Not By Works

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BillG

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Sorry just one last blast.

Listen folks we need to get into the reality of others people's lives.
If we do not then we are devoid of salt.
 
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Those who pursue salvation by works STUMBLE......

Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,
 
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Notice what PETER states is the outcome of faith.....NOT WORKS

Obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.
 
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Salvation is a simple concept....note...it is faith that brings it....

But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
 
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WOW.....FREED from ALL THINGS though faith....

And through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.
 
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Notice the will of the Heavenly Father......

"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
 
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You know...eternal is not temporary....!

So that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
 
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Those who believe do not come into condemnation......

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
 

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Those who believe do not come into condemnation......

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
Amen. If we truly encounter Jesus, He is the Life of God, His very word, the thing that created everything,
that breathed life into man, that made the trees grow, that directs the paths of everything.

Jesus is Gods essence brought to life, the seed planted in our hearts that grows and creates more words
of God that pour from us daily. The fact we are in the Kingdom, saved, made whole, purified, glorified,
redeemed, turned into works of His very hands, it is a wonder. We at first know this seed, understand that
our outer selves is still ruled by the world and we wonder what we might become.

Praise God that He will bring to completion the work He has begun.
But we aware there are weeds planted among us, who will neither know or experience the Holy Spirit moving,
or know the meaning of the words, or understand how He transforms us, and their mission is simply to discourage
us from fulfilling our calling, which is itself impossible, for what God has willed will come to pass, Amen.
 
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Notice what it is that allows us to overcome the world and be born again....NOT WORKS

For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
 
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Notice what saved this woman.....JESUS does not say her works....

And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."
 
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Sorry just one last blast.

Listen folks we need to get into the reality of others people's lives.
If we do not then we are devoid of salt.
JESUS said, "We are the salt of the world".......think about what all salt does

It seasons
It heals
It preserves
It cleanses
It is needed for life
etc......
 

FollowHisSteps

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I spent this morning with guy.
We do Freedom in Christ at church ( a course designed by N.T Anderson)
Basically it's a discipleship course that seeks to see people to understand who they are in Jesus and to set them free from things in their life that hinder their walk and freedom and understanding of whom they are in Jesus.

At the end of it people like me along with someone else will do what is called steps.
This process is to allow the Holy Spirit to reveal things that are a stumbling block.
It ranges from things of the past where Satan has been given a foothold, generational curses, to advertent occult and non advertent occult, to idolatry (like money, food and so on) to unfogiveness, sexual ties and so on.

So I'm sat with this guy this morning.

My heart was broken for him.
He is and was all over the place.

We hadn't even started going through stuff and he is in tears.
He was frightened to be honest about but stuff, I reassured him he could and we would not judge but honesty God can work with.

What really broke my heart was this guy was frightened, he felt that God did not love him unless he conformed, did better and worked harder.

All these thoughts and many more were a result of his life before he came to Jesus.
His background was very severe and shocking. I won't go into it but the fact is I could relate to it, because his life now is what mine was.

And I thank God for what I went through because he worked good in things of my life to conform me to the image of Jesus so that I can walk in the works he prepared for me from the beginning of time.

That's the works he wants us to walk in.

I'm not puffing myself up here. Just sharing what I believe God wants us to walk in.

If any you remember please pray for this guy.
He had a tremendous amount of pain and hurt.
Very confused and frightened about how God feels about him.

But I implore us never place a burden on someone.

Ask God how we can help to carry it with them until God takes it upon himself.
The problem with judgementalism on any party, is it is largely based on the wrong ideas, and miss-understanding
how we express ourselves. So a man who is too sever and self condemning, they need to know acceptance and
forgiveness, while a man who is without boundaries and has no insight into the damage they do to others or
themselves needs boundaries and rules so they know where they need to stop.

A further difficulty is when rules breaking has been linked to violence and abuse.
So a lot of language here could be more a reflection of peoples backgrounds and not their faith or walk
with Jesus. I know nothing of violence or abuse, so do not understand the damage that results or how
to help those who have been victims of this.

So all we can do is commit one another to the Lord and trust He will lead us deeper into His ways, rather
than believing good people are evil and deceived, rather they are loving believers who desire the best
in the way of their Lord.
 
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It is not contrary to judge....as a matter of fact we are to judge ALL things....the problem comes when we judge without using the word of God as the rule that we judge by.....and or laying the rule to someone that we will not lay to our own lives....
 
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God saves those that believe!!

For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
 
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For those that say JESUS cannot be found in the O.T.

"Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."
 
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Wonderful truth....

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God