AMEN...simple truth hey.......they cannot help but conflate numerous issues into one big quagmire.....!!
Not By Works
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Like I have said.....it is all JESUS or it is fraudulent!!
Not sure about this....are you referring to "I die daily" by Paul because in context that is not what he was teaching.
No, what I believe Paul is saying is to consider what has already been done on a daily basis. We don't die daily. Or remind ourselves.
Decon
Have you ever looked at the word sons? I have. Then because some Bible versions use children rather than sons, I looked at this too. I found there are 8 different descriptive definitions for children, child.
I agree salvation is instantaneous or completed when we receive Jesus. I don't know why you objected. Unless it's because I didn't use the word sanctification. Scripture days we are sanctified by Holy Spirit. It's the work of God in every aspect of our walk with Him.
Back to children. There's a growth process we go through and John speaks of it. Not looking now for it. Am on my phone. But, though we are His children, it's as if we are born again as babes in the faith.
Looking at Sonship. This place we will pay a price for.
Look at the words before you objected decon.
What made me look was laffturs post on Navy seals.
IT HAD TO BE A SPIRITUAL GIFT, because I HAD THAT TOTAL TRUST IN HIM FROM THE MOMENT I WAS BORN AGAIN.
No, I did not have to DEVELOP it.
I KNEW HE was in control of my life, and HE had a plan for my life.
I gave up CONTROL to HIM.
Doesn't it bother you how many contradictions you yourself create in the Holy Scriptures, by your misinterpretations.
We believe when you interpret Scripture correctly, THERE ARE NO CONTRADICTIONS in Scripture.
Sort of, but NO ONE EVER TOLD ME THAT SPIRITUAL GROWTH REQUIRED FEEDING ON THE WORD. So the first three months I was JUST waiting for Him to do something in my life. I did not know I had to feed on the Word regularly. Then one NIGHT at work I got so BORED with my Country and Western Music, that I changed the Channel. I landed on a Christian Channel, as Dr. John MacArthur, Jr. was starting a verse by verse series on REVELATION, and in a short time I was hooked on Expository Bible Teaching for LIFE. Yes that means the Book of Revelation was my SPIRITUAL MILK. Soon, I was listening to Other VERY GOOD Bible Teachers too. The Post Office allowed us to listen to headset radios at work. I am thankful that the LORD lead me to some VERY GOOD BIBLE TEACHERS:
The Bible teachers that have had the most influence on my spiritual growth are:
Dr. John MacArthur, Jr. - http://www.gty.org/ sermons dating back to the early 70s - free to listen to.
Dr. Adrian Rogers - http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/love-worth-finding/
Dr. Charles Stanley - http://www.intouch.org/
Dr. Richard Lee - http://www.firstredeemer.org/
Dr. Zola Levitt - http://www.levitt.tv/media/watch/118 - some free - videos
Dr. Ed Young - http://www.winningwalk.org/t-bio.aspx
Dr. Gil Rugh - http://www.ihcc.org/ - free sermons dating back to the late 70s - free
Dr. Chuck Swindoll - http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/insight-for-living/
Dr. Walter Martin - https://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/martin_walter/
Dr. Ben Haden - http://changedlives.org/WHY
Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost - http://www.dts.edu/read/dr-dwight-pentecost-dies-age-99/
As well as the Pastors of Churches that I attended; Pastor Neil Berry and Pastor Gordan Broadbent especially.
To Cor ...
Is there a bad motive behind your preaching?
is there a bad motive in preaching about the concept of bad motive?
If no, can you explain this good motive?
If there is, why should people know about the fact that God examines the motive of heart, if preaching this concept is also done out of bad motives?
Romans 9:30-33
What then will we say? That Gentiles, not pursuing righteousness, have attained righteousness, and righteousness that is by faith; 31but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not attain to that law. 32Why? Because it was not by faith, but as by works. They stumbled over the stone of stumbling, 33as it has been written:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense;
and the one believing on Him
will never be put to shame.”l
AMEN brother,
No different than those who promote dead works faith, that can never save, and call themselves Christians today.
As it's been said before about Paul's letters,
The same could be said today of the letter of James .......
2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable twist, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
God did all the work necessary for us to be saved by grace through faith in Christ.
We believe/trust in His finished work.
Not our own.
We all have sinned, He did not.
John 14:1
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in Me.
1 Peter 2:6-8
For it stands in Scripture:
“See, I lay in Zion a stone,
a chosen and precious cornerstone;
and the one who believes in Him
will never be put to shame.”a
7To you who believe, then, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,
“The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”b
8and,
“A stone of stumbling
and a rock of offense.”c
--who are stumbling at the word, being unbelieving, -- to which also they were set;
NIV1984 Romans 15:18
I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done—
No deceiver would ever teach obedience to God and no true Christian would ever teach DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD.
Those who attack, insult, blaspheme those who teach OBEDIENCE TO GOD is a clear evidence of what they teach no matter how they try to deny it.
NIV1984 1 Timothy 6:3-5
If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done—
No deceiver would ever teach obedience to God and no true Christian would ever teach DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD.
Those who attack, insult, blaspheme those who teach OBEDIENCE TO GOD is a clear evidence of what they teach no matter how they try to deny it.
NIV1984 1 Timothy 6:3-5
If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
To Cor...
Is this the purpose of why you are on debate forums?
If you achieve no success here, how do you know if your labor is in vain or not?
Is it motives?
Amen! Believers are sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
We are saved through faith (rightly understood) IN CHRIST ALONE -- "saved by grace through faith, not works" (Ephesians 2:8,9) which does not take away the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, which was His part and faith is our part. (Romans 3:24-28; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) Jesus Christ walked/lived on this earth and was in all points tempted as we are, yet He was without sin. (Hebrews 4:15) Believers ought to walk in the same manner as Jesus walked, in truth and in love, (1 John 2:6) which is what believers strive to do because we are saved and we love the Lord and not to become saved. Works of service are what we are saved FOR and NOT BY. (Ephesians 2:8-10)