Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

[eternally-gratefull]

if you make it to heaven, maybe you and I can discuss what you say about me

you will be embarrassed

I guess I have to forgive you in Jesus name so your bitterness does not spread in here. so I forgive you as Christ tells me to.

from the heart even. I don't want that root of bitterness to spring up and defile many

God bless you grateful. I wish you truly were

in fact...hugs in Jesus too! He still loves you even though you do such harm to His body

I do pray for you guys though.

disclaimer: none of the above means I will never respond to one of your posts though. I believe we should always be ready to give an account for what we believe as the Bible says...but nicely of course...without discussing people instead of the op

I actually truely feel sorry for you. I was gonna respond more, but as I said before, not really worth it, Like my mother used to say, Consider the source.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Sure. It is claimed that after smashing the baby against the wall, and kicking the baby into the crowd, the baby was healed.

COMPLETELY unsubstantiated of course. But we don't even have to talk about the unsubstantiation, of the claim. If you think the Holy Spirit operates by throwing babies against a wall and kicking them off a stage, you are as deceived as I feared.

Sounds so demonic to me , seriously , it is shocking...xox...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For clarification I am saying, the Word will judge all including me. It is not my job to judge.

Yes it will, as I said,

And it will judge you.. Because the word does not say what you claim it does.

You believe we are in essence saved because of water baptism (recieve remission of sin) which is a gospel of works and not by grace

 

[PennEd]

Ok, But that is one person saying he did, is there actual proof?

it appears stonesfire believes he did that by her question of asking you the end result. But I do not just want to judge based on someone elses words.

Well there is NO proof he actually DID anything! That's just the point. No verified healing. But these people USE the baby incident, and other physical attacks on people, AS A GOOD THING!!! But you only have to google wigglesworth throws baby, or Wigglesworth punches cancer victim to dig into just how sick this cult has become.

Here's a longer video with more of these guys touting his methods and deceiving their flock. True Wolves.

 

[Wansvic]

Yes it will, as I said,

And it will judge you.. Because the word does not say what you claim it does.

You believe we are in essence saved because of water baptism (recieve remission of sin) which is a gospel of works and not by grace

Your opinion. Which of course you are entitled.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I actually truely feel sorry for you. I was gonna respond more, but as I said before, not really worth it, Like my mother used to say, Consider the source.

no you do not feel sorry for me

you have had it in for me ever since your big fight with a mod where I agreed with the mod

after that you started threatening me. it's not a secret

if you don't forgive... the mod or anyone else, you will be judged on that according to scripture

don't try to teach others when you ignore one of the most fundamental teachings of Christianity

as it is, I am genuine in saying I forgive you

the rest is your problem dude

I don't want your bitterness

again, God bless you

 

[stonesoffire]

So did that pastor or whatever actually do what he was accused of?

I don't know for sure EG. This all happened years ago. But, I do know from the rumors....they were healed.

The one I read about was his own wife. This was in the book I have here. His wife had died and he wouldn't let her go. He kept picking her up and making her stand against the wall until she came back to life. The last time she passed, she told him to let her go.

I would have to find the story to quote it accurately because like all stories they tend to get jumbled up some way when trying to recite them from memory.

But, I would ask you to do something some time EG. When you go to pray for someone who is sick, or needs ministry some way....fast 7 seven days and see what happens.

This is why I tend to believe Wigglesworth might of punched some one in the stomach. I won't post publicly anymore about these things. And no I never punched anyone.

 

[stonesoffire]

I never had any sisters but I do have two brothers. We fought so much when we were young, but today love reigns. Age does a lot to ones perspective.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Ok...I am going to be honest her...
Please don`t come hard at me , I have no real understanding of what tongues mean yet , but I pray the Holy Spirit will teach me as He does daily...

This is what I thought tongues was from what I have read when I come across it in the bible...

Tongues were given to the Apostles so they could go out and preach the Word of God in all languages , to those in foreign countries that they travelled to that had not heard the good news...
Am I anyway near right , or on the right track ...xox...

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I actually truely feel sorry for you. I was gonna respond more, but as I said before, not really worth it, Like my mother used to say, Consider the source.

I will also say that this is what goes on around here

in particular, you make it a practice to get personally insulting and demeaning in the way you respond to others

you speak to other posters ABOUT someone...as you are doing with me...and you and they all agree at how 'awful' that person that you are targeting is

which of course is why I point out how you and others gang up on people

this is your MO

as I said, you don't exhibit feeling sorry...however 'feeling sorry' is not a Christian response

I cannot consider you as anything but an immature person trying to sound all knowing

as I said, I will address what I consider very bad doctrine in your posts, but as for your personal insults, I will leave that with you and God and the same for the rest of you who encourage him with this behavior and do the same

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Ok...I am going to be honest her...
Please don`t come hard at me , I have no real understanding of what tongues mean yet , but I pray the Holy Spirit will teach me as He does daily...

This is what I thought tongues was from what I have read when I come across it in the bible...

Tongues were given to the Apostles so they could go out and preach the Word of God in all languages , to those in foreign countries that they travelled to that had not heard the good news...
Am I anyway near right , or on the right track ...xox...

if you want to consider what the Bible says regarding tongues, read Paul's letters to the Corinthians

cessationist believe all these things have ceased and MacArthur in particular says it is from the devil

however Rosemary, you can decide in prayer for yourself..between you and God

that is how I received the infilling of the Holy Spirit...I was taught all the things MacArthur states but when I read the Bible I did not see at all what he says

there are many sensationalist videos out there, but that is not proper behavior. Paul also outlines how the tongues should be used and the gifts are mainly for the building up of the body of Christ

this is such a wearisome thread.

 

[PennEd]

Ok...I am going to be honest her...
Please don`t come hard at me , I have no real understanding of what tongues mean yet , but I pray the Holy Spirit will teach me as He does daily...

This is what I thought tongues was from what I have read when I come across it in the bible...

Tongues were given to the Apostles so they could go out and preach the Word of God in all languages , to those in foreign countries that they travelled to that had not heard the good news...
Am I anyway near right , or on the right track ...xox...

Here ya go Rosemary:

 

[PennEd]

Pastor macArthur has LOT more to say on this issue, but you should get it from him, not one of his detractors:

 

[PennEd]

And again...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't know for sure EG. This all happened years ago. But, I do know from the rumors....they were healed.

The one I read about was his own wife. This was in the book I have here. His wife had died and he wouldn't let her go. He kept picking her up and making her stand against the wall until she came back to life. The last time she passed, she told him to let her go.

I would have to find the story to quote it accurately because like all stories they tend to get jumbled up some way when trying to recite them from memory.

But, I would ask you to do something some time EG. When you go to pray for someone who is sick, or needs ministry some way....fast 7 seven days and see what happens.

This is why I tend to believe Wigglesworth might of punched some one in the stomach. I won't post publicly anymore about these things. And no I never punched anyone.

I have prayed without fasting and seen Gods healing, Does this count sis?

 

[Rosemaryx]

Here ya go Rosemary:

Thanks Pen...
I actually understood more than I know , praise God...
I can see how satan counterfeits everything God does , and he has also done it with speaking in tongues , God is not a God of confusion...
People have taken tongues to their own extreme as we can see from the likes of those who claim it is from the Holy Spirit , it is so so sad...
I do not doubt for one second that God does not use people to speak in tongues , a great gift to have when God calls it to be used , but no way in this fashion , the Holy Spirit of God loves a quiet and gentle spirit ...

1 Peter 3:4 Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight.

 

[stonesoffire]

I have prayed without fasting and seen Gods healing, Does this count sis?

Of course. Faith always counts. But, you are asking about power. Thats denying flesh and acting in Spirit.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your opinion. Which of course you are entitled.

Lets cut to the chase, do you believe that Peter is saying in acts 2: 32 that remission of sin is obtained when we are water baptized, in other words. Water baptism saves.

 

[PennEd]

Thanks Pen...
I actually understood more than I know , praise God...
I can see how satan counterfeits everything God does , and he has also done it with speaking in tongues , God is not a God of confusion...
People have taken tongues to their own extreme as we can see from the likes of those who claim it is from the Holy Spirit , it is so so sad...
I do not doubt for one second that God does not use people to speak in tongues , a great gift to have when God calls it to be used , but no way in this fashion , the Holy Spirit of God loves a quiet and gentle spirit ...

1 Peter 3:4 Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight.

What you have stated here is exactly where many of us have started in this discussion. Not just in this thread. I agree COMPLETELY with your thinking here, but the more you talk about how maniacal endless laughter, rolling on the floor, barking like a dog, slain in the spirit by touching or waving your hand at somebody, or using violence to heal somebody, the more virulent the response will be from those that don't agree with you.

I also believe the Lord can use tongues and healing FOR HIS PURPOSES, on HIS timing, and NOT to satisfy someone's desire for an "experience". But that doesn't cut it with many. Be Blessed sister.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course. Faith always counts. But, you are asking about power. Thats denying flesh and acting in Spirit.

Um Did not my prayer have power? A girl was healed of emphysema, and 2 spots in her lungs which the doctors said was cancer, disappeared. The girl that was told had maybe 2 years to live has now lived over 10 years. Which no signs of those things ever returning?

My questioning was is throwing a baby to the ground from God? Did they act that way in the NT?