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Faith/Works...How much faith? How much works?
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We will always be falsely accused of things, slandered, lied about, regarded as worthless,
only to be rejected, but so was our Lord.
Certain contributors will always wind up, and provoke, until something breaks, because they
have been doing it for years, and ordinary people break. And then they go away and who is
left standing. The trouble with baiting, is it implies something but never says it, hoping for
a lot plainer aggressive response so the party can then claim innocense.
I have seen this work in many situations, and the answer is just to calm down, and share as
the Lord leads. One exception I know of was Stephen with the Sanhedren, they knew it all,
and needed it pointing out, because it no longer mattered, Stephen was going to the Lord.
cc is slightly different, as it is an avenue to share and express things, and be a light.
But God bless you, and realise these poor souls are caught in their own dogma and anger,
which does not abate, but equally testifies to the trouble their souls are in.
I've tried something like this, but it doesn't seem to be successful. It was a windy day. It was windy and terrifying. So I suddenly had an idea to stop the wind. So I tried, and I wanted to know how much faith I had.It felt like training. I tried several more times, but failed. Finally something strange happened. The wind was still very strong, but the wind was not as strong as it seemed, and the branches were silent.
see, we need to training our faith.
The spiritual principle involves us all.
maybe you need to learn the principle Biblical definition of sin before you continue your lecturing of that which you know not off.
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7seasrekeyed
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seems Paul is making 2 points here...one about the law and one about new life in Christ
the law exposes sin and we know that no one can keep the law so breaking the law is inevitable, so that even if we wanted to please God by keeping His law, we would still fail. so in ourselves we cannot please God by presenting anything under law because it exposes the fact we are judged by the law and always found wanting
he says he delights in the law in the inward man...in other words he agrees with it...he would like to agree with it by keeping it but can't. his flesh or imperfect deeds, are judged and he always falls short
the solution to this enigma is agreeing with what God says, that we are not judged by the law, but are 'saved' from the law by faith in Christ. so in that way we are released from the law but bound to Christ
that would be a very brief synopsis
but it seems you were asking about addicts? I guess you mean addicted to alcohol or tobacco or similar?
I don't think God sees us in this condition the way we see ourselves..mind you I've never been an addict in the sense it is usually viewed, but all of us have our 'crutches' or whatever you want to call them on which we depend to 'deal'
I may not have understood you, but you can let me know about that I guess
I think dealing with a 'guilty conscience' is a big part of separating yourself from sin and understanding that you are who God says you are and not some unworthy person. we are all unworthy, but in no way would I think that allows for any type of attitude that is 'relaxed' towards sin, but the struggle can be debilitating
we can also get into the area of 'strongholds' that the Bible speaks of
My friend, please tell me the biblical definition of sin.
I call it breaking Gods laws as He describes.
23 You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law?
24 As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."
25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised.
Romans 2
37 "'Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the LORD.'
Leviticus 19
11 Therefore, take care to follow the commands, decrees and laws I give you today.
12 If you pay attention to these laws and are careful to follow them, then the LORD your God will keep his covenant of love with you, as he swore to your forefathers.
13 He will love you and bless you and increase your numbers. He will bless the fruit of your womb, the crops of your land-your grain, new wine and oil-the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks in the land that he swore to your forefathers to give you.
Deuteronomy 7
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7seasrekeyed
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ganging up on people and mocking and calling names is the trademark of certain people here
I am sure I don't have to point them out
some don't think all the words of Christ are relevant
some don't believe the Holy Spirit still gives gifts according to the will of God
some think they are so secure that they can say anything and God pats them on the back
every thread they appear in takes on their character and spirit and they will always appear together
In everything. It's the very reason we can be called completely holy (Hebrews 10:10, 13:12), righteous (Romans 3:22), perfect (Hebrews 10:14), and saints (Philippians 4:21-22, 1 Corinthians 1:2).
Then by your scripture twisting, Paul the apostle was not saved.
"For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."
All present tense, BigMac.
If Paul walked up to you on the street and told you to your face what he wrote, that he "serves the law of sin", that he is "carnal", that he wants to do good but instead "does evil", you would claim he wasn't a Christian at all.
Nice try, but no cigar.
Tell me, since you sin every day, week, month, and year of your life, how can you claim you don't practice sinning?
You tell me. You and I both know you commit them. Or are you going to take that final self-righteous step and claim you no longer sin?
Since all sin, despite your desperate claim that one can sin without the will being involved, is a choice, we are all slaves to it. Which is why God gave us the Law, and why Christ had to come and die. The Law shows us our sinfulness, and Jesus made atonement on our behalf.
If nothing can damn me, how could being a slave to sin do it? You keep pushing that "slave" thing without being aware that a single sin attributed to us damns us. You can commit a single sin in the course of your life, and if that sin wasn't paid for at the cross, when you die, you'll wake up in the lake of fire.
Contradict yourself much?
Sure I do. And you do to. What's hilarious is you seem to believe that claiming you didn't do it on purpose is an excuse God will accept. God will accept it the same as a human judge would. Not at all.
"Yes judge, I did rob that bank, but I did it against my will. I really didn't mean to do it. It was a robbery of omission!"
Yeaaaah, good luck with that. A single wicked thought is enough to condemn.
Mmm-kay. How to you measure up to this: " Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1 John 3:9)
Cue you saying, "He means "practicing" sin!"
Nope. It says one born of God does not sin, nor can he sin.
Looks like you're in deep trouble, BigMac.
Translation: "Don't take my own words and use them against me!"
I did. And it gets easier by the day.
I'm saved because I have no sins to pay for, Mac. Dr Hank Lindstrom said it best I think: "There is absolutely no sin to condemn me. I can't be condemned now or in the future. Christ's death became my death. And His death means I have fulfilled the demands of the Law. The wages of sin is death, and I died. The Law cannot touch a dead man. I am dead to the Law. The Law can never condemn me because I will never have a sin that needs to be paid. Christ paid it all.
If someone gives you a gift and then hands you a list that says you have to do a bunch of things, and also not do a bunch of other things, for the rest of your life - it isn't, nor can it ever be, a gift."
Oh? Have you stopped sinning, Mac?
Do tell!
Yet again, tell it to Paul.
"For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want." (Romans 7:19)
I'm saved because I have no sins to pay for, Mac. Dr Hank Lindstrom said it best I think: "There is absolutely no sin to condemn me. I can't be condemned now or in the future. Christ's death became my death. And His death means I have fulfilled the demands of the Law. The wages of sin is death, and I died. The Law cannot touch a dead man. I am dead to the Law. The Law can never condemn me because I will never have a sin that needs to be paid. Christ paid it all.
If someone gives you a gift and then hands you a list that says you have to do a bunch of things, and also not do a bunch of other things, for the rest of your life - it isn't, nor can it ever be, a gift."
Oh? Have you stopped sinning, Mac?
Do tell!
He that believes on the SON is NOT condemned.....something about being passed fro DEATH UNTO LIFE