Discussing Noah's Flood - Mysteries & Theories

[2Pillars]

2Pillars: >>>Flood totally destroyed Adam's world. Gen 6:13-Gen 9:11-Isa 24:20-2Pe 2:5-2Pe 3:6. Since the worldwide flood did NOT destroy our world, Scripture is obviously speaking of another world. <<<

2Pillars said: Note: EDITED AND INCOMPLETE QUOTE:
Since the worldwide flood did NOT destroy our world

the world the ark came to rest on had been covered with water.

He sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded.​

(Genesis 8:1)​

By the first day of the first month of Noah’s six hundred and first year,​

the water had dried up from the earth. ​

(Genesis 8:13)​

​

rewriting the Bible to fit ones personal imaginations is not a good idea.

Malicious Edition of quotes is being dishonest and is a bad idea. See again the complete quote above.

 

[PennEd]

First of all, I don't do drugs nor I have anything to do with Arnold Murray's flawed doctrinal teachings as well.

Now, let me strongly suggest that you review all my postings on this thread before you open up your big mouth piece again, since, I am tired repeating myself REFUTING the same Goatherder's Theology that you also subscribe... Obviously, you can NOT support your view with our Scripture that's is why you are using another book based on WILD IMAGINATION of men..

In fact your own cited text Gen. 6:3 should disprove your wild imagination with regards to this matter I have already tackled previously... see my quotes below..

QUOTE="2Pillars>>>>>>>
[Gen 6:1-3 KJV] 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,. v2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with Man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Obviously, the Lord was totally disgusted to see the daughters of men forming a union of marriage with the prehistoric beings or sons of God. Gen 6:3 since the Lord knows that those combinations would produce men of brutish beast - mighty men of old. Therefore, the Lord cuts mankind's lifespan to a 90% or 120 years duration only. The more older the Heathens get, the more meaner they get.

FYI, Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are Made of FLESH-- however, Angels are Eternal spiritual beings and NOT made of Flesh as document in the Scripture above - Gen 6:3

Btw, also, Angels do NOT Die since they are made Eternal spiritual beings and NOT FLESH just like prehistoric mankind in order to cut their lifespan to 90% or up 120 years old lifespan duration - as stated in the cited text above Gen 6:3. <<<<<<<<<END OF QUOTE

Of course, IF you believe in Macro-Evolution then let me know and I will also going be happy to REFUTE your flawed understanding of the same..



For your additional learning as well, please see and review my post #59.... which speaks of the prehistoric creatures/mankind.
see link.. https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-noahs-flood-mysteries-theories.184565/page-3

Again, the reasons Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are called “sons of God“ is because, in the eyes of the God, they were innocent creatures / beings (who do not have the knowledge of “good and evil”) …. who also received the blessings from God (Trinity) on the 5th Day - to be fruitful and multiply (Gen 1:22-23). - the same blessing also given also to A&E on the 6th Day when they were created in the image and likeness of God. Gen 1:26-27 and 5:1-3

Read and learn:

Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Wow!
I have not seen such error upon error since I've been here at CC!

 

[2Pillars]

Wow!
I have not seen such error upon error since I've been here at CC!

That's all you can do - disagree to my post - simply because you also have nothing to show except bluff.

Do you want to try to tell us EVERYTHING you know about the continuing topic? I am sure you can do it in a minute... that's all you need.

 

[PennEd]

That's all you can do - disagree to my post - simply because you also have nothing to show except bluff

Dude. You are not open to correction.

I like being out in left field. I go there often. But you are so far away from even left field, that you are in a field by yourself!

So many vain imaginings, and private interpretations, I wouldn't even know where to start with you. But it wouldn't matter, be cause you aren't open for correction.

 

[2Pillars]

Dude. You are not open to correction.

I like being out in left field. I go there often. But you are so far away from even left field, that you are in a field by yourself!

So many vain imaginings, and private interpretations, I wouldn't even know where to start with you. But it wouldn't matter, be cause you aren't open for correction.

See, I have anticipated correctly... YOU HAVE NOTHING BUT BLUFF..... Okay.... BYE...... AND HAVE A NICE DAY....

 

[posthuman]

2Pillars: >>>Flood totally destroyed Adam's world. Gen 6:13-Gen 9:11-Isa 24:20-2Pe 2:5-2Pe 3:6. Since the worldwide flood did NOT destroy our world, Scripture is obviously speaking of another world. <<<

2Pillars said: Note: EDITED AND INCOMPLETE QUOTE:
Since the worldwide flood did NOT destroy our world





Malicious Edition of quotes is being dishonest and is a bad idea. See again the complete quote above.

translation :

he has no answer, but he wants to talk anyway

 

[posthuman]

Genesis 8:8
Then he sent out a dove to see if the water had receded from the surface of the ground.

 

[posthuman]

Psalms 104:5-9

He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.
You covered it with the watery depths as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains.
But at Your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of Your thunder they took to flight;
they flowed over the mountains, they went down into the valleys, to the place You assigned for them.
You set a boundary they cannot cross; never again will they cover the earth.

 

[Blik]

We have established that 2Pillar isn't correct, but nothing definite about Noah's floord.

I think that it is important that we accept Enoch when that book tells us why God chose the flood for our world. Enoch explains how the human race became so evil it needed to be started over, and that explanation fits all other scripture.

Understanding what Enoch has to say about it requires a knowledge of angels, what they are, what their work is, what the three orders of angels are, and how fallen angels work. When I posted about it I got a lot of flack about angels from people who knew almost nothing about them and made false claims.

Enoch tells us that the flood happened because fallen angels had children with humans that were so evil they had to be eliminated.

 

[2Pillars]

We have established that 2Pillar isn't correct, but nothing definite about Noah's floord.

I think that it is important that we accept Enoch when that book tells us why God chose the flood for our world. Enoch explains how the human race became so evil it needed to be started over, and that explanation fits all other scripture.

Understanding what Enoch has to say about it requires a knowledge of angels, what they are, what their work is, what the three orders of angels are, and how fallen angels work. When I posted about it I got a lot of flack about angels from people who knew almost nothing about them and made false claims.

Enoch tells us that the flood happened because fallen angels had children with humans that were so evil they had to be eliminated.

Yeah right.... Keep dreaming .... Sorry, but you have NOT establish anything... not even a single jot you were able to refute my post directly. Don't fool yourself.

 

[2Pillars]

Dear Readers,

God told Noah that He was going to destroy the violent people of Adam's Earth WITH THE EARTH. Gen 6:13

God confirm in the NT, that He SPARED NOT the old world (kosmos): 2Pe 2:5 but saved Noah and his family who were in the Ark.

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

The Ark which was covered, floated out the top of Adam's firmament into the largest Lake in the area (Lake Van) when the windows of their heaven opened and the flood gates of waters rushes in the firmament,.... as the firmament sank, it released the Ark into our world - thus, Adam’s world was totally destroyed / dissolved in the Global Flood.

The fact is, When Noah’ Ark was above the highest mountains on Adam's Earth - 150 days after the flood began Gen 7:20-24. The Ark end up on the surface of Lake Van, Turkey - in the mountains of Ararat on THE SAME 150 days after the flood began. Gen 8:4

When Noah and his family arrived on our present earth and settled down, God told Noah after the Flood that He would never again DESTROY THE EARTH in a FLOOD. Gen 9:11 Instead, God speaks of the heavens and Earth WHICH ARE NOW which will be burned 2Pe 3:7.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire

God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Adam Earth or World was surrounded with waters, above and below it… Our World is surrounded by Star Dust and has never and will never be destroyed in a Flood, but instead, reserve for fire and will be burned. ll Peter 3:10.

God bless

 

[posthuman]

Dear Readers,

God told Noah that He was going to destroy the violent people of Adam's Earth WITH THE EARTH. Gen 6:13

God confirm in the NT, that He SPARED NOT the old world (kosmos): 2Pe 2:5 but saved Noah and his family who were in the Ark.

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

The Ark which was covered, floated out the top of Adam's firmament into the largest Lake in the area (Lake Van) when the windows of their heaven opened and the flood gates of waters rushes in the firmament,.... as the firmament sank, it released the Ark into our world - thus, Adam’s world was totally destroyed / dissolved in the Global Flood.

The fact is, When Noah’ Ark was above the highest mountains on Adam's Earth - 150 days after the flood began Gen 7:20-24. The Ark end up on the surface of Lake Van, Turkey - in the mountains of Ararat on THE SAME 150 days after the flood began. Gen 8:4

When Noah and his family arrived on our present earth and settled down, God told Noah after the Flood that He would never again DESTROY THE EARTH in a FLOOD. Gen 9:11 Instead, God speaks of the heavens and Earth WHICH ARE NOW which will be burned 2Pe 3:7.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire

God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Adam Earth or World was surrounded with waters, above and below it… Our World is surrounded by Star Dust and has never and will never be destroyed in a Flood, but instead, reserve for fire and will be burned. ll Peter 3:10.

God bless

LOL BBQ?


Isaiah 54:9
To me this is like the days of Noah, when I swore that the waters of Noah would never again cover the earth. So now I have sworn not to be angry with you, never to rebuke you again.

 

[Dino246]

The DNA code shows that today's Humans are a combination of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants. This agrees in every way with Genesis 6:4 which shows that this combination was on Adam's world (Cain's wife) AND "also after that" Gen 10:10 on the present Earth. Gen 6:4

No it doesn't. DNA cannot show anything of the sort.

 

[2Pillars]

The Physical Making of the 1st Heaven - Adam’s World - based on the Scripture:

God tells us He made a firmament or boundary of the first heaven on the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:6-8 This defines heaven since God called the firmament heaven.

The firmament was empty, containing only air, since we are told in the New Testament that it was "in the water and out of the water" which indicates that it was floating in water. 2 Peter 3 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

God spins the water from under the firmament and brings it into the enclosure.

Gen 1:9 ¶And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, ....

The water is contained in the bottom of the Biosphere.

..... and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

We know that God spun the water to bring it into the firmament because He called the waters "Seas" which in Hebrew means a roaring, the sound made when the waters were twisted in order to bring them into the Biosphere.

The dry land was placed into the firmament and was on top of the water, with the sky above. This Earth, the Earth of Adam, was very FLAT. It's highest point is only 22 1/2 feet above sea level, Genesis 7 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version) and the entire Earth had only 4 Rivers while the present Earth has thousands, indicating it was much smaller than our Earth.

Is there any wonder that ancient man believed the stories of a Flat Earth? Put dry land on top of water in an enclosed Biosphere and you will also find that Genesis 1:9-10 describes a Flat Earth.

It's the Flat Earth of Adam which was "clean dissolved" in the waters of a Universal Flood. Isaiah 24:1

[Isa 24:1 KJV] 1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

 

[posthuman]

It's the Flat Earth of Adam which was "clean dissolved" in the waters of a Universal Flood. Isaiah 24:1

[Isa 24:1 KJV] 1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

this verse is not past tense.

furthermore -

The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. ​

(Isaiah 24:5-6) ​

it is speaking of a judgement of fire (("burned")), not water, for breaking a covenant, transgressing laws and changing ordinances.

also..

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.​

And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.​

Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.​

(Isaiah 24:21-23)​

"in that day" that this takes place angels will be judged, and cast into a pit for many days -- and the LORD Himself will reign in Jerusalem. ((o look! another proof Christ is God! ))

1,000 years sound like many days to anyone..?

 

[2Pillars]

this verse is not past tense.

furthermore -

The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. ​

(Isaiah 24:5-6) ​

it is speaking of a judgement of fire (("burned")), not water, for breaking a covenant, transgressing laws and changing ordinances.

also..

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.​

And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.​

Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.​

(Isaiah 24:21-23)​

"in that day" that this takes place angels will be judged, and cast into a pit for many days -- and the LORD Himself will reign in Jerusalem. ((o look! another proof Christ is God! ))

1,000 years sound like many days to anyone..?

Wrong... It's also part of the introduction of the prophecy of SNARE or TRAP (Isa 24:18-20) on the Last Days Debates that God set-up during the flood to catch those WILLINGLY IGNORANT unbelievers like you who don't believe that the 1st World (Adam's Heaven and Earth) that THEN WAS being overflowed with water perished (Greek- Totally Destroyed).

See my previous post below....

That’s exactly why I described the Prophecy of Isaiah 24:18 -20 as a “Double Edge Sword” which was also set up as a Snare or Trap....to catch those willingly ignorant Unbelievers and Pretenders of this last Days about the total destruction of Adam’s Earth (dissolved; kaput; gone forever ) during the Noah’s flood - in my previous post #10.

See link Post # 10 https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/discussing-noahs-flood-mysteries-theories.184565/

Isa 24:18-20 is like a double edge sword.... and speaking of Noah’s Flood, since this is obviously the account of the 1st Earth being clean dissolved in water when the windows of their heaven were opened. It's speaking of Adam's world being completely destroyed in water during the Flood.

It is also set up as a Snare or Trap....to catch those willingly ignorant unbelievers of this last days.

Here’s the context of the snare or a trap, below.

Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. v19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. v20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe that all the inhabitants thereof (except those in the Ark)... together with the 1st Earth were totally destroyed / dissolved in the flood.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: v6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed, totally)

These verses from the Old and New Testament confirm that Adam's world, the world that then was, was totally destroyed in the Flood..... and that the heavens and earth which are now, will also be dissolved by fire.

Scoffers, of the end of time, will choose to be "willingly ignorant" of this event which Isaiah describes.

In fact, the same word (”dissolved” )- is used again and kept in store to describe the upcoming prophecy of the new heaven and earth which are now, reserved for fire - and will melt and shall be “dissolved” , by its fervent heat.(not by flood)

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store ("dissolved") , reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2PE 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? [/QUOTE]

 

[posthuman]

the prophecy of SNARE or TRAP

The arrogant have dug pits for me
(Psalm 119:85) ​

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The wicked have laid a snare for me
(Psalm 119:110)​

​

The proud have hidden a trap for me
(Psalm 140:5)​

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wicked men are found among My people, they watch like fowlers lying in wait; ​

they set a trap, they catch men.
(Jeremiah 5:26) ​

​

i'm glad you brought this up again;
it's actually a very serious doctrinal issue with you, that you think 'prophecies' are 'snares and traps'
you're pretty much calling God wicked.

you ought to think over that; this is a lot more important than your vain imaginations -- it's something actually worth discussing with you, IMO.

​

Whoever digs a pit will fall into it
(Proverbs 26:27)​

 

[2Pillars]

The arrogant have dug pits for me​

(Psalm 119:85) ​

​

The wicked have laid a snare for me​

(Psalm 119:110)​

​

The proud have hidden a trap for me​

(Psalm 140:5)​

​

wicked men are found among My people, they watch like fowlers lying in wait; ​

they set a trap, they catch men. ​

(Jeremiah 5:26) ​

​

i'm glad you brought this up again;
it's actually a very serious doctrinal issue with you, that you think 'prophecies' are 'snares and traps'
you're pretty much calling God wicked.

you ought to think over that; this is a lot more important than your vain imaginations -- it's something actually worth discussing with you, IMO.

​

Whoever digs a pit will fall into it ​

(Proverbs 26:27)​

YES, IT WORTH DISCUSSING AND EXPOSING YOUR DISHONESTY AND DIRTY TACTICS YOU ARE EMPLOYING ON THIS DISCUSSION.

The problem is that you seem NOT reading and trying to understand what's being presented to you directly.... BUT instead, you are mixing up and convoluting the thrust of the message to fit your Religious Assumption - by providing your own MADE UP PREMISES and argue about it for fallacy of argument.

Read it again below very slowly and if you disagree, then refute it by using my quote directly! instead of making up your own premises and accuse me of disrespecting the LORD ...

That’s exactly why I described the Prophecy of Isaiah 24:18 -20 as a “Double Edge Sword” which was also set up as a Snare or Trap....to catch those willingly ignorant Unbelievers and Pretenders of this last Days about the total destruction of Adam’s Earth (dissolved; kaput; gone forever ) during the Noah’s flood - in my previous post #10.

See link Post # 10 https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/discussing-noahs-flood-mysteries-theories.184565/

Isa 24:18-20 is like a double edge sword.... and speaking of Noah’s Flood, since this is obviously the account of the 1st Earth being clean dissolved in water when the windows of their heaven were opened. It's speaking of Adam's world being completely destroyed in water during the Flood.

It is also set up as a Snare or Trap....to catch those willingly ignorant unbelievers of this last days.

Here’s the context of the snare or a trap, below.

Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. v19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. v20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe that all the inhabitants thereof (except those in the Ark)... together with the 1st Earth were totally destroyed / dissolved in the flood.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: v6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed, totally)

These verses from the Old and New Testament confirm that Adam's world, the world that then was, was totally destroyed in the Flood..... and that the heavens and earth which are now, will also be dissolved by fire.

Scoffers, of the end of time, will choose to be "willingly ignorant" of this event which Isaiah describes

 

[KnowMe]

Dear Readers,

God told Noah that He was going to destroy the violent people of Adam's Earth WITH THE EARTH. Gen 6:13

God confirm in the NT, that He SPARED NOT the old world (kosmos): 2Pe 2:5 but saved Noah and his family who were in the Ark.

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

The Ark which was covered, floated out the top of Adam's firmament into the largest Lake in the area (Lake Van) when the windows of their heaven opened and the flood gates of waters rushes in the firmament,.... as the firmament sank, it released the Ark into our world - thus, Adam’s world was totally destroyed / dissolved in the Global Flood.

The fact is, When Noah’ Ark was above the highest mountains on Adam's Earth - 150 days after the flood began Gen 7:20-24. The Ark end up on the surface of Lake Van, Turkey - in the mountains of Ararat on THE SAME 150 days after the flood began. Gen 8:4

When Noah and his family arrived on our present earth and settled down, God told Noah after the Flood that He would never again DESTROY THE EARTH in a FLOOD. Gen 9:11 Instead, God speaks of the heavens and Earth WHICH ARE NOW which will be burned 2Pe 3:7.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire

God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Adam Earth or World was surrounded with waters, above and below it… Our World is surrounded by Star Dust and has never and will never be destroyed in a Flood, but instead, reserve for fire and will be burned. ll Peter 3:10.

God bless

Yes you are correct with the earth waters, not a asteroid or meteor but the waters from with in the earth.

there is more water in the earth than on the surface

And you kind of left out the fountains of the great deep below

The Ark which was covered, floated out the top of Adam's firmament into the largest Lake in the area (Lake Van) when the windows of their heaven opened and the flood gates of waters rushes in the firmament,.... as the firmament sank, it released the Ark into our world - thus, Adam’s world was totally destroyed / dissolved in the Global Flood.

 

[KnowMe]

So Adams world totally destroyed by a global flood, hmm if Adams world was destroyed then what globe got flooded?