Faith/Works...How much faith? How much works?
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What contributors do not perceive is undeclared differences of theology.
Put simply some do not believe in the Lord changing us, or any value in morality and following Jesus.
Their position is just belief and salvation, and this belief is belief in the loosest sense. They would not
agree with Paul in
20 I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 26
Now it is a simple conclusion to realise Paul wants us to walk in purity, holiness, cleansed and made
blameless. To shine like stars, to be an example of God working in us.
7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thess 4
5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a man is an idolater--
has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God
Ephesians 5
11 Aim for perfection
2 Cor 13
Our problem is disbelief, which is part of conviction, part of beginning to walk with Jesus.
It is His work in our hearts that changes us. What we may become in Him is never limited, nor should
we limit it.
Sinless perfectionist exist everywhere, because it is easy to define oneself nicely and fail in reality.
The point Paul was making is this does not change our goal or its possibility.
And in all this language love is the key, the love that drove Jesus to the cross, the love that lives in
us through the Holy Spirit and inspires our worship.
But the enemy would want to discourage us, and say the hope in the cross is empty, the power of
God to transform is not great enough, and it is all attempting to change ourselves through our own
efforts. The truth is Jesus calls us to obey. And in obeying we change, because obeying causes us
to call to Him, to humble ourselves and see our hearts change, our focus shift and love come in.
I have seen this in my own life, too many times, and know He is Lord. But if we do not obey, we never
know the struggle and the transformation.
So I appeal simply to people, persevere, be patient, let the Lord change you, open you up, let your heart
express openly the power of God that reigns within, and show His work to others to bring hope to them.
My limitations have never defined Gods limitations. He took Saul and made him Paul, a light for the
whole body of Christ. But without a cleansed, purified heart, open and seeking the Lords ways all of this
will appear empty. But it is just sin talking and not the Lord. Have faith and believe and He will work.
Put simply some do not believe in the Lord changing us, or any value in morality and following Jesus.
Their position is just belief and salvation, and this belief is belief in the loosest sense. They would not
agree with Paul in
20 I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 26
Now it is a simple conclusion to realise Paul wants us to walk in purity, holiness, cleansed and made
blameless. To shine like stars, to be an example of God working in us.
7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thess 4
5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a man is an idolater--
has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God
Ephesians 5
11 Aim for perfection
2 Cor 13
Our problem is disbelief, which is part of conviction, part of beginning to walk with Jesus.
It is His work in our hearts that changes us. What we may become in Him is never limited, nor should
we limit it.
Sinless perfectionist exist everywhere, because it is easy to define oneself nicely and fail in reality.
The point Paul was making is this does not change our goal or its possibility.
And in all this language love is the key, the love that drove Jesus to the cross, the love that lives in
us through the Holy Spirit and inspires our worship.
But the enemy would want to discourage us, and say the hope in the cross is empty, the power of
God to transform is not great enough, and it is all attempting to change ourselves through our own
efforts. The truth is Jesus calls us to obey. And in obeying we change, because obeying causes us
to call to Him, to humble ourselves and see our hearts change, our focus shift and love come in.
I have seen this in my own life, too many times, and know He is Lord. But if we do not obey, we never
know the struggle and the transformation.
So I appeal simply to people, persevere, be patient, let the Lord change you, open you up, let your heart
express openly the power of God that reigns within, and show His work to others to bring hope to them.
My limitations have never defined Gods limitations. He took Saul and made him Paul, a light for the
whole body of Christ. But without a cleansed, purified heart, open and seeking the Lords ways all of this
will appear empty. But it is just sin talking and not the Lord. Have faith and believe and He will work.
You add conditions to the gospel. You advocate once must walk in obedience to actually be saved. Sin is transgression of the Law - and you continually harp on about "practicing" sin is a sign one is not saved. There are no conditions to the free gift. Again, God will chastise a wandering child, but will never cast them out or lose them.
And as far as reporting me for saying you are a Judaizer; It's a proper Biblical term. The same as when I said you are a hypocrite. No malice intended - they're just simple facts.
FYI, if memory serves, the only time I ever reported someone was for a physical threat. You report me because you don't like a term. It's childish - "He called me a name! I'm telling!"
Yet you soon forget that in the other thread you called us "sharks". Which brings us right back to the hypocrite charge, doesn't it?
And as far as reporting me for saying you are a Judaizer; It's a proper Biblical term. The same as when I said you are a hypocrite. No malice intended - they're just simple facts.
FYI, if memory serves, the only time I ever reported someone was for a physical threat. You report me because you don't like a term. It's childish - "He called me a name! I'm telling!"
Yet you soon forget that in the other thread you called us "sharks". Which brings us right back to the hypocrite charge, doesn't it?
Public forum, Dude. If you want a private conversation, you can always message someone. You don't make the rules as to who can respond to what here.
Oh, I'm sorry. How about I give you my phone number and you can call me when you're online so I'll only reply to your posts when you're present. Would you like that?
Oh, I'm sorry. How about I give you my phone number and you can call me when you're online so I'll only reply to your posts when you're present. Would you like that?
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So sorry dear, your profile was blocked from me. I should have picked it up from context, though. My dumb.
no worries
no dumb
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conversion is just the Beginning of our Spiritual-Lifelong-Journey', but it is also the 'Ending of our old-carnal-journey' -
now it's time for us to start following Christ's Example' -
our experience along-the-way has been,
that His shoes are not that easy to fill, never-the-less,
the Scripture tells us to;
1JOHN 2:6.
He that says he abides in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked - (new-school) {{----- }}
we are to walk' in our new God-given Faith and begin to bear Spiritual Fruits.....................
our experience along-the-way has been,
that our Spiritual Fruit was sour before it became sweet.
now it's time for us to start following Christ's Example' -
our experience along-the-way has been,
that His shoes are not that easy to fill, never-the-less,
the Scripture tells us to;
1JOHN 2:6.
He that says he abides in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked - (new-school) {{----- }}
we are to walk' in our new God-given Faith and begin to bear Spiritual Fruits.....................
our experience along-the-way has been,
that our Spiritual Fruit was sour before it became sweet.
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So sorry dear, your profile was blocked from me. I should have picked it up from context, though. My dumb.
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NO, I agree with John the apostle that if one HAS ALREADY BEEN SAVED, they will walk in obedience.
I will not apologize for believing the Bible
1 John 3- 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
The fact that you don't know that I agree with this statement shows that you have not been reading my posts with ANY comprehension
You are either stunningly ignorant or dishonest. A Judaizer is one who advocates keeping the Law for salvation. I have always denied this.
I will not apologize for believing the Bible
1 John 3- 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
The fact that you don't know that I agree with this statement shows that you have not been reading my posts with ANY comprehension
You are either stunningly ignorant or dishonest. A Judaizer is one who advocates keeping the Law for salvation. I have always denied this.
