they should be embarrassed, and I for one have a diminished respect for any college student who subscribes to this. Our founders should be rolling over in their graves. Imagine if these same boys and girls that are in college now running to their safe spaces because their delicate ears are being bombarded by conservative ideals, were our military doing the fighting in WW ii? We would be speaking German right now, and the laughing stock of the post WW ll world. Thank God there were real men around in those days.
How do you tell your son or daughter that when you were in college you ran to your safe space when someone came to campus to speak views you didn't like? No self respect. Cowards. Don't like something, avoid it. Yeah, great policy. Try doing that on judgement day.
This is a weak minded and foolish generation, oozing with decadence and deceived by the father of lies. When many of this mentality speak, they do the biding of their father, and mimic his native tongue.
I think Jews were a minority of those killed during the World War II holocausts. If Hitler wanted to rid the world of Jews, why was he a Jew? Or is that just an urban myth?