Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

[CS1]

You have the ability and authority to remove the post if you so choose. It's been more than the allotted 5 minutes for me.

Just asking you not to do it again.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I cannot fathom people who negate any and every experience had by those who are Holy Spirit filled

how do you get past the fact that scripture is chock full of the experiences of people from old to new testaments?

such a silly silly response from those who purport to be so firm on the Bible

if the experience lines up with scripture, which most do, then are you jealous or calling people a liar?

I have no doubt this bias against biblical experience in the lives of those living today has not been well thought out by those who seem to think it is the final word on whether or not something is of God or not

you might as well tell Peter he didn't stand up at Pentecost, preach and see over 3000 added to the body of Christ that day

Could be stuff like this.

 

[SpoonJuly]

Ain't this horse dead yet?

 

[CS1]

Broski could you PM me?

If not, I have been dying to tell you this so I will say it here: I want to apologize to you. I apologize! I completely misunderstood and misinterpreted the situation and thought you were going at me personally, I noticed you said the same thing to another user, therefore you were just doing your moderation duties. Im sorry and I learned from that experience to not get so emotional and riled up. (atleast im trying to ). Sorry bro! We believe a lot of the same things. We cool?

HI Hevosmies358,

nothing to apologize for. I really don't remember what it was about. I am really easy going lol

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Ain't this horse dead yet?

Yes but like all subjects around here it don't matter if the horse is dead, what matters is that there is still something remaining to kick.

 

[CS1]

Look Kelby this is not the point. You interprete acts 10 as proof that every christian is speaking in tongues by getting the Holy Spirit and create a teaching from that event.
I interprete the text as it is written. An proof that the Holy Spirit is as well given the gentiles as it was given to the jews. A thing which was unthinkable till this moment for the jews. And Peter had a lot of problems this to believe, even latér when he visited Paul in galatia.

well, actually it is the point. If what we see in Acts as one was filled with the Holy did 1. speak in tongues or 2. prophesied, and it is seen as a normative, that can be a very strong argument as speaking tongues or prophesying as the initial evidence of one being empowered by the Holy Spirit. You do not have to agree and it could be wrong yet that thought would not be unbiblical. AS the Book of Acts records them all o more than three times and then taught in 1cor chapter 12 to 14.

 

[CS1]

What more contrition is required than to recognize the authority of the one who offered correction, accepting the correction, and admitting that it don't belong and asking the only one with authority to do so to remove it?
Isn't that the very image of what a Christian is?

Or is it the rankor of mercilessness displayed here by you?

no, it just shows you are rude and lack maturity. I can remove it as I can you too.

 

[CS1]

Could be stuff like this.

this is overly emotional and it is cultural.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I knew the following experience came directly from God due to Paul's insight about Spiritual gifts in 1 Corinthians:

A few years back God imparted the Spiritual gift of tongues upon me that was interpreted by another for edification of the church body. I had not been seeking the gift, however, while praising God in the worship service He decided to flow through me and speak a message to the congregation.

As I was praising God I could feel His presence stronger than in times past; so strong in fact, I sensed something was definitely different but had no idea what was going on. As I praised the Lord someone to my left began to speak in tongues. I remember thinking Lord if that is what you wanted me to do I would have done that. Immediately the individual stopped speaking. I felt what can only be described as an internal explosion; a feeling of complete fullness that my body could not contain. To my utter dismay the fullness began pouring out in the form of tongues. There I was, normally the shy, quiet one, loudly proclaiming half of a message that was afterward interpreted for God’s children. I say half, because the interpretation began, and part way through, the message continued after a short pause. The proclaimed message began with the other individual and was picked up and concluded through me.

On the drive home I could not help re-living the incident over, and over in my mind. I was amazed at what had occurred. I questioned the Lord about the explosive feeling. His answer was, “I consumed the sacrifice.” I was in awe. I realized that God would only use my vocal cords to speak to His people if I was willing for Him to do so.

Who are we to limit or even understand the will of the Father. You were blessed by the Spirit moving
through you, and your heart glorified God. Sometimes I wonder about our control and our understanding
because in the end all that is truly significant is the Lord and His moving.

The fact the desires our hearts and our communion is such a privilege, such a blessing He chooses such
as us to move.

And often what is shared is no different than scripture, but the Lord is underlining it in the context of
His people and that assembly of His people. It is like having ones wife saying I love you, even when
you know it is true, saying it has a massive impact. Amen.

 

[Wansvic]

But you WEREN’T edified. How could you have been if you don’t even know what you said.

As has been said many times before, God is not a God of confusion. That you didn’t care what God had said through you, and was just blown away by the experiential feelings you got, is a little concerning.

What did you say? How did it edify anybody? Why hasn’t the person that said they understood you told you? Why didn’t YOU understand what you said?

Prior to God operating through me with the Spiritual gift of tongues, I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of tongues. After the incident described I knew the difference between the two.

The purpose of what occurred had nothing to do with me being edified, it was for the edification of the church body.

I did not understand the words pouring forth from me because I was speaking in an unknown tongue that was then interpreted by the pastor. I clearly heard him reciting the interpretation and even noticed him pause in the middle of a sentence. Afterward realizing the pause was the brief moment between the other individual's tongues stopping and mine beginning.

As I said, at the time the effects of God's Spirit pouring into my body left me overwhelmed.

If someone has to understand every aspect of something before they will submit to it they will receive nothing from God.

Heb 11:4
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Speaking in tongues in clearly biblical. And ss Paul states one edifies the individual and one edifies the church body.

1 Cor 12:10
...to another divers kinds of tongues

1 Cor 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Cor 14:5
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

After making the above statements, Paul goes on to say there are brethren that are equipped with different things for the furtherance of the gospel; if one speaks in an unknown tongue do it and let one interpret; and if there is no interpreter one can speak in tongues to himself and God:

1 Cor 14:26-28
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

this is overly emotional and it is cultural.

I guess my point is that this is probably part of the reason that many call into question claims to have an "experience" with God. This stuff is common here in the USA with the more extreme charismatic churches.

 

[cv5]

< Speaks in Tongues. Understands how to get connected via the Holy Spirit, and to be that Live Wire that allows God to work through me.

Just a bystander in this thread watching the responses. Will chime in if/when I see misuse of scripture trying to prove Tongues has ceased. Just love those who believe Tongues has ceased. It's nice to see just whom our weaker Brothers/Sisters in Christ are, and exactly who lacks the true power of God.

There is nothing in scripture stating tongues have ceased. However, there is practically zero evidence that tongues are operative today.....

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Just asking you not to do it again.

What happened to this that is became

no, it just shows you are rude and lack maturity. I can remove it as I can you too.

Honestly?

 

[Locoponydirtman]

There is nothing in scripture stating tongues have ceased. However, there is practically zero evidence that tongues are operative today.....

Scripture is clear on this matter, spiritual gifts are real. They are for ministry purposes. There is no reason to believe anything different. If we see less of the spiritual gifts in operation that would be up to God in his divine wisdom, but there is no indication that they have ceased altogether, and no reason for us to make the assertion.

 

[CS1]

I guess my point is that this is probably part of the reason that many calls into question claims to have an "experience" with God. This stuff is common here in the USA with the more extreme charismatic churches.

I agree with you on that and they should question it too. I do not agree that is common with all Pentecostals and Charismatics. I have been in the minister for over 25 years and saved and filled with the Holy Spirit since 1982. I was taught that was inappropriate behavior in a church setting in accordance with 1cor chapter 14: 39-40. The video was in area culturally where expression like this was common. Notice the congo drums playing? That is not a norm in Pentecostal churches LOL

 

[CS1]

What happened to this that is became

Honestly?

context to your response to another member where I said that. If you go back and read what you said, it will be completely clear. However, we can too let the last comment go and move on?

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I agree with you on that and they should question it too. I do not agree that is common with all Pentecostals and Charismatics. I have been in the minister for over 25 years and saved and filled with the Holy Spirit since 1982. I was taught that was inappropriate behavior in a church setting in accordance with 1cor chapter 14: 39-40. The video was in area culturally where expression like this was common. Notice the congo drums playing? That is not a norm in Pentecostal churches LOL

It wouldn't be fair to say all because it won't be true, with the extreme it happens. I have to say it's not nearly as common now as it was back in the 80s. I think this fill is from Brazil. I can post one from here in America, but it's not for the point of embarrassing anyone. It's just to say that when this kind of stuff happens it casts a shadow on the whole. Kind of like when some Baptists were so strict about silly stuff such as dancing. It wasn't all but those outliers cast a long shadow.
I grew up Baptist, then joined a non-denominational Pentecostal leaning type church. That church kind of fell flat chasing a vision that was I guess was not of God. They sold their church building where they were floundering but making it and rented a much bigger one that ended up being bought by the near by University and torn down. They got real demanding of non paid staff until I just left. Then I found Calvary chapel and really liked it there. They were the ones who bought the church building that my prior church left, but I ended up moving to Texas. Here there are 4 Calvary chapels but they are too far of a drive. So I go to a Baptist Church were the pastor believes in the gifts of the spirit. I think I have found my balance there. Maybe.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Could be stuff like this.

how original

does that give you and others license to simply dismiss the biblical account?

ps...did not watch the vid. I've seen too many posted by anti-tongues folk

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Speaking in an unknown tongue is scriptural as witnessed by Paul's teaching in 1 Corinthians.

You say you would have reacted differently than I; maybe, maybe not. Try to imagine what it would feel like to have God pour His Spirit directly into your body in an instant. It is not possible. It is overwhelming. The awe inspiring experience cannot be understood by those who have not experienced it.
Because I never pursued the gift, nor discussed the specifics of the experience with anyone that operated in the gift of tongues it was a complete shocker.

Would I like to know what God said that day? Yes.

However, as I said the experience confirmed God still uses His Spiritual gifts to display His presence in our world.

first of all, they try to say it isn't scriptural

then they say you did not act like them

just absurd IMO

'they', who never had the experience you did, fancy you did it wrong

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Ain't this horse dead yet?

well it is for you apparently

so?