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If people made the tower that can actually reach heaven, God is so holy it's like the holy tabernacle times infinity
arrogance leads to destruction
God confuse their language because God love them, even if people don't understand that God confuse their language out of love.
God doesn't want to destroy sinners with his holy wrath, and back then, the tower of babel people don't understand that
arrogance leads to destruction
God confuse their language because God love them, even if people don't understand that God confuse their language out of love.
God doesn't want to destroy sinners with his holy wrath, and back then, the tower of babel people don't understand that
me: my faith is wavering
God: you would never be able to prove something supernatural using man-made proofs
me: um ...
God: you also wonder how to prove that safety exist, even if there's always at least the possibility of risk, based on statistic because "nothing is perfect" ... for the intelligent of the intelligent, I will frustrate (1 Cor 1:19)
me: um ...
God: faith is God's gift
God: you would never be able to prove something supernatural using man-made proofs
me: um ...
God: you also wonder how to prove that safety exist, even if there's always at least the possibility of risk, based on statistic because "nothing is perfect" ... for the intelligent of the intelligent, I will frustrate (1 Cor 1:19)
me: um ...
God: faith is God's gift
How omniscient is God?
good question, first of all, before I was even physically born, God knows that I will type something like this
God knows all possible hypotheticals
and no matter how technical man tries to be, God knows all their thoughts, and understand every technical idea man can possibly think of
man's free will can never out-match God's omniscience, praise God
infact, the secular idea that "whatever happens in vegas stays in vegas" is not true, (you read that right, "not true")
because even if it seems like God is not there, God is omnipresent, and God knows everything that happens in vegas
good question, first of all, before I was even physically born, God knows that I will type something like this
God knows all possible hypotheticals
and no matter how technical man tries to be, God knows all their thoughts, and understand every technical idea man can possibly think of
man's free will can never out-match God's omniscience, praise God
infact, the secular idea that "whatever happens in vegas stays in vegas" is not true, (you read that right, "not true")
because even if it seems like God is not there, God is omnipresent, and God knows everything that happens in vegas
God knows all possible evil thoughts that man can possibly think of (Matthew 15:19)
even the worst possible combination of evil, and yet ...
God's mind is still pure,
incorruptable
God is so holy, we fall short of God's glory
God is so powerful that even if the sins from Adam and Eve contaminate not only this universe but even multiple universes (because of how bad sin can be)
God is capable of protecting the purity and the holiness of heaven to the point where heaven can be like a sinless holy universe that can never be corrupted by sin because of how powerful God's radiant purity can be
even the worst possible combination of evil, and yet ...
God's mind is still pure,
incorruptable
God is so holy, we fall short of God's glory
God is so powerful that even if the sins from Adam and Eve contaminate not only this universe but even multiple universes (because of how bad sin can be)
God is capable of protecting the purity and the holiness of heaven to the point where heaven can be like a sinless holy universe that can never be corrupted by sin because of how powerful God's radiant purity can be
God is so capable of love that God will allow nations to continue to the point where the final last remainder of God's believer will be saved, the same way Noah was saved from Noah's flood. God will leave the 99 for that one lost sheep. God is love.
Stealthy.
You have powerful ninja skills.
I was specifically addressing infinite divisibility within spatial dimensions, as was originally raised in previous comments.
But if you want to completely shift my conversation away from it's original intent, and into a different dimension, I think we still end up in the same place.
Space is continuous but indivisible beyond a certain point, and time seems to work in the same way.
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God is so omnipresent, I can call upon him anytime I want
me: hi God
God: I see that you are trying to write out God's attributes
me: I am
God: want my help?
me: sure
God: I'll help you, ... God is so praiseworthy that words can never adequately praise him, saints can spend all eternity for the sole purpose of praising God and there's still many left to praise as God change from glory to glory, and souls will love heaven so much all they will think of is "more, more, more" because they really, really like being there.
me: hi God
God: I see that you are trying to write out God's attributes
me: I am
God: want my help?
me: sure
God: I'll help you, ... God is so praiseworthy that words can never adequately praise him, saints can spend all eternity for the sole purpose of praising God and there's still many left to praise as God change from glory to glory, and souls will love heaven so much all they will think of is "more, more, more" because they really, really like being there.
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Stealthy.
You have powerful ninja skills.
I was specifically addressing infinite divisibility within spatial dimensions, as was originally raised in previous comments.
But if you want to completely shift my conversation away from it's original intent, and into a different dimension, I think we still end up in the same place.
Space is continuous but indivisible beyond a certain point, and time seems to work in the same way.
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How can space be continuous which basically means endless but indivisible beyond a certain point is not continuous it is either continuous or not can’t say to a certain point makes no sense.
Thanks for that.
Because of the two ways to measure the literal measure of man, and the golden reed the measure of God as a metaphor. Again it would seem the measure of man as a messenger would represent that in which the eyes see, inches feet, miles. And the golden reed as a metaphor would convert that measurement of men into His bride the golden measure revealing the spiritual understanding as a picture of the church as his chaste virgin bride. The golden reed would indicate a parable is in view.
Rather than using solid ground as the measure of man for a building . Precious stones as the golden reed are used as those in the ceremonial laws.
Believers are the temple of God according to the golden reed of measure. The immeasurable using the measure of man .
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Your welcome
Well here’s my opinion, the Bible mentions these measurements so i believe God approves of these, like in the OT in which God instructs how to build the tabernacle by human measurements. these measurements on The New Jerusalem will be something we will recognize by what we experience now.
That would seem to be one place we have a difference.
In the old testament those measurements of men were used to represent the chaste virgin bride of Christ, the golden measure. It was used as parable for the time then as metaphor of the holy place.
There will be no bricks made from the rudiment of this creation in which God corrupted. We are the temple of God awaiting our new incorruptible bodies.(not flesh and blood) .Again that I believe world be the measure of men It could never replace the golden measure of God the true holy place not of here. But will appear in the new heavens and earth where there will be no night..
Even Jesus as the Son of man would not violate the immeasurable Love the Father had for Him, and stand in the holy place and therefore desecrate it as a abomination. He gave glory to the unseen father the golden measure found in parables .
The Holy Spirit is signifying (2 Corinthians 4:18) this, that the way into the holy place has not yet been disclosed while the [outer tabernacle is still standing, which is a symbol (parable) for the present time. Accordingly both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make the worshiper perfect in conscience, since they relate only to food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until a time of reformation.Hebrews 9: 8-10
Matthew 19:17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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We're just having a problem with terms.
"Continuous" is being used in it's physics sense, so it doesn't mean endless, it means "not comprised of separate and distinct parts."
"Indivisible beyond a certain point" is just a reference to Planck length (showing that things in the physical universe have finite limits).
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I haven’t read anywhere that continuous in its physics sense doesn’t mean endless.
con·tin·u·ous
/kənˈtinyo͞oəs/
adjective
1.
forming an unbroken whole; without interruption.
"the whole performance is enacted in one continuous movement"
synonyms: continual, uninterrupted, unbroken, constant, ceaseless, incessant, steady, sustained, solid, continuing, ongoing, unceasing, without a break, permanent, nonstop, round-the-clock, always-on, persistent, unremitting, relentless, unrelenting, unabating, unrelieved, without respite, endless, unending, never-ending, perpetual, without end, everlasting, eternal, interminable.
A plank can be divided from wood to open space on each end.
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My whole point of discussing physical space and time was not to get into an endless and fruitless conversation on philosophy of physics.
I was only trying to make one particular point.
There are odd beliefs that appear in the New Age Movement (think Gnosticism and various Eastern religions): you are infinite, you are therefore God, you are therefore the universe, blah blah blah. God is not a person, God is a concept of infinity, and YOU have the infinite within you... you therefore have God within you... you are therefore God, etc. etc.
(And on and on in meaningless circles. You get the idea.)
So when someone points at a physical object and says, "infinity exists within that object", even if they are Christian, and they're very smart, and they mean well, we probably need to reflect on that, and maybe rethink and reword things a bit.
We need to, as Christians, be carefully we don't QUITE ACCIDENTALLY take up propositions that support Eastern mysticism.
That's all.
That's the only reason I brought up these issues of time and space... it was merely to help us avoid stepping into propositions from Eastern mysticism.
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My whole point of discussing physical space and time was not to get into an endless and fruitless conversation on philosophy of physics.
I was only trying to make one particular point.
There are odd beliefs that appear in the New Age Movement (think Gnosticism and various Eastern religions): you are infinite, you are therefore God, you are therefore the universe, blah blah blah. God is not a person, God is a concept of infinity, and YOU have the infinite within you... you therefore have God within you... you are therefore God, etc. etc.
(And on and on in meaningless circles. You get the idea.)
So when someone points at a physical object and says, "infinity exists within that object", even if they are Christian, and they're very smart, and they mean well, we probably need to reflect on that, and maybe rethink and reword things a bit.
We need to, as Christians, be carefully we don't QUITE ACCIDENTALLY take up propositions that support Eastern mysticism.
That's all.
That's the only reason I brought up these issues of time and space... it was merely to help us avoid stepping into propositions from Eastern mysticism.
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