The harlot in revelation that rides the beast

[Ahwatukee]

Yeah. I do hold that those with an amillennial, preterist view, at the core are anti semites.

I've tangled with those doctrines before, so I have no illusions of convincing those who hold them of their error.

My 1st post was really intended for those that are unsure or confused. I'd highly recommend Dave Hunt's "A woman rides the beast" if they are interested in a very thorough examination of this issue. Here is a cursory look at his book.

I would agree PennEd. Dave Hunts book is very revealing regarding Roman Catholicism, its beginnings and her role in the future as the that woman who rides the beast.

As usual, Tanakh does not know what he is talking about. All of the clues that are written in Revelation are all pointing to the false church of Roman Catholicism. And yes RaptureChris, the woman who rides the beast is indeed Roman Catholicism.

As I previously pointed out, the woman, that city that sits on seven hills, also called Babylon the great, is destroyed during the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, so much so that no one will be able to inhabit it. Where in opposition, we see that the camp of God's people, the city that He loves, which can only be referring to Jerusalem, is in habited during the millennial period, with Gog and Magog surrounding her at the end of the thousand years and therefore, Jerusalem cannot be the woman of Rev.17 & 18.

Being dressed in purple and scarlet is just one more clue to who the woman is and it is not Israel:

 

[Lanolin]

Sorry to bring this up but thought I would just find a thread that was already talking about this than make a new one.

It seems there are two opinions of the identity of mystery Babylon.

1. Jerusalem
2. Rome


I cant make up my mind which one makes sense. Certainly Jerusalem in kings solomons day was wealthy. And it was captured by the Babylonians. So if revelation details the past then it could be talking about that.
But if its future, why would it be Rome? I dont know if Rome controlled a lot of kings. What do people living in Rome actually think about this...? Do they know that others believe they are mystery babylon and do they care? Has anyone warned these people that Gods going to send a plague that will destroy her in one day?
Is Rome really the centre of all trade?

 

[jb]

Sorry to bring this up but thought I would just find a thread that was already talking about this than make a new one.

I posted a thread on this subject a while ago, you can find it Here

 

[tanakh]

Israel is NOT drunk on the Blood of the Saints! The harlot is not Israel.

The same that is drunk on the Blood of the Saints, got absolutely plastered on the Blood of the Jews throughout history.

The harlot is the false Church.

You are reading Revelation from a 21st Century perspective not from the 1st Century perspective when Revelation was written.
Then Israel had a history of persecution of saints. Jesus told the leadership that the blood of every righteous man from Abel
to Zechariah would fall on the nation and it did in AD 70 Matthew 23. The 1st Century Church was persecuted by Jewish unbelievers read Acts and Paul's letters. That's why the Whore of Babylon is clothed as a Jewish High Priest. Revelation was written to people being persecuted by both none believing Jews and Roman authorities in the first century. The Roman Catholic Church and other established churches that have persecuted Jews didn't exist then.

 

[KnowMe]

the harlot bucked off for the enemy cares for none.

 

[MattforJesus]

Sorry to bring this up but thought I would just find a thread that was already talking about this than make a new one.

It seems there are two opinions of the identity of mystery Babylon.

1. Jerusalem
2. Rome


I cant make up my mind which one makes sense. Certainly Jerusalem in kings solomons day was wealthy. And it was captured by the Babylonians. So if revelation details the past then it could be talking about that.
But if its future, why would it be Rome? I dont know if Rome controlled a lot of kings. What do people living in Rome actually think about this...? Do they know that others believe they are mystery babylon and do they care? Has anyone warned these people that Gods going to send a plague that will destroy her in one day?
Is Rome really the centre of all trade?

Mystery, Babylon the Great, which will have the ways of the Babylon of old, and a certain nation will cause it to come back to life, the daughter of Babylon.

They lived deliciously, and in pleasure, and did trade with the world, and prospered them economically.

Represents all the false religions of the world.

Has a system that is anything goes multiculturism, allowing all religions to be practiced there, all ethnic groups to be included in her nation, worldliness, and fleshy pleasures, and money, and material things flowing through her, would work in the world more than any other nation, and promote peace more than any other nation.

And since this nation allows all religions to be practiced they allow the God of Israel to be worshipped, along with all gods that people follow, and all their religious ways.

For the old Babylon acknowledged the God of Israel for a while until they blew it, and the kingdom stripped from them, but they also believed in many gods, and religious ways, but they prospered for putting the God of Israel first among the gods.

So the nation that caused Babylon to come back to life acknowledges the God of Israel, but also allows all religions to be practiced, but although she has falseness she still prospered because they allowed the God of Israel to be worshipped, but like the Babylon of old they will abandon the truth like the Babylon of old.

So this nation that is the initiator of why Babylon comes back to life works in the world more than any other nation, did trade with the world, lived deliciously, and in pleasure, had an abundance of money, and material things, allowed religious diversity, ethnic diversity, mingling with them all, worldliness, and fleshy pleasures, and prosperity above all nations.

Does that sound like Jerusalem, or Rome, for it sounds like another nation to me, and we know what is going on in the world, so it is easy to know which nation it is, which she states announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one, on her money.

But the Pope, and the Vatican will head up the unified religious system representing all the false religions, as the Pope is the spiritual leader of it, and the Vatican, the headquarters, giving heed to the new age movement interpretation of the Bible.

So the Pope, and the Vatican, are going along with that nation, but they will introduce it slowly, and when they have a different Pope he will go along with the new age movement false interpretation of the Bible.

But many Catholics will not follow that Pope, but he will still have the support of the other religions, who will have no problem giving heed to him, for he is saying Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but the Bible was about evolution all along, and Jesus evolved to be an ascended master, and avatar, like they can be when the New Age Christ appears claiming to be God by harnessing the power of nature.

The people who will not follow that Pope when the religions come together is fundamental Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, but they have interpreted them according to the new age movement, and will go against all people that hold unto an interpretation of religion contrary to them.

 

[KnowMe]

Mystery, Babylon the Great, which will have the ways of the Babylon of old, and a certain nation will cause it to come back to life, the daughter of Babylon.

They lived deliciously, and in pleasure, and did trade with the world, and prospered them economically.

Represents all the false religions of the world.

Has a system that is anything goes multiculturism, allowing all religions to be practiced there, all ethnic groups to be included in her nation, worldliness, and fleshy pleasures, and money, and material things flowing through her, would work in the world more than any other nation, and promote peace more than any other nation.

And since this nation allows all religions to be practiced they allow the God of Israel to be worshipped, along with all gods that people follow, and all their religious ways.

For the old Babylon acknowledged the God of Israel for a while until they blew it, and the kingdom stripped from them, but they also believed in many gods, and religious ways, but they prospered for putting the God of Israel first among the gods.

So the nation that caused Babylon to come back to life acknowledges the God of Israel, but also allows all religions to be practiced, but although she has falseness she still prospered because they allowed the God of Israel to be worshipped, but like the Babylon of old they will abandon the truth like the Babylon of old.

So this nation that is the initiator of why Babylon comes back to life works in the world more than any other nation, did trade with the world, lived deliciously, and in pleasure, had an abundance of money, and material things, allowed religious diversity, ethnic diversity, mingling with them all, worldliness, and fleshy pleasures, and prosperity above all nations.

Does that sound like Jerusalem, or Rome, for it sounds like another nation to me, and we know what is going on in the world, so it is easy to know which nation it is, which she states announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one, on her money.

But the Pope, and the Vatican will head up the unified religious system representing all the false religions, as the Pope is the spiritual leader of it, and the Vatican, the headquarters, giving heed to the new age movement interpretation of the Bible.

So the Pope, and the Vatican, are going along with that nation, but they will introduce it slowly, and when they have a different Pope he will go along with the new age movement false interpretation of the Bible.

But many Catholics will not follow that Pope, but he will still have the support of the other religions, who will have no problem giving heed to him, for he is saying Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but the Bible was about evolution all along, and Jesus evolved to be an ascended master, and avatar, like they can be when the New Age Christ appears claiming to be God by harnessing the power of nature.

The people who will not follow that Pope when the religions come together is fundamental Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, but they have interpreted them according to the new age movement, and will go against all people that hold unto an interpretation of religion contrary to them.

Is there a certain ethnic group you feel shouldn’t be included? what does race have to do with anything?

 

[PennEd]

You are reading Revelation from a 21st Century perspective not from the 1st Century perspective when Revelation was written.
Then Israel had a history of persecution of saints. Jesus told the leadership that the blood of every righteous man from Abel
to Zechariah would fall on the nation and it did in AD 70 Matthew 23. The 1st Century Church was persecuted by Jewish unbelievers read Acts and Paul's letters. That's why the Whore of Babylon is clothed as a Jewish High Priest. Revelation was written to people being persecuted by both none believing Jews and Roman authorities in the first century. The Roman Catholic Church and other established churches that have persecuted Jews didn't exist then.

Iv'e already addressed every point here. Rather than being repetitive, please read the thread. Especially posts #8 & 38.

 

[tanakh]

I would agree PennEd. Dave Hunts book is very revealing regarding Roman Catholicism, its beginnings and her role in the future as the that woman who rides the beast.

As usual, Tanakh does not know what he is talking about. All of the clues that are written in Revelation are all pointing to the false church of Roman Catholicism. And yes RaptureChris, the woman who rides the beast is indeed Roman Catholicism.

As I previously pointed out, the woman, that city that sits on seven hills, also called Babylon the great, is destroyed during the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, so much so that no one will be able to inhabit it. Where in opposition, we see that the camp of God's people, the city that He loves, which can only be referring to Jerusalem, is in habited during the millennial period, with Gog and Magog surrounding her at the end of the thousand years and therefore, Jerusalem cannot be the woman of Rev.17 & 18.

Being dressed in purple and scarlet is just one more clue to who the woman is and it is not Israel:

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[CharliRenee]

maybe am too young to enter this discussion...or not the right person to join in i think...
its a scary place

What you are is brave. These topics shows how much, in my case anyway, how much I still need to learn. I believe we just need to be patient. We will be with Him forever, if we believe and receive Him. Just take your time and be patient with yourself and His timing to bring His Revealing. Just let the truth of Jeremiah 15:16 envelope you. Keep praying and reading. Hugs dear. God Bless you.

 

[CharliRenee]

i have wrestled over Scriptures for myself ...there was a time when i found myself repeatedly indulging in sinning..and it became habitual...the inner me was saying 'don't sin the next time...make strategies not to sin...make sure you don't sin'...and yet the next time i felt tempted to sin , i indulged in sinning...the more i thought not to sin, the more did i want to sin...it was a dreadful battle....and so there were ups and downs for me in the past 3 years of this struggle...the ups when i received encouragement from God that He is still by my side...the downs when i still kept sinning. This whole struggle slowly ...dragged me down to depression...pointlessness and futility in living this life. On the 11th of this month , i was diagnosed of depression , and put on antidepressants. Now before you say anything about my antidepressants let me tell you...there were some online Christians who were telling me not to take them...and i refused to listen to my own dad who is a physician and took their advise and refused to take the meds but what....no improvement...i had panicky sensations , felt tremendous anxiety . Now i had listened to them and finally talked to a counsellor and am in these meds....panic has come down and there is some improvement but depression still persists ... i mean sometimes it is too much...and it is triggered only when i think about Sprituality , life , the futility of living, eternity...when questions about life seep into my mind...when i feel so helpless and feel my contribution to save humanity is so less...and that everything seems out of control and unbalanced...depression seeps in. Actually there might be better words in the dictionary to describe my feelings better.
God has encouraged me in my journey and i can say His encouragements might be the very reason i am alive ...breathing...and not in despair. But like many other times...i come to a stand still like i currently feel i am..in a state of confusion ...dont know where to go...dont know who is right. Yeah you might ask me to go and read my Bible...but man...oh my my...am fearing to do even that. The Bible has been the source of great encouragement to me in my life...the psalms...especially i remember how God spoke to me through psalm 116 one night. Yea...but i guess its my depression that just deprives me of the interest to pursue anymore , to go on anymore....also the confusions , the different opinions , the fact that no one has even arrived at a conclusion regarding certain things...may be the reason... ''may be''... i donno the exact etiology. You see , this is the confusion..i dont even know the exact cause of my plight.

Your transparency is refreshing. I love that you continue to reach for His sufficiency. I want you to know dear Milee that I am praying for you and will continue to. You continue to reach out to Him and to others who love Jesus, and who care for you. I am sorry that you are struggling, truly. Hugs.

 

[tanakh]

To Awatatukee

So according to you I don't know what I am talking about. Then I am in good company because the members of the seven churches wouldn't have known what you were talking about either. When do you think the Roman Catholic Church started? It certainly wasn't around when Revelation was written whatever date you choose. Also check which nation/city was called a whore by the Prophets such as Ezekiel. Which priesthood dressed in purple and wore a plate with an inscription on their forehead ?. In Christs day the Jewish leadership were in league with Rome and certainly rode the beast right up until the Jewish war. That was one reason they had Christ crucified because they feared the loss of their power and privileges. In Revelation Jerusalem is symbolised as a Babylonian whore and a parody of a Jewish high Priest.
Apart from that it gets a bad press as Egypt and Sodom. The two witnesses are killed there and the Antichrists image is set up
there as well not I notice in Vatican city.