Mystery Babylon

[eternally-gratefull]

Ezekiel 16 gives us biblical proof that Jerusalem was a harlot - if not the mother of all harlots. God even said Jerusalem was worse than a harlot, as a harlot at least gets paid for her work, but Jerusalem paid her lovers.

Ezekiel 16: 2, 15, 16, 17, 20, 21, 22, 30, 33 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,
15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.
17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,
20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,
21 That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?
22 And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood.
30 How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord God, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman;
33 They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom.

For the last time

You play the harlot by going to BE WITH A PROSTITUTE

A prostitute does not play the harlot.

Jerusalem did not play the whore. She slept with the WHore. The WHore being babylon (baal worship and other gods they slept with) And then she HELPED to promite that worship. It is why she suffered the lev 26 punishment WHich The northern kingdom suffered by the hands of Assyria. And then the southern kingdom suffered at the hands of the 4 beasts (babylon, Media persia, Greece and ROme) until she was finally totally destroyed in 70 Ad)

So again, SHE IS ALREADY BEING PUNISHED, how can you PUNISH HER MORE??

Why is this so hard for people to comprehend? Do they ignore history?

I did not read this post past the “play the harlot” part. Because if we can not come to understand what this means, we have no bearing with which to discuss anything.

 

[he-rat_of_the_circus-mice]

For the last time

You play the harlot by going to BE WITH A PROSTITUTE

A prostitute does not play the harlot.

If you read the scripture I posted, you would see God describes Jerusalem both as a harlot, and as playing the harlot. The meaning is the same. We should use scripture to interpret scripture. If there is somewhere in scripture where Rome, or another city, is described as a harlot (or playing the harlot), feel free to post.

Jerusalem did not play the whore. She slept with the WHore. The WHore being babylon (baal worship and other gods they slept with) And then she HELPED to promite that worship. It is why she suffered the lev 26 punishment WHich The northern kingdom suffered by the hands of Assyria. And then the southern kingdom suffered at the hands of the 4 beasts (babylon, Media persia, Greece and ROme) until she was finally totally destroyed in 70 Ad)

The scripture I posted showed that Jerusalem did play the whore, and was the harlot.

So again, SHE IS ALREADY BEING PUNISHED, how can you PUNISH HER MORE??

Perhaps its her spiritual descendents (those who call themselves Jews)? This is a good question. But New Israel certainly exists, and New Israel certainly claims a genealogical link to historical Israel. But just because we don't understand something God says doesn't necessarily mean God meant something else.

Why is this so hard for people to comprehend? Do they ignore history?

With respect, I think you're ignoring scripture in this case, and not using other scripture to confirm your position, so perhaps that is why others don't agree with your conclusion?

I did not read this post past the “play the harlot” part.

I'm a slow reader myself.

Because if we can not come to understand what this means, we have no bearing with which to discuss anything.

If you read the scripture I posted, you would see God describes Jerusalem both as a harlot, and as playing the harlot. The meaning is the same. We should use scripture to interpret scripture. If there is somewhere in scripture where Rome, or another city, is described as a harlot (or playing the harlot), feel free to post.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you read the scripture I posted, you would see God describes Jerusalem both as a harlot, and as playing the harlot. The meaning is the same. We should use scripture to interpret scripture. If there is somewhere in scripture where Rome, or another city, is described as a harlot (or playing the harlot), feel free to post.

What Gods was isreal playing with, Where did they come from?

The scripture I posted showed that Jerusalem did play the whore, and was the harlot.

It says she played the harlot

Perhaps its her spiritual descendents (those who call themselves Jews)? This is a good question. But New Israel certainly exists, and New Israel certainly claims a genealogical link to historical Israel. But just because we don't understand something God says doesn't necessarily mean God meant something else.

Was she or was she not punished for those sins already? And is she or is she not STILL being punished for those sins according to prophesy?

With respect, I think you're ignoring scripture in this case, and not using other scripture to confirm your position, so perhaps that is why others don't agree with your conclusion?

If you read the scripture I posted, you would see God describes Jerusalem both as a harlot, and as playing the harlot. The meaning is the same. We should use scripture to interpret scripture. If there is somewhere in scripture where Rome, or another city, is described as a harlot (or playing the harlot), feel free to post.

Once again, WAS SHE NOT PUNISHED FOR THOSE SINS ALREADY? (Assyria, Babylon, Media-perisa, Rome, And all the gentiles who have persecuted her for the last 2000 years even today. )

BAAL worship is part of babylon, That is the harlot. Jerusalem WAS NOT THE CENTER OF BAAL WORSHIP. She may have been a side partaker at this time, But she was NOT THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS. Can you understand the difference?

Was not daniel praying for the sins of the people at the end of the 70 year period of punishment, even though Israel still had not yet repented. And did nto Gabriel say it would be 70 weeks BEFORE isreal woud repent and things would be restored back to the way it was supposed to be? (Isreal was allowed back int he land, even rebuilt the temple. But they lived as slaves. They were NEVER truly restored)

Once again, Rev 17 trumps the thought that Jerusalem is or ever was babylon.

Again, Nothing else you said is going to be discussed until we get these facts down first.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Rev 17:
5 And on her forehead a name was written:

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS
OF THE EARTH.

I think people forget. Babylon is not just A HARLOT. She is the MOTHER of HARLOTS. And her abominations have spread over the whole earth.

It is not one of the mothers children. But the mother herself.

 

[he-rat_of_the_circus-mice]

Rev 17:
5 And on her forehead a name was written:

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS
OF THE EARTH.

I think people forget. Babylon is not just A HARLOT. She is the MOTHER of HARLOTS. And her abominations have spread over the whole earth.

It is not one of the mothers children. But the mother herself.

And if she's the mother of them all, this would surely be documented elsewhere in scripture, right?

 

[Lanolin]

And if she's the mother of them all, this would surely be documented elsewhere in scripture, right?

Jezebel?

2 Kings 9:22

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And if she's the mother of them all, this would surely be documented elsewhere in scripture, right?

Why would it have to be documented elsewhere?

Did John not call her the MOTHER of all harlots. Or was that a typo?

And does not the signs show she is the one who is controlling?

Where did the religion get its start? In babylon of course, hence the name

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jezebel?

2 Kings 9:22

How much influence did She have on the world?

 

[jb]

Once again, Rev 17 trumps the thought that Jerusalem is or ever was babylon.

Twisting Scripture to try and fit your erroneous ideas will not change the fact that "the great city" of Rev chapter 17 is "the great city" of Rev 11v8!

What are you going to say to the Lord Jesus for misleading His people on last day prophetic truth when you stand before His Throne for judgement, especially in the clear warning of Rev 22v18,19?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Twisting Scripture to try and fit your erroneous ideas will not change the fact that "the great city" of Rev chapter 17 is "the great city" of Rev 11v8!

What are you going to say to the Lord Jesus for misleading His people on last day prophetic truth when you stand before His Throne for judgement, especially in the clear warning of Rev 22v18,19?

Lol

Dude your making a doctrine based on 2 verses. And ignoring a whole chapter.

What are you going to say for calling God a liar?

 

[Lanolin]

How much influence did She have on the world?

Quite a bit.
Read the OT to find out how she corrupted kings, then what her daughters did. And the showdown with the prophets, the ones for God and the ones of Baal.

Its becoming clear you've skipped massive chunks of the Bible, because you seem completely unaware of her influence.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Quite a bit.
Read the OT to find out how she corrupted kings, then what her daughters did. And the showdown with the prophets, the ones for God and the ones of Baal.

Its becoming clear you've skipped massive chunks of the Bible, because you seem completely unaware of her influence.

Lol

This is funny man.

If ANYTHING They had influence on the local region. But the world?

It is obvious you do not know how big the world is. PS. Ball was not an Israel God, Nor did Israel have the high priestship of that God. And even then, Baal was just a CHILD of the MOTHER harlot.

You all keep forgetting. John said she was the MOTHER of Harlots (All forms of this Babylonian religion CAME FROM her. Baal was just a minor child.

 

[Lanolin]

Jesus said in Luke 13:33-34 nevertheless, I must keep going today and tomorrow and the next day for it is not permissable for a prophet to perish outside of Jerusalem. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem who kills the prophets and stones the ones sent to her! How I have longed to gather your children as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you are unwilling.


Note...Jesus doesnt say this about Rome. Its Jerusalem. He even says the name of this city twice in case you missed it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus said in Luke 13:33-34 nevertheless, I must keep going today and tomorrow and the next day for it is not permissable for a prophet to perish outside of Jerusalem. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem who kills the prophets and stones the ones sent to her! How I have longed to gather your children as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you are unwilling.


Note...Jesus doesnt say this about Rome. Its Jerusalem. He even says the name of this city twice in case you missed it.

Lol

That is not the discussion, The discussion is who is the MOTHER of Harlots.

OT prophesy said Isreal and jerusalem would be totally destroyed (it was in AD 70) and it says it will remain desolate until the end of the age, then it also says that at the end of the age, it will be restored. With Christ himself ruling.

You have god destroying a city which was already destroyed for her sin. After she was destroyed to begin with, Which makes no sense.

Rome has worldwide outreach and worldwide affect. Israel does nto even come close to what Rome has accomplished. In prestige or in power or in might or in money. All the things John said in rev 17 the MOTHER has.

 

[Lanolin]

Another thing people forget about Jerusalem is that Jerusalem really did once rule over the kings of the earth, in King solomons time. All the kings and queens paid tribute. Queen sheba came all the way from .ethiopia. There is a traversing highway in Israel called the Kings Highway.

Jersualem is a contested city for both jews and muslims...the Dome of the Rock was built over the site of the holy of holies. I think people want to forget that its there when its so obvious that this gaudy gold dome is present! And sultans to bring their treasure to it and have paid for its construction. Inside the dome there are lots of arabic references written how God has no son...and how allah is God..blasphemy against Jesus. The rock the dome sits on is regarded as a shrine to Muhammed and where abraham nearly sacrificed Isaac.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Another thing people forget about Jerusalem is that Jerusalem really did once rule over the kings of the earth, in King solomons time. All the kings and queens paid tribute. Queen sheba came all the way from .ethiopia. There is a traversing highway in Israel called the Kings Highway.

Jersualem is a contested city for both jews and muslims...the Dome of the Rock was built over the site of the holy of holies. I think people want to forget that its there when its so obvious that this gaudy gold dome is present! And sultans to bring their treasure to it and have paid for its construction. Inside the dome there are lots of arabic references written how God has no son...and how allah is God..blasphemy against Jesus. The rock the dome sits on is regarded as a shrine to Muhammed and where abraham nearly sacrificed Isaac.

So at one time she has sort of influence over the earth.

So it must be her??

Lol..

I doubt John was looking about centuries to find a time when jerusalem had some power over “PARTS” of the earth, and thought that was babylon


You seem to be drawing at straws trying to find any thread of proof that Isreal may be the MOTHER.

By the way, Once again, YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT the dome of the rock. PROVES the city and sanctuary are STILL left in a desolate state JUST AS Daniel said they would be.

Dan 9:
And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week

it is all simple logic

1. In ad 70 the temple and city was destroyed and left desolate
2. This would continue UNTIL the end of WAR desolations are determined (no time frame is given for how long this will last. But as you just proved, It is STILL ongoing today
3. THEN, He shall confirm a covenant with many for one week (not yet fullfilled)

See thats the other problem. Prophesy is throughout most of th bible. Many places speak of the same events, You can not go to one passage and use that ALONE to prove a point. All of prophesy must be taken together,

 

[Footprint]

History records that a Roman Emperor named Constantine was very instrumental in setting up the First General Council of Churches in 325 A.D., known as the Council of Nicaea. The Church of Rome became the Official Church of the State with Constantine as its head. This "universal" church with its new doctrine was established so that EVERY subject (that means person) of the Empire would belong to the Official Church of the State. The THREE PERSON DOCTRINE was purely an orchestrated effort by Constantine designed to appease both the MONOTHEISTS (One God Christians) and the POLYTHEISTS (Multiple god Pagans).

New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967 Edition, Vol. 13, p. 1021
The first use of the Latin word "trinitas" (trinity) with reference to God, is found in Tertullian's writings (about 213 A.D.). He was the first to use the term "persons" (plural) in a Trinitarian context.


Encyclopedia Americana, 1957 Edition, Vol. 27, p. 69
The word "Trinity" is not in Scripture. The term "persons" (plural) is not applied in Scriptures to the Trinity.


World Book Encyclopedia, 1975 Edition, Vol. T p. 363
Belief in Father, Son and Holy Ghost was first defined by the earliest general council of churches. This was the First Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D.



The Word of God (which preceded 325AD) tells us in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

Which now brings me to my point, when asked about the trinity, most will tell us that it is a "Mystery"!
Interestingly enough that is the name written on the Mother Of Harlots...

Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


Lets note that she is a MOTHER and therefore must have Daughters. In the Bible it is all about doctrine, a clean (bride) church, and a harlot church. I submit for consideration that the daughters of the Harlot are the Trinity doctrine churches.

-Thank you.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

What about this Bible verse from the Word of God:

"Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.” Genesis 1:26

https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/1-26.htm [shows to be "plurals" at the right hand column]

 

[Lanolin]

Hmm dont reckons so because scripture does tell us that these three agree in one in letter to John. father, word and Holy Ghost . Spirit, water and the blood.
check out 1 John 5:7
Its not really as mysterious as people make out.

Jesus also said I and my Father are one.

The combining of church and state back then was good in some ways but really bad in others. But that didnt have anything to do with what believers already knew about God in of itself because God had revealed He sent his son way before the emporers of Rome officially recognised JEsus as Lord.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmm dont reckons so because scripture does tell us that these three agree in one in letter to John. father, word and Holy Ghost . Spirit, water and the blood.
check out 1 John 5:7
Its not really as mysterious as people make out.

Jesus also said I and my Father are one.

The combining of church and state back then was good in some ways but really bad in others. But that didnt have anything to do with what believers already knew about God in of itself because God had revealed He sent his son way before the emporers of Rome officially recognised JEsus as Lord.

Did they really recognize him?

Or did they take his churhc and make it into something else?